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Thanks a lot for your extensive explanation! It was my bad then thinking the 3DS version was a totally different title, thinking of it as being diferent like Tropical Freeze.
The compatibility page of Citra shows an old entry regarding the compatibility of Paper Mario Sticker Star (June 2017). Is there any recent reviews regarding how this game runs now on Windows?
Although not everyone loves Sticker Star(including me), but it does boot on Citra normally but with minor graphical glitches. But anyways, I've only played the intro of the game and do not care to play more as I regret buying it in the first place.
Anyways, anyone working on a microphone support for Citra?
You know a game is bad when not even a single troll will vote for it for the lulz. Its only redeeming quality was ending the divide on Super Paper Mario.
I asked this in the game's lobby but I only got the answer of a pretty clueless guy, so I'll try asking it here instead.
Do the current multiplayer capabilities of Citra allow you to use Pokémon Omega Ruby's Wonder Trade?
Do the current multiplayer capabilities of Citra allow you to use Pokémon Omega Ruby's Wonder Trade?
Nope because Wonder Trade only works when you are connected to the internet(not from your PC wifi or LAN).
As what I observed, Citra pretty much emulates IR Connection instead of Internet Connection. You can still get Acquaintance without the internet on 3DS by pointing two systems to an infrared sensor. That's why Online Mode such as Smash 3DS won't work(and also it requires a Nintendo Network ID to enter online to most 3DS games).
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Thats not IR that's peer to peer wireless. Citra emulates the local peer to peer wireless functionality over the internet. This is still using WiFi, but not connecting to Nintendo servers wifi. It'd be a lot more work to support Nintendo online play but wouldn't be near as much as what we did for the big multiplayer release.
Anyway, big things coming up soon. It's been a little while since the last time we got hyped for a big release, but let's just say phantom has been hard at work on making citra fast. And I mean faster than fast. Wwylele linkmauve1 b3n3o and I all have some really cool projects, with wwylele putting in tons of time to fix one of citras most requested bug fixes. He's working on low level emulation for sound, which should fix the problems that pokemon x and y have in addition to any other "pipe 3" audio error that people complain about without realizing how much work it'll take to fix it. Be glad to expand on anything I said here if you have any questions.
Ah I see. Sorry for the misconception.
But yeah. Unable to connect to Nintendo server wifi means that it requires a Nintendo Network ID, correct?
Also, hype for pipe3 fix. Also, anyway to fix DKC Returns?
No shared_font.bin, you can't play Pokemon X and Y. But if you got your hands on that copyrighted file, ofc it will play.
But if you don't have the file, you need a 3DS to dumped the file. Same goes to the game itself. No piracy though.
The problems that Pokémon X/Y have are freezes, are you saying that those will be fixed when LLE audio is implemented? That's pretty cool!
we already tried vertex loader jit. turns out its memory bound, we only got like 1% speed boost out of it :/ no, phantom has been hard at work on moving the entire graphics backend to run in gl. currently we load verticies, run vertex and geometry shaders, and do primitive assembly on the cpu. phantom has moved all these stages to gl, which as every dev could tell you, is a ton of hard work. the tricky one is converting pica shaders into glsl, as the pica shaders have a ton of very strange edge cases involved there, and dumb flow control that glsl doesn't have (like goto). the first attempt at the conversion, phantom ended up making it work, but it was slower than the software renderer. I think they're on the 3rd attempt at this, and its now much much faster for people with dedicated gpus, and only a bit faster for people with older or integrated gpus. we did some performance testing on an older version of their code and for some games it was a large speed boost and others it was a small speed boost (it was cool to see the gpu at 100% usage in citra for a change!). this change still got some ways to go, but we are all very excited for it
No one around these parts seem to follow whats talked about in the development channels, so i figured i'd pass it along. As always, no promises until its actually released and yadayadaas for the pokemon x stuff. please understand that we can only *guess* that dsp lle will fix it. Lets talk about why we think so. A few months ago, wwylele wanted to find out if audio was really the cause of the problems in the game, so he worked out an idea. But first, you have to understand how audio works in citra. Throw out any talk you might have heard about "AAC audio" or "pipe3" as those are symptoms of the problem, and not a root cause.
Back in early 2016, merry took on the task to reverse engineer how games usually communicate with the DSP (digital signal processor: aka the hardware responsible for processing audio) and found that the dsp works like a very specialized cpu. It has instructions that it processes, but these instructions are special and aren't like anything you see on a computer. You pass these instructions to the DSP in a payload known as a firmware, which will tell the DSP how to process the data. Most games use the same firmware that the home menu uses, and for those out there that put some emulators on their 3ds, they may remember that they had to dump the home menu firmware to get audio for their emulator. Because this firmware is so common, instead of writing code to interpret firmwares (LLE) merry wrote code that does the same thing that the home menu firmware does (HLE). This is *really cool* as she spent a ton of time recreating how the firmware works by just watching what it does, and citra got audio that works for almost every game... but then there are some games that use a custom firmware.
So back to where we started, wwylele wanted to find out if X and Y were really crashing because of audio, so he got the idea to take the firmware from the home menu, and patch it into pokemon x, and then launch pokemon x on the 3ds. Any guesses on what happened? You got it. It crashes in the exact same spots as citra. And its missing the same sound effects as citra. Audio issue confirmed! So theres two ways to solve this: 1) add a new HLE audio for every custom firmware you can find in the wild or 2) emulate how the DSP actually works and interpret the firmware. You can probably tell why we don't want to do the first one, it means tons of effort reverse engineering a firmware to find out how it works, and we don't know how many custom firmwares are used in the wild. Wwylele has made tons of progress on LLE though it'll still be quite some time before its useable in citra. Additionally, we have no clue how fast or slow it'll be, and we have no guarentee that x and y will work either. But progress!
(apologies if i got some technical errors in the post, i'm not the most skilled at 3ds audio stuff)
yeah this emulator is still quite unoptimized it requires better specs then dolphin and the 3ds is weaker then the game cube.
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@jroweboy interesting stuff. I have one question related to Pokemon X and Y.
Maybe you've seen my old post on the old Citra Forums site. Back in September 2016, I tested Pokemon X and tried to compare Diantha's battle in the Pokemon League on two builds(obviously the Official and the Unofficial). From what I've analyzed, the unofficial build with the minor audio fix in Pokemon X and Y bypass Pokemon's ability while the Official didn't.
January 6, 2018, I've tested Official Canary and Unofficial Build and turns out that the Unofficial can bypass Pokemon's ability WITHOUT the minor audio fix for Pokemon X and Y. I dunno what makes that fix the Pokemon's ability in X and Y, but it sure is interesting. I gotta say, I believe that HLE won't be the solution for it. It could be something else. But meh. Give it a try on updating HLE.
I will try test the latest Canary build and see if it will also fix the problem.
Maybe you've seen my old post on the old Citra Forums site. Back in September 2016, I tested Pokemon X and tried to compare Diantha's battle in the Pokemon League on two builds(obviously the Official and the Unofficial). From what I've analyzed, the unofficial build with the minor audio fix in Pokemon X and Y bypass Pokemon's ability while the Official didn't.
January 6, 2018, I've tested Official Canary and Unofficial Build and turns out that the Unofficial can bypass Pokemon's ability WITHOUT the minor audio fix for Pokemon X and Y. I dunno what makes that fix the Pokemon's ability in X and Y, but it sure is interesting. I gotta say, I believe that HLE won't be the solution for it. It could be something else. But meh. Give it a try on updating HLE.
I will try test the latest Canary build and see if it will also fix the problem.
It's because it's a handheld, not home console. Also, Dolphin Emulator takes years to optimize Gamecube games back then.
Dose wwylele are anyone else have A Game Patcher for ?
"so he got the idea to take the firmware from the home menu, and patch it into pokemon x,"
Then I can Record and Post on a real 3ds doing this..
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Maybe how to guild on "take the firmware from the home menu"
Maybe it's working on some sort of "dspfirm"
https://github.com/Cruel/DspDump/blob/master/source/main.c
Some home menu/brew apps have no audio without "dspfirm.cdc" dump of it, PS: Like exp, "Freeshop has no Eshop Audio without it"
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