Hacking SX Brickcode is Worse Than Expected, Can Trigger From Use

[Halvorsen]

Pathetic that there are idiots still defending malware.

In addition to ignoring the reversing experience Mike has, and acting like he is the only person researching this. If you want more information, wait for the write up by naehrwert and Mike.

It'd be easy to assume half of you were too lazy to actually *look* for verification and just call this "meaningless speculation" because you're miffed... pathetic.

Why would you support manufacturers who steal code, implement bricking code (on the principle of it existing in the first place, regardless of if it can trigger easily or not), and profit off of piracy? Why are you shutting down users who are trying to protect you?

 

[datahoarder]

Pathetic that there are idiots still defending malware.

In addition to ignoring the reversing experience Mike has, and acting like he is the only person researching this. If you want more information, wait for the write up by naehrwert and Mike.

It'd be easy to assume half of you were too lazy to actually *look* for verification and just call this "meaningless speculation" because you're miffed... pathetic.

and then they say "oh, but enables piracy, hypocrites!" or "oh, it doesn't ALWAYS brick" or "they deserve to brick" or "not enough evidence! prove it!" as if the research has already been completed.
It's going to be hilariously sad to look back on this and call people out for it. Especially knowing they'll use any software that comes from the research.

 

[Joe88]

I find threads like this amusing...

Here we have several prominent, well respected developers pointing out that TX has stolen code, broken licenses and included badly designed "malware" into their product, and yet there are users who feel like they need to defend TX as if their life depended on it. Hexkyz does this shit for a living, there is close to none that understand crypto as well as he does in the scene.

Anyone who knows their history, or bothered to do any reading whatsoever would be able to understand why TX has no credibility or respect in the established scene.

What is exactly the "established scene"? Just the people who release stuff for free over the last few years?

TX has been around for 16 years, released tons of modchips and firmwares for those devices mainly focusing on the xbox and xbox360. Saying that TX has no credibility or respect is a little ridiculous.

 

[huma_dawii]

TX needs to remove the Brick Code... its too dangerous.

 

[xs4all]

Serious question here, I have scanned through this thread and I don't think anyone has asked yet, regardless if these info are Fact or Fiction until it's officially confirmed with evidence to back up such claim, lets put this aside for a second.
Lets say, your a legit user of the TX and your Switch gets bricked by accidental trigger, can/will TX unbrick your device? What type of brick is it? Correct me if I'm wrong, I vaguely remember reading that the brick is TX putting a password on your NAND????
At the end of the day, if TX can't unbrick your Switch, are they going to fork out the $ to get you a new unit?

 

[DeslotlCL]

Pathetic that there are idiots still defending malware.

In addition to ignoring the reversing experience Mike has, and acting like he is the only person researching this. If you want more information, wait for the write up by naehrwert and Mike.

It'd be easy to assume half of you were too lazy to actually *look* for verification and just call this "meaningless speculation" because you're miffed... pathetic.

Why would you support manufacturers who steal code, implement bricking code (on the principle of it existing in the first place), and profit off of piracy? Why are you shutting down users who are trying to protect you?

Because the problem here is exactly that. The average user wants a backup loader. If tx offers that, then there they go. If the experienced community wants to protect them, as much as you are anti-piracy, wouldnt it be better to develop a community open source backup loader?

You are doing good by informing the users, but that's the only thing you are doing... you are not protecting anyone because people will still go where the backup loader is.

 

[Ivellios]

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For the second and fourth facts, judging by TX response answer from the other thread "But obviously this is only valid if you do not use other modifications of hacks
that can damage your console. Clearly, our customers do not want or need any other software and hardware than Team Xecuter SX product" It reads like you can brick your Switch if you mess with anything that is not released by TX, so what if someone is testing a new cool homebrew and activates this bricking code? it has not happened yet but it does not mean it cant happen ever.

 

[Draxzelex]

Serious question here, I have scanned through this thread and I don't think anyone has asked yet, regardless if these info are Fact or Fiction until it's officially confirmed with evidence to back up such claim, lets put this aside for a second.
Lets say, your a legit user of the TX and your Switch gets bricked by accidental trigger, can/will TX unbrick your device? What type of brick is it? Correct me if I'm wrong, I vaguely remember reading that the brick is TX putting a password on your NAND????
At the end of the day, if TX can't unbrick your Switch, are they going to fork out the $ to get you a new unit?

In another thread where someone asked TX about their brick code

Spoiler

Hello David,

We are delighted to have now a massive SX OS userbase. We never had a single
report of a 'bricked' or damaged console caused by SX Pro or SX OS.

If people modify, hack and fiddle with their console, regardless of SX OS being
installed, they expose themselves to dangers such as 'bricking' their console.
We can't be held responsible for this.

We are a professional team, with a solid reputation for quality product and
support for many years.
We offer full commercial and technical support, updates for life and warranty on
our product, like we always did.
But obviously this is only valid if you do not use other modifications of hacks
that can damage your console.
Clearly, our customers do not want or need any other software and hardware than
Team Xecuter SX product. Please be careful who you trust when you use other
software or hardware on your valuable Nintendo Switch. Not everyone has a track
record like Team Xecuter, and they can disappear like they appeared.
Please also be careful with copies and clone of our software and hardware,
although as of today, we haven't seen any.

To sum all this up: You can be certain that you are safe when using original
Team Xecuter product such as SX OS. We not only state it, we guarantee it!

Thanks again to all our customers for their trust for the past 15 years already!

tl;dr: TX is saying they won't take responsibility for bricks. Maybe they're that confident it won't trigger during normal usage. Again, the rest of us have no idea how easy or hard it is to trigger the brick. We just know there is a possibility.

 

[Halvorsen]

What is exactly the "established scene"? Just the people who release stuff for free over the last few years?

TX has been around for 16 years, released tons of modchips and firmwares for those devices mainly focusing on the xbox and xbox360. Saying that TX has no credibility or respect is a little ridiculous.

Your first mistake is assuming that the members here are the same team. There are members from Gateway working with TX. Not naming any names or anything but garyopa owns both.
Your second mistake is assuming that years of modchips releases also mean that they are freed of any wrongdoing. If a police officer of 30 years was found to murder their wife, their credibility and "experience" means jack shit. TX has been found to implement malicious and stolen code into their software.
Period.

Because the problem here is exactly that. The average user wants a backup loader. If tx offers that, then there they go. If the experienced community wants to protect them, as much as you are anti-piracy, wouldnt it be better to develop a community open source backup loader?

You are doing good by informing the users, but that's the only thing you are doing... you are not protecting anyone because people will still go where the backup loader is.

Okay... so there is no need for backlash. If you don't want to be informed, or find it annoying, don't click on the thread. Don't shoot a messenger. Continue purchasing their software. Means nothing to me personally.

 

[tomhanks69]

Will do

Would you mind tagging or “mentioning” me in the respective thread so I can be lazy and not look for it?

 

[anhminh]

I will wait and see how this unfold. If it true there is an brickcode that can go off under normal use then it will bound to happen soon.

Still, for some people to put they trust in some shady product that gave you no warranty is pretty stupid. You know when shit happen they wouldn't be able to fix all of them right?

 

[DocAmes1980]

Hexkyz does this shit for a living, there is close to none that understand crypto as well as he does in the scene.

I'm not very familiar so I'll take you at your word that he is a cryptography genius. However, he clearly has an agenda. He wants to damage TX's bottom line and reputation. He claims this "brick code" can be triggered through normal use. Then his big revelation that is supposed to silence the doubters is that booting some obscure .bin file (which I assume is extracted from boot.dat) via hekate will brick your Switch. That's hardly normal use. If it is a concern give us an actual normal usage scenario that will trigger this brick code.

Anyone who knows their history, or bothered to do any reading whatsoever would be able to understand why TX has no credibility or respect in the established scene.

Enlighten us, please.

 

[Draxzelex]

Would you mind tagging or “mentioning” me in the respective thread so I can be lazy and not look for it?

I think you were trying to tag me so I can only assume you're looking for this: https://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo-switch-banning-hub.508710/

 

[DKB]

It's amazing how all TX needs to do is remove the brick code and it will make thousands of people just shut the fuck up. Because god damn people are riding this dude's dick about this.

 

[lukhart]

Pathetic that there are idiots still defending malware.

In addition to ignoring the reversing experience Mike has, and acting like he is the only person researching this. If you want more information, wait for the write up by naehrwert and Mike.

It'd be easy to assume half of you were too lazy to actually *look* for verification and just call this "meaningless speculation" because you're miffed... pathetic.

Why would you support manufacturers who steal code, implement bricking code (on the principle of it existing in the first place, regardless of if it can trigger easily or not), and profit off of piracy? Why are you shutting down users who are trying to protect you?

and then they say "oh, but enables piracy, hypocrites!" or "oh, it doesn't ALWAYS brick" or "they deserve to brick" or "not enough evidence! prove it!" as if the research has already been completed.
It's going to be hilariously sad to look back on this and call people out for it. Especially knowing they'll use any software that comes from the research.

The problem with both of these statements is that no one who uses SX cares about what you are pointing out.

Stolen code? Brick code to avoid the OS crack? Profit of piracy?

You both CLEARLY have no idea of what the target consumers of TX are.

 

[Halvorsen]

The problem with both of these statements is that no one who uses SX cares about what you are pointing out.

Stolen code? Brick code to avoid the OS crack? Profit of piracy?

You both CLEARLY have no idea of what the target consumers of TX are.

I know exactly what the target is. Read my response to the person who said the same thing you parroted

 

[Wiiunator]

How to flush the vibe of a hacking scene down the toilet 101:

1- have “criminals” being the first to release what the scene wants “a backup loader”

2- have a somewhat “genuine” dev getting out of his way to try to prove criminals are criminals.

To me those individuals have 2 different purposes, one wants make $, the other is out for the challenge and the glory... as if we haven’t seen this before. History repeats itself as always.

I’m gonna go enjoy my backup loader now. If I get bricked, I deserve my fate for hacking my console in first place. Don’t get too paranoid guys and try to have fun with what you’ve got

Astalavista baby

 

[datahoarder]

The problem with both of these statements is that no one who uses SX cares about what you are pointing out.

Stolen code? Brick code to avoid the OS crack? Profit of piracy?

You both CLEARLY have no idea of what the target consumers of TX are.

It sounds to me like you're making an assumption of what products I have, use, and whether or not I'm for or against piracy.
You also seem to be talking for the whole community on behalf of, well, yourself all while speaking in absolutes. Good luck with that.

 

[DeslotlCL]

Your first mistake is assuming that the members here are the same team.
Your second mistake is assuming that years of modchips releases also mean that they are freed of any wrongdoing. If a police officer of 30 years was found to murder their wife, their credibility and "experience" means jack shit. TX has been found to implement malicious and stolen code into their software.
Period.


Okay... so there is no need for backlash. If you don't want to be informed, or find it annoying, don't click on the thread. Don't shoot a messenger. Continue purchasing their software. Means nothing to me personally.

The message or the part where i say "you" isnt aimed to you, but actually talking about the actual scene developers. Im not backlashing you. I'm against tx as much as the other guy, i was against gateway too. I always prefer open source stuff, but again, you cant really blame people if the only solution for piracy is the one that is being sold...

 

[Rel]

How to flush the vibe of a hacking scene down the toilet 101:

1- have “criminals” being the first to release what the scene wants “a backup loader”

2- have a somewhat “genuine” dev getting out of his way to try to prove criminals are criminals.

To me those individuals have 2 different purposes, one wants make $, the other is out for the challenge and the glory... as if we haven’t seen this before. History repeats itself as always.

I’m gonna go enjoy my backup loader now. If I get bricked, I deserve my fate for hacking my console in first place. Don’t get too paranoid guys and try to have fun with what you’ve got

Astalavista baby

Sounds about right lol.