Feminists and Liberals Gets Owned by Fake Studies

[mattytrog]

You're talking about PC culture, not the far left.

Exactly. Exactly right. It is PC culture.

However it is interesting that is only seems to be people on the far-left of the spectrum have these views.

Its only those with an axe to grind that make these non-issues.

Genuine centre, or centre-left or centre-right people couldn`t give two shiny shytes. They will see it as another cynical Advertising Agency boardroom idea to sell people more razors.

They won`t take anything else from it. I didn`t. I seen the commercial. I don`t give two sh*ts about it one way or the other. People actually have lives to live.

 

[J-Machine]

paterni

In response to the above, don't forget that maternity leave is often ~3 months of paid vacation, and can be invoked repeatedly. So potentially, a female could get paid equal money, but for less effort. My psychiatrist is out for maternity and there's a huge chunk of time she's just not available. But imagine what would happen if this wasn't an option for these people. Some will abuse it, but the system is still needed. It's things like that, however, that end up necessitating a pay difference.

paternity leave is a thing

 

[mattytrog]

Mr wall of text (me ) still has to insist, that you don't call anyone in that context freak. Not even freaky - because of potentially implied meaning.

Here is the background. Humanity in all its splendor chose in the past to take people like them, put them in freakshows, and show them around for money to uneducated morons. Often in accordance with families, who didn't care silt about them - because they might not have been "the norm".

The word freak is tainted in this context. Can't be used.

I mean, you could... But you really shouldnt. This coming from someone who rants against PC culture that ruins everything good today.

The word is just tainted, and no good in this context. (Except if you want everyone to fight from the start.)

Remind me never to serenade you with the song "Cos tonight Baby, I wanna get FREEKAY with youuuuuu".

You will send the lynch-mob after me.

 

[WeedZ]

paterni

paternity leave is a thing

Not really in the US

 

[FAST6191]

Why is alt right propaganda given a pass here?

What part of this discussion would you categorise as alt right? Granted we would probably have to have a discussion about what alt right is (it seems to vary between people, though it seems to be a racial thing at its core which I am not seeing much discussion here) but I will skip it for now.

The thread seems to have started with a discussion about how some people managed to... I can't even say slip past as much as showcase the rank awful nature of vetting in some journals, including some rather prominent ones, in various fields they labelled grievance studies (an umbrella term for a lot of different, and rather prominent, fields that traditionally would have fallen under the humanities or social sciences but variously wander out to give other fields a spin -- history has quite a few now, and geography is following, more hard science is not even without issue), up to and including gaining an award and being asked to fill a journal vetting position on the back of said "work".
It was then noted that the authors (or one at least) appears to be facing sanctions for ethical conduct because they dared to do such a thing -- for a more hard science it would have amounted to sending the journal a bit of spam and maybe costing their submissions editor 30 seconds of time, 2 minutes if they have to write an email back saying no thanks. It going through here making it a slap in the face to the general ideas of research, journals, peer review and the like (these days there is also a lot of internet stuff that some researchers/paper writers are finding intriguing but that is possibly a different topic, even if we might be said to be engaging in such a thing in this very thread), or at the very least the idea of respectability for the fields in question.

This has all verifiably happened, and is not the first time such fields have run up against science. https://reason.com/blog/2018/09/10/math-paper-censorship-quillette-pc-left for something that happened in similar timeframes.

The OP might have been a bit hyperbolic, was for my taste anyway, and I would have to question the framing used by the OP as far as writing the title, but we can still have a discussion about the events outlined above anyway.

We later went a bit off topic but such is forums. Nobody appears to have gone into "alt right" territory there either though, mind you if I skipped a paragraph somewhere then please point out where.

 

[notimp]

If the extreme right want those things, the extreme left want everybody to be the same. Everybody get a trophy. Everybody is equal. Everybody MUST have these views. If you don`t have these views, you will be prosecuted for "hate crimes". Thats what the fucking far-left want.

Let me try one thing at this point.

Lets go through LGBTQ.
L and G already fought for their societal recognition successfully - before social warriors were actually a thing.
B comes almost for free with that.
T shouldn't bother anyone too much - simply, because they are a smaller minority (0.5% of the US population) of society.

Q is mostly terminology at one point. (If you dont want to talk "sisgender" I'd actually understand that - because its an actually big departure for everyone to pick up as the new default just because...)

But looking at those groups of people. The percentage of population number they actively concern becomes smaller and smaller.

So is there a real reason, why the efforts "opposing" at least the societal acceptance of those groups grow bigger?

Not really. Its just people imagining things, that they'd classify as something "too strange", but which they will probably never have many "issues" with in their lifes.

Theres really something to be said to give societal recognition to this group as a whole - and call it progress.

The thing with taking over all the proposed definitions of "mental gender" as a societal default is a different discussion, and nothing I'd see happening too soon. But at least the recognition that those groups exist and it might be ok for them to do - seems like something thats actually ok.

 

[bodefuceta]

Don't worry about leftists, brother. Civilizations rise and fall, it's natural, they're already too brainwashed and soy-ridden to be saved. My muslim brothers will rule and save the world, step by step, slowly occupying all their lebensraum.

 

[notimp]

Remind me never to serenade you with the song "Cos tonight Baby, I wanna get FREEKAY with youuuuuu".

You will send the lynch-mob after me.

Context.

Use of the word freaky is fine pretty much any other time - here, because its derived from freak - its not.

Not so funny once you get it.. Also you used the noun first, then the adjective. I do rhetorics as well..

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Don't worry about leftists, brother. Civilizations rise and fall, it's natural, they're already too brainwashed and soy-ridden to be saved. My muslim brothers will rule and save the world, step by step, slowly occupying all their lebensraum.

Saved? Is the rapture finally coming? Oh boy...

 

[mattytrog]

Let me try one thing at this point.

Lets go through LGBTQ.
L and G already fought for their societal recognition successfully - before social warriors were actually a thing.
B comes almost for free with that.
T shouldn't bother anyone too much - simply, because they are a smaller minority (0.5% of the US population) of society.

Q is mostly terminology at one point. (If you dont want to talk "sisgender" I'd actually understand that - because its an actually big departure for everyone to pick up as the new default just because...)

But looking at those groups of people. The percentage of population number they actively concern becomes smaller and smaller.

So is there a real reason, why the efforts "opposing" at least the societal acceptance of that group grow bigger?

Not really. Its just people imagining things, that they'd classify as something "too strange", but which they will probably never have many "issues" with in their lives.

Theres really something to be said to give societal recognition to this group as a whole - and call it progress.

The thing with taking over ll the proposed definitions of "mental gender" as a societal default is a different discussion, and nothing I'd see happening too soon. But at least the recognition that those groups exist and it might be ok for them to do - seems like something thats actually ok.

I just don`t see it.

Straight = Fair play
L= Fair play
G = Fair play
B = Fair Play
T = Fair play
Q = Fair play

Its the rest of the nonsense. Pan-gender, Two-Spirit, Non-Binary etc etc... I`ve never heard such rubbish in my life. Those people who fit into one of these groups are just a bunch of social mis-fits and inadequates trying to justify why they are so "different" and deserve special treatment.

People like that... How are they going to get on in life? Anyone says "boo" to them and they will have someone on a charge for a hate crime.

 

[notimp]

Then you are fine.

Thats not becoming a societal default anytime soon. Imho. And also imho rightly so. ("The inuite have x words for snow.")

Let people have some recognition that deviations from the norm exist, and they have to acknowledge and live with that, and the rest will be defined by the majority as usual. A time, when a kindergardener learns 5 terms concerning different gender concepts, all scale based, will probably never come.

Thats probably material for that university course in perpetuity.

 

[mattytrog]

Don't worry about leftists, brother. Civilizations rise and fall, it's natural, they're already too brainwashed and soy-ridden to be saved. My muslim brothers will rule and save the world, step by step, slowly occupying all their lebensraum.

Great... Thats something to look forward to then. Our society owes you and your "muslim brothers" a lot. You have perfected time-travel. Something until now thought impossible.

You can take society back to the year 700AD in a decade. Remarkable.

 

[Chary]

Why is alt right propaganda given a pass here?

We don't back any political views. The thread may have a slightly inciting title, but the people within the thread have given their own opinions and shared their thoughts; rebuking, agreeing with, or being neutral on the OP's stance. How is that propaganda? It doesn't matter what way it leans so long as it provides a discussion that doesn't devolve into petty bickering. If the OP's title was "Alt right nazi gets rekt by feminist", it'd be the exact same case, just with a left leaning title.

 

[m_babble]

We don't back any political views. The thread may have a slightly inciting title, but the people within the thread have given their own opinions and shared their thoughts; rebuking, agreeing with, or being neutral on the OP's stance. How is that propaganda? It doesn't matter what way it leans so long as it provides a discussion that doesn't devolve into petty bickering. If the OP's title was "Alt right nazi gets rekt by feminist", it'd be the exact same case, just with a left leaning title.

Yeah, I don't know. After seeing this one a while back, I'm definitely starting to give this site the side eye.
https://gbatemp.net/threads/sjws-are-ruining-everything-we-love.505025/

 

[WeedZ]

Yeah, I don't know. After seeing this one a while back, I'm definitely starting to give this site the side eye.
https://gbatemp.net/threads/sjws-are-ruining-everything-we-love.505025/

You know those arent staff members posting these threads right?

 

[m_babble]

You know those arent staff members posting these threads right?

Yes. I'm aware. I'm asking staff members why they're allowing an amazing gaming resource to turn into a breeding ground for incel turds.

 

[KingVamp]

Free college? Guaranteed healthcare? Good old socialism.

That's socialism? Then so is all our public services that people use with no problems.

 

[wormdood]

Free college? Guaranteed healthcare? Good old socialism.

They aren`t extreme left views. They are views of normal people surprisingly enough.

If the extreme right want those things, the extreme left want everybody to be the same. Everybody get a trophy. Everybody is equal. Everybody MUST have these views. If you don`t have these views, you will be prosecuted for "hate crimes". Thats what the fucking far-left want.

it so it sounds like you reject the left because they dont disagree with the right on what is best ?. . . bro do you read what you post or just decide to roll with it no matter how stupid you sound

 

[WeedZ]

Yes. I'm aware. I'm asking staff members why they're allowing an amazing gaming resource to turn into a breeding ground for incel turds.

Because we're not going to censor based on political alignment or personal opinion, that's fascism. You also happen to be in a sub forum that is used for discussions that are often politically charged. You're also derailing so that's all I'm going to say about it.

 

[Taleweaver]

(note: I've read/skimmed over most replies. They're interesting, but I really have to start from this post rather than what was said later on).

The left are responsible for a great deal.

Someone who I know got fired from his teaching job in a college for holding a door open for a woman who was carrying some files.

He opened the door and said "Come on, Love". As all of us do in UK.

He was roasted by her for assuming her gender and dismissed for "being inappropriate" after an investigation.

I shit you not.

So, I make it a mission to be as politically incorrect as I can be. There are two genders. You either have an X chromosome or you have a Y chromosome.

I filed it under "You couldn`t make it up."

That was in 2015.

Okay...lemme start to say that I believe you. And not in a "but...<blablabla you're wrong>" setting, and I think what happened well...really happened. Heck...I can tell you of one of my former girlfriends who wanted to use her pregnancy to basically blackmail me. That didn't work (long story), but in that process I certainly learned that as far as the law is concerned, women can get a way with lots of shit.


But here's the thing I don't understand: why do you blame politically left for this? Oh, I won't deny that if women still had the same rights as...erm...before feminism was a thing*, then this wouldn't have happened to your acquaintance (or to me, for that matter). But that's the thing with equal rights: it comes with equal responsibility. And thus, with equal chance to screw it up (meaning: women can be evil, just the way as men, just the way as anyone not fitting either).

Now...I know quite some transgenders. I can ask them if you want, but TBH I already know their answer: they would condone that action by that one person. These people I know just want to get on with their lives. Forcing labels on them that they don't identify with** not only won't help, but will work counterproductive. Why traumatize people unneeded***? Do 99% of them really deserve your dismissal of their situation because 1% abused SJW-things to enact an undeserved revenge?



*I assume this was around the 1950s, but I honestly don't know how far back gender issues really go
**oh, I admit: I sort of dance around the sentences where I have to address one of 'em as masculine or feminine, because I don't know (about a month ago, I met again with one of them who now has a beard and identifies as a male, whereas a year ago, she identified as a women). But while strange, I think it's more fascinating than awkward (again: I know them. How they're doing at their job and their hobbies are far more interesting topics to me than how they identify as gender).
***make no mistake: even when they're talking casual about it, gender is of huge importance to...well...at least the transgenders I know.

 

[SG854]

I'm in two minds on the issue. And the way the OP is structured shows why: specific examples are generalized and misrepresented in order to push an opposing narrative through our throats.

Case in point: feminism and political tendencies are independent issues. Feminism is commonly classified as being a political left (liberal) ideology - probably because it has its roots there - but that isn't always true. The 'woman supremacy' that some self-proclaimed feminists preach or lobby towards, has far more in common with racism than with emancipation of the sexes.


I've read an article about these fake studies as well. And it's indeed a wake-up call to see that the adacemic world isn't unbiassed. I can recall reading how some (genuine) articles were met with such criticism that they were shot down rather than investigated. And yes, these were 'politically rightwing' articles (I can't recall details, but it was about migration culture). Especially seeing now how some other articles aren't even checked for validity, this really begs the question: is the peer review system really a tool to debunk frauds and needed to find out the truth about the world...or is it a filter for political use?

*sigh*

I still think there are still many scholars and academics who are on the level. Who might be left- or right-leaning, but understand that this should be a CONSEQUENCE of the perception of the world, and not a way to try to create a reality. In my view (I'm left-leaning myself), the "huge left bias" is mostly because most of the right ideas can't be intellectually explained. That's why (again: still IMHO) they cater more to lower class. Better educated people point out that things like xenophobia or economic inbalance are historically proven to not work.

As to Ben Shapiro...I gave the guy a chance to explain his ideas, but thus far, I've only seen him derange in throwing mud at opponents I didn't know. Of course he'll like this scandal: now he can say whatever he wants, and as soon as someone points out it's untrue, he can (and from what I've seen from him: also will) counter with "says who? Your biassed studies?".

Title was click bait. Generalization=Bad usually, except in comedy where sometimes you need to generalize for fun. People get so attached to their stupid political parties that they feel they emotional hurt, or triggered, or whatever you want to call it. People really need to let go and be individuals. It makes them biased, hence the problem on college campuses. And I have a feeling some people don’t actually care about politics, they just want to win debates for their ego. And just want to display how such good people they are and how just smart they are for social media likes.

Feminist movement grew out of Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto. It’s literally a copy and paste with the theories they push around. And they treat their hypothesis as conclusion without ever testing it.

And this whole thing is basically a religion. Hetero White men are born with original sin, the sins of their ancestors past, people that criticize social justice are blasphemers. This became their new religion after religion is on a decline. This gets into the academic world and the majority of people are sick of it. They are tired of Hollywood and media pushing their stupid narrative. Especially with the recent Gillette commercial.

You seem to be on the defensive and trying to downplay Ben Shapiro. With your of course he’ll like this scandal comment. Who wouldn’t like this scandal it’s hilarious. And points out a problem on colleges campus. It seems you’re trying to downplay him and not give him any shred of fun for whatever personal reason just because you disagree with him politically.

This is all the studies that did and didn’t make it.

https://areomagazine.com/2018/10/02/academic-grievance-studies-and-the-corruption-of-scholarship/