Hacking is there still no safe way to update games on sx os?

[matias3ds]

Just from the SX OS CFW , normal no extra precaution .
Im trimming all the games that I have and update them today ,, is something new happend I will inform you

 

[thaikhoa]

SciresM has stated that only clearing the logs with hekate isn't enough and there's still the risk that some information is stored on the console.

People are always afraid of something that they never know. Well, just don't do anything at all. Backup untouched rawnand, play games via SX OS then restore the backup nand/ play online/ update real cartridge games.

 

[Sgt. Lulz]

The NIM services only use the console's Device ID when downloading anything from the CDN, so it should be safe. But this is absolutely subject to change in the future.
Cartridge Certificates are a thing, and they're used in the authentication process for online play. Unlike in the 3DS days, Certs are cartridge-unique, game-unique (e.g. Certificates from a MK8D dump can only be used with copies of MK8D), and sent in conjunction with your Device ID. This means that you cannot play online with pirated copies of games, and getting banned will result in your console being banned as well, not just the cartridge itself.

The possibility of cartridge certificates being added to the CDN download verification process is a very real one, so whilst you're "safe" to download updates for cartridge games, don't expect this to be the case forever.

EDIT:

To clarify:
Playing online on a pirated game will get you banned.
Downloading updates for cartridge titles won't get you banned.
If they make downloading updates require a valid cartridge certificate in the future, it will get you banned.
If there are firmware modification checks or they're implemented in the future, it will get you banned.
The last one is an unknown factor, as no one has reported bans just for running SX OS or Atmosphere+Hekate and going online.
Yet.

 

[ehnoah]

The NIM services only use the console's Device ID when downloading anything from the CDN, so it should be safe. But this is absolutely subject to change in the future.
Cartridge Certificates are a thing, and they're used in the authentication process for online play. Unlike in the 3DS days, Certs are cartridge-unique, game-unique (e.g. Certificates from a MK8D dump can only be used with copies of MK8D), and sent in conjunction with your Device ID. This means that you cannot play online with pirated copies of games, and getting banned will result in your console being banned as well, not just the cartridge itself.

The possibility of cartridge certificates being added to the CDN download verification process is a very real one, so whilst you're "safe" to download updates for cartridge games, don't expect this to be the case forever.

EDIT:

To clarify:
Playing online on a pirated game will get you banned.
Downloading updates for cartridge titles won't get you banned.
If they make downloading updates require a valid cartridge certificate in the future, it will get you banned.
If there are firmware modification checks or they're implemented in the future, it will get you banned.
The last one is an unknown factor, as no one has reported bans just for running SX OS or Atmosphere+Hekate and going online.
Yet.

Someone in the Discord about LayerFS Said, the Cert even need to Match the specific Cart and. IT Just any dump, was one of the Staff there
So No clue how valid this is.

 

[Sgt. Lulz]

Someone in the Discord about LayerFS Said, the Cert even need to Match the specific Cart and. IT Just any dump, was one of the Staff there
So No clue how valid this is.

For playing online, yes, the certificate has to match its respective cartridge.
However, CartridgeCerts aren't used in the update downloading process at all.

 

[morrison22]

Does using a special DNS server help in anyway to block from detection? I have seen multiple DNS Servers available and unsure which is best to use.. thread here

 

[nesadi]

I'm not going online for a month or two. I'll wait you knuckleheads out and see how many of you get banned for doing risky things. We have zero information about what kind of information Nintendo is tracking on consoles. OFW, CFW, doesn't matter. As long as Horizon is run and we don't understand 100% of what Horizon does, there's no way to be safe.

 

[eureca]

Has there been any word from people that were banned if you can still update games on a banned console? I know you can on a banned PS3. Hopefully it is the same on a banned Switch. I know I might eventually be banned so I already accepted I won't be able to play online. Ideally I will still be able to update my games.

 

[Xen0]

Just from the SX OS CFW , normal no extra precaution .
Im trimming all the games that I have and update them today ,, is something new happend I will inform you

Sorry for Off Topic, but does that mean that trimmed games work fine?

 

[nesadi]

Sorry for Off Topic, but does that mean that trimmed games work fine?

... of course trimmed games work.

 

[pLaYeR^^]

Has there been any word from people that were banned if you can still update games on a banned console? I know you can on a banned PS3. Hopefully it is the same on a banned Switch. I know I might eventually be banned so I already accepted I won't be able to play online. Ideally I will still be able to update my games.

Yes, you can still perform game updates, even when your switch has been banned.

 

[Talha_Yilmaz]

I have a dumb question. It sounds stupid but what is the disadvantage of a ban. I mean yeah it depends on what you want to do with the switch besides CFW stuff. But if we use SX OS or other stuff always offline, isnt it KINDA the same as getting banned? I cant use the Store on both. Neither can i play online on both. Am i missing something?

 

[solitaire4eva]

I have a dumb question. It sounds stupid but what is the disadvantage of a ban. I mean yeah it depends on what you want to do with the switch besides CFW stuff. But if we use SX OS or other stuff always offline, isnt it KINDA the same as getting banned? I cant use the Store on both. Neither can i play online on both. Am i missing something?

If you ban you can't play Mario Kart or Splatoon 2 online. Also heard you can't socialize with friends like messaging. Ummmm this is weird, I don't play online and if I want to talk to people I have this thing called a cell phone.

 

[Draxzelex]

I have a dumb question. It sounds stupid but what is the disadvantage of a ban. I mean yeah it depends on what you want to do with the switch besides CFW stuff. But if we use SX OS or other stuff always offline, isnt it KINDA the same as getting banned? I cant use the Store on both. Neither can i play online on both. Am i missing something?

In the future, when there is EmuNAND support, it will allow us to use hacks/homebrew offline and play games legitimately online without worrying about banned as long as you don't do any hacks online. The ideal setup would be to keep an offline SysNAND with CFW and an online EmuNAND with whatever games you buy with your money and play online. If you get banned and want to play online now or in the distant future, you cannot reverse this process as far as we know.

 

[Talha_Yilmaz]

If you ban you can't play Mario Kart or Splatoon 2 online. Also heard you can't socialize with friends like messaging. Ummmm this is weird, I don't play online and if I want to talk to people I have this thing called a cell phone.

Yeah right? I dont play online with the Switch so i guess it does really depend on how you want to use the Switch. But still i will try to keep it unbanned even so i accidentaly downloaded the German Language pack of my Skyrim backup. Nothing happened though. I had luck i guess.

In the future, when there is EmuNAND support, it will allow us to use hacks/homebrew offline and play games legitimately online without worrying about banned as long as you don't do any hacks online. The ideal setup would be to keep an offline SysNAND with CFW and an online EmuNAND with whatever games you buy with your money and play online. If you get banned and want to play online now or in the distant future, you cannot reverse this process as far as we know.

I see. Kinda like the 3DS i guess. I will try to be under the radar till emuNAND may be possible. Someone teaserd emuNAND a few days ago . So good signs i guess.

 

[Draxzelex]

I see. Kinda like the 3DS i guess. I will try to be under the radar till emuNAND may be possible. Someone teaserd emuNAND a few days ago . So good signs i guess.

For the 3DS, it was used mostly to preserve exploits that required certain firmware to be utilized (Gateway is the prime example of this). For the Switch, it can still be used that way as there are unreleased warmboot softmod exploits that will remove the need for the jig and USB cable to load any hacks/CFW but require your Switch to under 4.1 at the very least. This alternative implementation takes advantage of the fact that EmuNAND and SysNAND don't share information with each other so its akin to owning a second Switch without paying for one except that if one gets banned, both get banned. So its imperative that whatever NAND goes online, it does not do any hack-related stuff and plays by the rules.

Also that person who teased EmuNAND made all of their work closed-source due to one of their projects being associated with piracy so its hard to tell what the progress is anymore.

 

[Talha_Yilmaz]

For the 3DS, it was used mostly to preserve exploits that required certain firmware to be utilized (Gateway is the prime example of this). For the Switch, it can still be used that way as there are unreleased warmboot softmod exploits that will remove the need for the jig and USB cable to load any hacks/CFW but require your Switch to under 4.1 at the very least. This alternative implementation takes advantage of the fact that EmuNAND and SysNAND don't share information with each other so its akin to owning a second Switch without paying for one except that if one gets banned, both get banned. So its imperative that whatever NAND goes online, it does not do any hack-related stuff and plays by the rules.

Also that person who teased EmuNAND made all of their work closed-source due to one of their projects being associated with piracy so its hard to tell what the progress is anymore.

Oh i see. Thank you this was very informative. And yeah so it was Neahrwert teasing emuNAND. I forgot it for a minute. I know that he decided to go that way. Anyways.. thanks for your reply.

 

[MattKimura]

I'm not going online for a month or two. I'll wait you knuckleheads out and see how many of you get banned for doing risky things. We have zero information about what kind of information Nintendo is tracking on consoles. OFW, CFW, doesn't matter. As long as Horizon is run and we don't understand 100% of what Horizon does, there's no way to be safe.

You can wait it out, but it most likely won't get you anywhere. We still don't even understand how the 3DS bans work exactly and what information they're capable of collecting. Unless we work for Nintendo, we never will know how to be 100% safe while using a hacked system. It's like running from the police, you can't expect to simply get away from them and live life happily ever after.
I'm not saying that bans are guaranteed to occur and for every little thing we do, but you should accept that it will always be a possibility no matter how long you decide to wait it out. Who knows you may be banned 3-4 years from now if you decided to wait that long. I just think "waiting it out for the community to figure things out" is not a good approach since we're not going to figure out any bullet proof methods (In my opinion anyways).
There's always multiple ways to get banned so game updates from illegitimate games is not the only way to be banned. I think you may as well stay offline for good, or accept a ban. Unless Nintendo decides to be lenient with their ban system and won't be as severe as we speculated.

 

[jaysea]

People are always afraid of something that they never know. Well, just don't do anything at all. Backup untouched rawnand, play games via SX OS then restore the backup nand/ play online/ update real cartridge games.

This is probably the only safe way to go untill we have emunand.

 

[willhack]

@SimonMKWii would you say it is safe to update games on SX OS I know you've been researching cdn for a while