Net Neutrality: what it is, and why you should care

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UPDATE: It's been voted for repeal. The FCC took Net Neutrality to a vote, and it was 3-2, in favor of repeal. This doesn't mean overnight upheaval, but things will certainly change, for better or worse, in due time.
If you've been on the internet at all the past week, there's a high chance that you've heard of something called "Net Neutrality", and you've also likely heard that there might be huge changes to your usage of the internet entirely. This post serves as a quick information briefing on what Net Neutrality is, what could happen if it's repealed, and the current events going on regarding it, and just general visibility to let the community in general be informed.

What is this Net Neutrality thing?



The basic definition of network neutrality is simple: all internet traffic is considered and treated equally. It was established just a bit under three years ago, in February 2015. It prevented companies like Comcast Xfinity and AT&T U-verse from speeding up, or slowing down certain sites based upon content. If you remember, back in July 2017, mobile provider Verizon admitted to targeting Netflix traffic, and specifically throttling it, negatively affecting customers' use of Netflix. Going back to 2014, there were also issues with Comcast customers, and, that's right, Netflix users, as connections to Netflix were notoriously slow. Netflix then entered a legal deal with Comcast, in order to have Netflix connections be faster than they previously were. The 2014 incident was pre-net neutrality, and shows that before the law was enacted, certain sites like Netflix were indeed slowed, and had to specifically bargain with large telecommunication monopolies like Comcast to get fair speeds out to their customers.

In April 2017, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Ajit Pai, revealed that he had plans to repeal net neutrality. It's worth noting that Pai was once the Associate General Counsel of Verizon Communications, an incredibly high up position with an ISP, who we've stated before as having throttled websites in the past.

Pai's statements on the matter included saying such things as "[the government] would be able to stop micromanaging the internet" and that the FCC and internet service providers would simply have to be "transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy a service plan that's best for them". Shortly after, Comcast began vocally supporting these statements, claiming that government regulation of the internet has been harming innovation and investments of Comcast. David Cohen, the company's Chief Diversity Officer, said that "customers would be clearly informed on our practices [...] Comcast maintains that it does and will not block, throttle, or discriminate against lawful content".

Within the movement for repealing net neutrality, also comes with power being given to the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC would then have the ability to legally charge internet service providers that were not made clear to customers.

You may notice, that within any of the claims made by Pai or Comcast, that equal traffic was never made the focus, instead putting emphasis on making sure these monopolies must be clear and transparent about what they do, but never laying down any solid rules about what they need to be transparent about or why. And, of course, if the FTC were to go after AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, Time Warner, or other assorted companies for not being transparent, these legal cases would find themselves taking years to make their way to court, allowing for them to have their way with their customers until a definitive legal ruling. Therein lies the first batch of unease and controversy with the repeal.

In short, net neutrality is a fairly new regulation, which allows for equal traffic between all sites while using the internet. The chairman of the FCC and former higher-up of Verizon wants to repeal it, however. This would allow less government interference with ISPs, but would also allow those ISPs to do what they wish, so long as they're "transparent".

Does repealing Net Neutrality have any benefits?


Spoiler alert: not really

From the inception of the internet, and up until 2015, Americans have gone without net neutrality. Ajit Pai claims that should we not have net neutrality anymore, more rural areas would be able to have more companies and providers, and it would allow for more competition and choice for the consumer. However, these smaller companies would also have to fight it out with established services, with years of experience and infrastructure refinements.

As a side note, I've spent thirty minutes researching a potential "pro" argument. I've not found many that seem reasonable. I've listed in the spoiler tag below arguments from other websites and blogs.

Green Garage Blog: While net neutrality allows for freedom of speech, the downside is that almost anything can be posted to the internet. This means that the cruelest or insensitive information imaginable can end up on the internet, and as a result, it can cause a lot of problems from people that otherwise wouldn’t be prone to being under the microscope of criticism. This means that people can post cruel, intimidating, or other harassing messages and often get away with it thanks to free speech legislation. So it can be a very toxic environment for a lot of people to put up with.

Vittana: Reduced income from internet uses limits infrastructure improvements.
There are certain businesses and high-use individuals who consume large amounts of bandwidth every month. If net neutrality was removed, these high-level consumers would be asked to pay more for what they consume. This added income could then be used to upgrade the infrastructure of each internet service provider, making it possible for advanced fiber networks to be installed in many communities.

AEI: But in many instances, fast lanes, zero-rating, and the like benefit customers. In separate research, both former FCC Chief Economist Michael Katz (with Ben Hermalin) and I (with Janice Hauge) showed that fast lanes benefit small content providers in their attempts to compete with established industry leaders. AEI scholar Roslyn Layton has shown that elderly and low-income consumers benefit from zero-rating services.

Basically, the only benefit would be if America's current economy wasn't dominated by monopolistic ISPs. Below is an interview with Ajit Pai, showing his perspective.


Scrapping these rules, Pai told Reason's Nick Gillespie, won't harm consumers or the public interest because there was no reason for them in the first place. The rationales were mere "phantoms that were conjured up by people who wanted the FCC for political reasons to overregulate the internet," Pai told Gillespie. "We were not living in a digital dystopia in the years leading up to 2015."

If left in place, however, the Title II rules could harm the commercial internet, which Pai described as "one of the most incredible free market innovations in history."

"Companies like Google and Facebook and Netflix became household names precisely because we didn't have the government micromanaging how the internet would operate," said Pai, who noted that the Clinton-era decision not to regulate the Internet like a phone utility or a broadcast network was one of the most important factors in the rise of our new economy.

Pai also pushed back against claims that he's a right-wing radical who's "fucking things up."

"[I ascribe to] the very radical, right-wing position that the Clinton administration basically got it right when it came to digital infrastructure."


What happens if/when this gets repealed, and what does this mean for you?



The worst part of this, is that there's no definitive answer of what WILL happen, only what CAN happen. What has people concerned, though, is the potential things that larger ISPs can do with this new power, should net neutrality be repealed. Internet service providers could slow access to specific sites, and speed up others, in theory, others specifically being sites who pay ISPs for faster access, and those partnered or in contracts with ISPs. Websites like Google, Amazon, Reddit, Etsy, Netflix, and many more have all broadcast their support of net neutrality, stating that without these rules in place thanks to net neutrality, internet providers would become gatekeepers to the internet, restricting what customers can see. Without definitive government restrictions, these companies could be free to split access to the internet into packages, like cable TV, indeed making true on the intention of lowering the cost of internet access, but also making it more difficult and expensive to see all of the internet, as you can right now.

Likely, what will happen, though everything is up in the air, is that certain ISPs will utilize what's called "fast lanes" and "zero rating". Fast lanes are sort of like what we talked about at the start, with Netflix and Comcast. Currently, these fast lanes and zero rating are used with mobile phone data. AT&T customers can watch DirecTV (owned by AT&T) via their mobile data, without it counting towards their monthly cap. These rules could be applied to home internet as well; if you're a Comcast user, and you want to watch Hulu (owned by NBC-Universal-Comcast), maybe your connection to Hulu will be lightning fast, thanks to these theoretical fast lanes, and they won't go towards your Comcast monthly 1 Terabyte home cap. But what if you want to watch Netflix? Either Netflix will have much lower picture quality, or take a longer time to connect to. And if Netflix pays a fee, or gets into a contract once again with Comcast, then that potentially means that Netflix's increased costs move down to the consumer, who also now has to pay more for a service as well.

What can we do?



The only thing left to do is let your voice be heard. Social media has exploded without people decrying the impending repeal of net neutrality, and the negatives that it would entail, to the point of where the majority of Reddit has been plastered with net neutrality posts.

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The FCC will take the repeal to a vote on December 14, 2017. It is highly predicted that the repeal will pass, and net neutrality will come to an end. Millions have taken to the site "battleforthenet" and "callmycongress" to contact their local representatives and congressmen in order to show that American citizens don't want net neutrality destroyed.

You can learn more at the links below. Hopefully this is helpful in describing what net neutrality is, and why it shouldn't be taken away.

:arrow:Techcrunch: These are the arguments against net neutrality and why they're wrong

:arrow: Extra Credits: What a closed internet means

:arrow:Phillip DeFranco: The Internet is under attack

:arrow:Save the internet: What you need to know


:arrow:Ars Technica: RIP net neutrality
 
Neither is the freedom of speech or the freedom to vote. You could live a whole life without these freedoms, right? A right is a legal/moral entitlement to be able to do something- even if it isn't required to live at all.
how does this tie in to the ridiculous misconception that Ajit Pai's proposal is killing net neutrality despite specifically bolstering it?
 
Neither is the freedom of speech or the freedom to vote. You could live a whole life without these freedoms, right? A right is a legal/moral entitlement to be able to do something- even if it isn't required to live at all.

Yes, but net neutrality is not a legal nor is it a moral entitlement
 
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No, this isn't stuff that "will happen"
This is stuff that could literally have happened in the past 3 years -- stuff that, to a certain extent, DID.
But I'm the misinformed shill. Gotcha lmao.
Are you seriously calling me a shill for the FCC? After I posted all those Ajit Pai memes and you whined about them? The FCC isn't even for-profit like the ISPs you want to hand control to.

And that stuff happened much worse prior to those three years, prior to NN. You apparently want it to be much worse again. Can't wait until you gloat about the 56K Netflix speeds you're getting.

how does this tie in to the ridiculous misconception that Ajit Pai's proposal is killing net neutrality despite specifically bolstering it?
How does removing all regulation and letting the ISPs do whatever the fuck they want bolster Net Neutrality? It's this kind of obvious lie that makes people think you're a shill for Comcast or TWC.
 
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The fact people would resort to violence over this is fucking immature. Violence is not justified in these scenarios.

That's humans for you. We live in the same world where if someone is bullied enough, they shoot up a school. That's why I'm saying that people may die over this shit. That's farfetched, but considering how easy some people get weapons these days..eh, maybe it might not be.
 
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Yes, but net neutrality is not a legal nor is it a moral entitlement
Fundamental rights imo are not based off of what the law says. Living in Soviet Russia wouldn't change that people have a fundamental right to freedom of speech. I believe that net neutrality, which obviously less important than speech as a whole, is also a fundamental right whether the law says so or not.
 
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Are you seriously calling me a shill for the FCC? After I posted all those Ajit Pai memes and you whined about them? The FCC isn't even for-profit like the ISPs you want to hand control to.

And that stuff happened much worse prior to those three years, prior to NN. You apparently want it to be much worse again. Can't wait until you gloat about the 56K Netflix speeds you're getting.
When did I say you were a FCC shill? I don't believe I said that, only implied that you yourself were a shill. For whomst? Not sure. Don't care.
I want it to be better, which is what I've advocated for this whole time. I'm just stirring the pot since you don't read and it's funny. You haven't pointed out anything from the document that says it will be detrimental or even get rid of Net Neutrality as a concept, only that "w-well the stuff you say that's beneficial is actually fake!" to which I can just say, non argument.
 
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The fact people would resort to violence over this is fucking immature. Violence is not justified in these scenarios.
People riot and kill over stupid shit all the time.
 
People riot and kill over stupid shit all the time.
Oh don't I know it. A lot of them tarnish the movements they claim to represent. I won't name any specific movements lest I turn this thread into a bigger shitheap than it's becoming, but rioters and generally violent people who do shit in the name of movements or as protest tend to fuck up the message of the protest itself. I think the same thing will happen here. If any idiot gets the bright idea to be violent over this proposal I think it would send a clear message that the side against the FCC is not mentally stable -- even if they are.
 
To be fair, the law still needs to get past Congress. It's not entirely dead yet.


This won't change anything in America internet-wise. Like @Chary wrote, Americans have gone without it from the early 90s to 2015 and the world wasn't destroyed by ISPs. The lack of net neutrality is rather like capitalism. It takes the control from a central government and gives it to the corporations.

Oh, and @TheKingy34 net neutrality isn't a right because it isn't required to live. If we didn't have the internet at all, would people die? No. They'd go on with their lives.
Oh, people would manage. Eventually. But, as it stands now, people are largely dependent on the internet for a variety of purposes, such as receiving federal student aid and paying bills. At this rate, what with all the talk about the Internet of Things, I wouldn't be surprised if the internet gets even more integrated into society.

Also, by your logic, freedom of speech isn't a right, because it isn't required to live. Are you asking people to just go on living if our right to free speech gets taken away?


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INTERNET STATUS:
MADE GREAT AGAIN

FCC: LIKE A BILLION
SHIT ISPS: 0 LOL
Weren't you the one who was just complaining about the overuse of memes in this debate?

Also, and I know I'm opening quite the can of worms by starting this argument, but, in your Imgur screenshot, you note how the FTC/FCC can regulate unfair degrading of internet speeds for certain sites?

If ISPs reached agreements to unfairly block, throttle, or discriminate against Internet conduct or applications, these agreements, would be, per se, illegal under antitrust laws.

I can only imagine a situation where ISPs don't intentionally throttle any websites, but allow some to receive faster speeds than others, then deliberately lower their average internet speed to the point where their "base" speed is as slow as two pandas fucking. Because people will have a higher tolerance for the sites with faster speeds, they'll fail to have any patience for the regular sites on the rest of the web. It's not exactly "throttling," per se, but it's a possible loophole some ISPs might (read: probably will) abuse, to the detriment of smaller and disadvantaged sites.
 
When did I say you were a FCC shill? I don't believe I said that, only implied that you yourself were a shill. For whomst? Not sure. Don't care.
Who the fuck would I be "shilling" for in this argument though? Cheerios?

I want it to be better, which is what I've advocated for this whole time. I'm just stirring the pot since you don't read and it's funny. You haven't pointed out anything from the document that says it will be detrimental or even get rid of Net Neutrality as a concept, only that "w-well the stuff you say that's beneficial is actually fake!" to which I can just say, non argument.
I'm saying the stuff you think is beneficial is harmful, not fake. After removing Title II regulations it basically just has ISPs self-regulating, and that will never work out.
 
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Who the fuck would I be "shilling" for in this argument though? Cheerios?


I'm saying the stuff you think is beneficial is harmful, not fake. After removing Title II regulations it basically just has ISPs self-regulating, and that will never work out.
Kelloggs you damn cornflake. Sorry, I had to say that. Continue.
 
This won't change anything in America internet-wise. Like @Chary wrote, Americans have gone without it from the early 90s to 2015 and the world wasn't destroyed by ISPs. The lack of net neutrality is rather like capitalism. It takes the control from a central government and gives it to the corporations.

Oh, and @TheKingy34 net neutrality isn't a right because it isn't required to live. If we didn't have the internet at all, would people die? No. They'd go on with their lives.
Considering a good number of Companies this day and age require the internet just to fill out an application (even for minimum wage jobs) I don't whether you are completely ignorant of these facts or you just don't give a shit because it doesn't affect you personally.

In all actuality, if internet providers raise prices, then they will lose customers. When they lose customers they will lower the prices and get them back...

Not if they are the only ones that provide services for that area, which often times people are stuck with or do without. I know people that pay 4x more than me for their internet that has worse speeds than mine because it is literately the only service they can get in their area. A lot of people are just going to have to eat if this fully goes through, but of course idiots that already have it easy and probably will never have to worry about don't give a shit because it doesn't or won't affect them.

Companies have already proven time and time again that they can and will do things just to stick it to their customers and buy out the competition so they are the only ones around, because all that matters at the end of the day is money.


But hey, I guess corporate shills exist for a reason.
 
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Fundamental rights imo are not based off of what the law says. Living in Soviet Russia wouldn't change that people have a fundamental right to freedom of speech. I believe that net neutrality, which obviously less important than speech as a whole, is also a fundamental right whether the law says so or not.

The thing is, net neutrality is not interconnected with any rights we have. Whether free speech or otherwise. We have been able to do that without net neutrality perfectly fine. It will not impact us. If you are this attached to the internet, then you need to take a good look at yourself. I go to a university, and there they censor out pages they deem to be "non-conductive to a learning environment". There's nothing preventing people from doing that now, so why is there such a huge fuss over it now?
 
Who the fuck would I be "shilling" for in this argument though? Cheerios?


I'm saying the stuff you think is beneficial is harmful, not fake. After removing Title II regulations it basically just has ISPs self-regulating, and that will never work out.
Well when you show me something harmful instead of "everything you believe is harmful" I'll take you seriously but so far it's sourceless, citationless comments and shitflinging. I'd expect this kind of arguing style from a teen but not from someone calling himself an adult.
 
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Considering a good number of Companies this day and age require the internet just to fill out an application (even for minimum wage jobs) I don't whether you are either you're completely ignorant of these facts or you just don't give a shit because it doesn't affect you personally.



Not if they are the only ones that provide services for that area, which often times people are stuck with or do without. I know people that pay 4x more than me for their internet that has worse speeds than mine because it is literately the only service they can get in their area. A lot of people are just going to have to eat if this fully goes through, but of course idiots that already have it easy and probably will never have to worry about don't give a shit because it doesn't or won't affect them.

Companies have already proven time and time again that they can and will do things just to stick it to their customers and buy out the competition so they are the only ones around, because all that matters at the end of the day is money.


But hey, I guess corporate shills exist for a reason.
Yeah, I was thinking about that after I posted that. I don't even have internet at home so I don't know what I am mad about.
 
@SonowRaevius I meant that the lack of internet wouldn't affect us. People would actually have to go up to a business they wanted to be employed at and ask for an application, they would actually have to talk with people in real life. We wouldn't have kids killing themselves due to cyber bullying.
 
And here I am thinking that people getting outraged didn't stop Trump from being president, so getting outraged now is probably not going to help. The best you can do is look into exactly what's going to change.

For example, the legislation puts the FTC in charge of the internet, correct?


To quote Wikipedia, the FTC includes these parts:
Bureau of Consumer Protection[edit]
The Bureau of Consumer Protection's mandate is to protect consumers against unfair or deceptive acts or practices in commerce. With the written consent of the Commission, Bureau attorneys enforce federal laws related to consumer affairs and rules promulgated by the FTC. Its functions include investigations, enforcement actions, and consumer and business education. Areas of principal concern for this bureau are: advertising and marketing, financial products and practices, telemarketing fraud, privacy and identity protection, etc. The bureau also is responsible for the United States National Do Not Call Registry.
Under the FTC Act, the Commission has the authority, in most cases, to bring its actions in federal court through its own attorneys. In some consumer protection matters, the FTC appears with, or supports, the U.S. Department of Justice.

Bureau of Competition[edit]
The Bureau of Competition is the division of the FTC charged with elimination and prevention of "anticompetitive" business practices. It accomplishes this through the enforcement of antitrust laws, review of proposed mergers, and investigation into other non-merger business practices that may impair competition. Such non-merger practices include horizontal restraints, involving agreements between direct competitors, and vertical restraints, involving agreements among businesses at different levels in the same industry (such as suppliers and commercial buyers).
The FTC shares enforcement of antitrust laws with the Department of Justice. However, while the FTC is responsible for civil enforcement of antitrust laws, the Antitrust Division of the Department of Justice has the power to bring both civil and criminal action in antitrust matters.

Bureau of Economics[edit]
The Bureau of Economics was established to support the Bureau of Competition and Consumer Protection by providing expert knowledge related to the economic impacts of the FTC's legislation and operation.

So based on this alone it sounds like the FTC may have the power to:
1. Define and enforce what is acceptable and unacceptable for advertising (including pop ups, video ads, user tracking and data mining ads, and those annoying ads that play sound even when not the active tab)
2. Penalize companies that scam you into purchasing software that is nonfunctioning or malicious
3. Investigate algorithmic content that uses shock value and false claims to obtain more vies than genuine or truthful content.
4. Investigate companies unfairly restricting or limiting access to content other than their own (such as Netflix or other news sources)
5. Allow [and require] companies to filter out data that is clearly fraudulent or malicious (such as DDoS attacks, spam websites, etc)
6. Penalize companies that mine user data that the consumer has not consented to providing
7. Acknowledge and eliminate regional ISP monopolies and encourage additional competition


In the end yes your Netflix subscription may go up, but not exorbitantly so. However, websites such as Facebook and Twitter will be severely impacted and may be forced to shut down if they cannot find a way to tackle their more controversial content. ISPs will definitely do content filtering, but those filters will have a fatal impact on malicious advertisements and fraudulent websites.
 
The thing is, net neutrality is not interconnected with any rights we have. Whether free speech or otherwise. We have been able to do that without net neutrality perfectly fine. It will not impact us. If you are this attached to the internet, then you need to take a good look at yourself. I go to a university, and there they censor out pages they deem to be "non-conductive to a learning environment". There's nothing preventing people from doing that now, so why is there such a huge fuss over it now?
That entirely depends what you consider to be our inherent rights. I consider this to be one of them, so therefore it is connected to my rights.
 

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