Hacking Discussion Team Xecuter Attempted to Bribe RetroNX Developers

[kevin corms]

Is that a bribe, or just them willing to pay a developer?

 

[Ev1l0rd]

Is that a bribe, or just them willing to pay a developer?

Bribe, since they're asking the developer to break the law.

 

[guitarheroknight]

Well thats what they wanted me to do

I dont know whats worse, the fact that they want to implement this by means of you and probably call it their own, or the fact that they seemingly know jack shit about coding. All in all, I wouldnt be surprised if they did this on their own and implement it in 2.1 or whatnot lol.

 

[ghjfdtg]

It is a bribe. He has to break laws to accept that offer.

 

[gizmomelb]

To all these people saying $6,000 isn't a lot....

Can you lend me 50 bucks? Lol

it's one of the the differences between adults and children.. hopefully something many of you grow old enough to realise.

 

[Deleted User]

Awful lot of immaturity going around in this thread, which is nothing new.

 

[gizmomelb]

Yes, let's deny the entire 40 year history of open source development. Why would people do it for free? /s

EGO

 

[Ev1l0rd]

it's one of the the differences between adults and children.. hopefully something many of you grow old enough to realise.

Relatively speaking it is not much.

byuu, the developer of higan (the most accurate SNES emulator) has sunk well over 400k in loans into making his project work.

The cemu guys rake in no less than 8k a month for their 3DS emulator. Team libretro gets about 1.4k a month.

This isn't even factoring in donations outside of patreon.

6k is fucking peanuts compared to these numbers.

Indeed, for your average person, 6k is a large number. But you have no idea about all the internal work and costs involved into this stuff. I don't either, but I can see all these estimates, and then it isn't hard to understand that what TX offered was the equivalent of a shiny pebble.

 

[m4xw]

Team libretro gets about 1.4k a month.

Which is a shame for all they do

 

[Verack]

What I find absolutely hilarious is people claiming that accepting this offer (yes, an offer, not a bribe) would be illegal. Meanwhile you're all sitting here using Switches with unauthorized modifications to play pirated games (yes, it's still pirating even if the game is 30 years old, and I seriously doubt you had your own arcade cabinet to dump the games). You also have to realize that any sort of licenses or the like DO NOT APPLY IN CHINA WHERE TX IS LOCATED.

 

[m4xw]

You also have to realize that any sort of licenses or the like DO NOT APPLY IN CHINA WHERE TX IS LOCATED.

Thats bullshit

 

[Verack]

Thats bullshit

While I do agree that it's silly, China as a nation does not recognize US copyright or patents. They've made that very clear on multiple occasions. They also do not prosecute individuals for violating US copyrights or patents.

 

[m4xw]

While I do agree that it's silly, China as a nation does not recognize US copyright or patents. They've made that very clear on multiple occasions. They also do not prosecute individuals for violating US copyrights or patents.

Nintendo can very well pursue them

 

[Verack]

Nintendo can very well pursue it

They can, to no effect. In order for patent laws to actually work, both nations must agree to them. As in, if I were in country X and you were in country Y and I violated your patent in country Y, country X would only do something about it if they acknowledged country Y's patents.

China in general has its own set of rules, and you can't fight against them simply because they ignore any sort of legal enforcement that's requested by other nations. This is why to this day China still produces things like flashcards, 1:1 knockoffs of designer purses, and so on.

 

[kumikochan]

They can, to no effect. In order for patent laws to actually work, both nations must agree to them. As in, if I were in country X and you were in country Y and I violated your patent in country Y, country X would only do something about it if they acknowledged country Y's patents.

China in general has its own set of rules, and you can't fight against them simply because they ignore any sort of legal enforcement that's requested by other nations. This is why to this day China still produces things like flashcards, 1:1 knockoffs of designer purses, and so on.

China acceded to the Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property, followed by the Patent Cooperation Treaty in 1994.[1] When China joined the World Trade Organization (WTO) in 2001, it became a member of the TRIPS agreement.
So they did agree to patent laws that we have in the Western world. In that regard it is a bit more decriminalized but the laws are still the same. If a company would sue the other company they would still win because the patent laws are the same as in the west. China as a goverment doesn't do much about it but that doesn't take away that countries or companies outside of China can't do anything about it

 

[Zumoly]

The fact that you're trying to compare what TX is doing with what you assume people to be doing shows you yourself admit there is something wrong there.
Even if they don't heed what other countries' laws say, it does not make it right in any way.

What I find absolutely hilarious is people claiming that accepting this offer (yes, an offer, not a bribe) would be illegal. Meanwhile you're all sitting here using Switches with unauthorized modifications to play pirated games (yes, it's still pirating even if the game is 30 years old, and I seriously doubt you had your own arcade cabinet to dump the games). You also have to realize that any sort of licenses or the like DO NOT APPLY IN CHINA WHERE TX IS LOCATED.

 

[Verack]

China acceded to the Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property, followed by the Patent Cooperation Treaty in 1994.[1] When China joined the World Trade Organization (WTO) in 2001, it became a member of the TRIPS agreement.
So they did agree to patent laws that we have in the Western world. In that regard it is a bit more decriminalized but the laws are still the same. If a company would sue the other company they would still win because the patent laws are the same as in the west. China as a goverment doesn't do much about it but that doesn't take away that countries or companies outside of China can't do anything about it

You basically made my point for me. China's government will basically do nothing about patent/copyright infringement. While on paper they're part of various agreements, it's only for show to benefit them on the trade side of things. The dilemma at hand is that if you do sue some Chinese company (say TX for making piracy devices for the Switch), they'd just sit there and go "haha just try to catch me". Nintendo COULD go over to China and get into a whole argument with local law enforcement, but it would likely lead to no result other than "yeah we'll look into it".

 

[kumikochan]

You basically made my point for me. China's government will basically do nothing about patent/copyright infringement. While on paper they're part of various agreements, it's only for show to benefit them on the trade side of things. The dilemma at hand is that if you do sue some Chinese company (say TX for making piracy devices for the Switch), they'd just sit there and go "haha just try to catch me". Nintendo COULD go over to China and get into a whole argument with local law enforcement, but it would likely lead to no result other than "yeah we'll look into it".

since copyright laws and patent laws are still the same they can perfectly do that. And they will win as seen with many companies also losing from Nintendo in court since the law is in their favour. Sueing a company or an organisation is free to do by anyone and the goverment of China doesn't need to be involved for that. I don't get why you're acting like the Chinese goverment has anything to do with that. When it comes to basically sueing a company it's between those 2 and the laws that apply. A goverment itself has nothing to do with it. What has the goverment of China to do with a case in court between 2 companies fighting over a patent ?

 

[comput3rus3r]

8 pages and no proof. This thread has the potential of beating the "SX-OS Crack" thread for the longest unsubstantiated claims thread.

 

[ghjfdtg]

The official libretro Twitter account isn't proof enough for you?