Hacking PSA - Why the jigs are a bad idea

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Personally I think the jigs are a very bad idea and people are likely to have pin connection problems with the joycon down the road as the pins are over stressed and the plating is damaged due to fretting and scratching by materials like steel (paper clip). The pins in the switch are likely beryllium copper, or phosphor bronze (both softish but springy) with a nickle followed by gold plating (hardish but still pretty soft). They aren't going to hold up super well over the medium term.

typical connector pin properties: https://blog.samtec.com/post/strength-in-design-variable-connector-material-options/

Fretting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fretting

info on mating dissimilar metals http://www.connector.com/gold-or-tin-versus-gold-and-tin/

Granted the above advice and information is related to REAL manufacturing, and REAL product reliability. I certainly don't know how long jigs of various types will REALLY last. I am certainly however that a paper clip approach is risky with respect to bending the pins, or pushing them beyond their ability to recovery their original location.

A lot of this is subjective, and based upon "my" experience which is likely more extensive than almost anyone in these forums (though I am sure there are other 20yr EEs on here and I'm not here to measure wiener length). So take the input as you will, and happy to have discussion as I am not a mechanical engineer or material scientist!

If anything people should use bent copper or tin plated copper wire bent into a little hump so that the jig wire is the weakest material rather than with the paper clip in which the switch pins will give out first.

I did the magnetic reed switch mod personally and it works great. I did it a little differently than some of the other people who used it (only slightly different). I'll post pictures and notes and part numbers at some point if people want it.
 
Joycon rails replacement are cheap as hell, both, the one in the joycon and the one in the switch, if it breaks, just change it.
This isn't about the rails, it's about the connectors. I gotta say that I agree with him, unless you're using low guage copper wire in the Thingiverse jig or something
 
This isn't about the rails, it's about the connectors. I gotta say that I agree with him, unless you're using low guage copper wire in the Thingiverse jig or something
conectors are bundeled together on the rails on replacement parts. changing the rail is changing the conector.
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Well, I get your concern; but if jigs are a bad idea, what is a safer alternative? Can it be easily reproduced (even if it were more expensive)?
 
Well, I get your concern; but if jigs are a bad idea, what is a safer alternative? Can it be easily reproduced (even if it were more expensive)?
On 1.0.0 you can boot to RCM from os via pegaswitch.
And Atmosphere will (probably) implement deja vu/jamais vu, so you can boot from browser.
But you still might need to boot to the RCM at least once I gues.
EDIT:
Oh and you can also corrupt your nand to boot to RCM on every boot.
 
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I always suggest wire jigs to everyone. It's the safest and easiest method. You can't easily make them yourself without a 3D printer, but they're cheap online. Paperclips even if bent to fit exactly are made of thick and relatively hard metal that can wear out the pins over time. Tin foil is less likely to wear out the pins but then you have to deal with potentially having a small piece break off and getting stuck in there, and if not caught, could short out pins you don't want shorted (like pin 4 which is power)
Well, I get your concern; but if jigs are a bad idea, what is a safer alternative? Can it be easily reproduced (even if it were more expensive)?
Wire jigs are still fine. I feel like the topic name should be changed to clarify this.
 
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pin 9+10 has a "bad topic" now the jig has a "bad topic" cant wait to see reed switch bad topic, autorcm bad topic. and everything bad topic


everyone with a common sense should know the involving risk's when doing stuff it isnt designed for..
Don’t forget about
“plugging and unplugging of a usb type C will break your charger functionality”
 
anyone suggesting tin foil should automatically get leveled-down here on temp (LOL) just use the wire jig, everyone has a useless wire around the house
 
Using reed switch here but as people already stated the obvious.

Who gives a fuck about the conector breaking? WHat it would take? 1000, 5000, 20.000 insertions?!

Also rails are dirty cheap to replace (both joycon and switch ones)
 
I been telling people this from the get go. That's why fail0verflows design used the pins from a usb connector. They're actual pins and have more play in them. It doesn't take much common sense to know shoving a paperclip in your switch is a bad idea. The best way would be a reed switch or a momentary push button.
 
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I been telling people this from the get go. That why fail0verflows design used the pins from a usb connector. They're actual pins and have more play in them. It doesn't take much common sense to know shoving a paperclip in your switch is a bad idea. The best way would be a reed switch or a momentary push button.

Yeah, but it's not like Team F0F's gonna release that design (or really, not releasing anything for Nintendo consoles), so...
 

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