Hacking Decrypt9WIP vs GodMode9?

[Temptress Cerise]

Like you siad there are few reasons to use emunand, still there are people who updated to B9S 1.2 and still use emunand, who later on maybe want to switch there emunand to sysnand.
(I bet more and more emunand users will switch in the end)

So how to do? (this is in theory, so don't take me on it)

- Make an EmuNAND backup with GM9
- Go to \gm9out folder on your SD, select nand.bin and press A button
- NAND image options
- Restore SysNAND (safe)

In theory this should restore your EmuNAND backup to Sysnand and keeps your B9S intact?

Or do you need to do some preparation first to be sure B9S will still be there once you got rid of EmuNAND
For example:
- Do i first need to copy boot.firm to "EMUNAND CTRNAND" and Luma folder to "EMUNAND CTRNAND/rw" (Like we had to do to "SYSNAND CTRNAND)
- Then make an EmuNAND backup
- Then restore this NAND.bin to SysNAND

There's already a section in 3DS.Guide that covers people who want to move their EmuNAND to SysNAND.
Link: https://3ds.guide/move-emunand

And it doesn't involve doing anything hacky like you mentioned in scenario 2, nor making a NAND backup of it, as mentioned in scenario 1.

 

[OrGoN3]

Like you siad there are few reasons to use emunand, still there are people who updated to B9S 1.2 and still use emunand, who later on maybe want to switch there emunand to sysnand.
(I bet more and more emunand users will switch in the end)

So how to do? (this is in theory, so don't take me on it)

- Make an EmuNAND backup with GM9
- Go to \gm9out folder on your SD, select nand.bin and press A button
- NAND image options
- Restore SysNAND (safe)

In theory this should restore your EmuNAND backup to Sysnand and keeps your B9S intact?

Or do you need to do some preparation first to be sure B9S will still be there once you got rid of EmuNAND
For example:
- Do i first need to copy boot.firm to "EMUNAND CTRNAND" and Luma folder to "EMUNAND CTRNAND/rw" (Like we had to do to "SYSNAND CTRNAND)
- Then make an EmuNAND backup
- Then restore this NAND.bin to SysNAND

Anyway these are some things that need to be considered for a more indepth test with GM9

I don't want to use D9WIP either for that,cause i don't know if D9 supports keeping B9S/sighax when doing an emunand to sysnand restore

I just don't want to end with a sysnand 11.4 system with no B9S on it,
you gotta understand, i want to be 100% sure when doing an emunand (11.4) to sysnand transffer on a B9S v1.2 system, i don't end with a system with No B9S on it
(Yeah i know the guide said about doing a transffer now before proceeding, but it already had v1.0 and that was before the guide was updated with that part

Anyway, D9WIP was more straight forwxard for noobs who didn't want to readup to much, but i can see it's getting outclassed by GM9
Once you readup on GM9 it has indeed more possibilitys and is mor elike a real file browser should be, press file and handle it, move/copy etc...
You could compare it to Total Commander on Windows PC's without the double windows

I'm curious. What can D9WIP do with emuNAND that GM9 can't? I ask because I see nothing on the list of what D9WIP can do that GM9 can't (https://pastebin.com/C0DhPUGB).

 

[DjoeN]

I'm curious. What can D9WIP do with emuNAND that GM9 can't? I ask because I see nothing on the list of what D9WIP can do that GM9 can't (https://pastebin.com/C0DhPUGB).

Not much more
It's just more straight forward
I fully support @d0k3 for having it all in 1 app and since GM9 is very good and enjoyable (yes i love the app, but i already had to help a few neighboors out on using it, that's why i post my questions)
It could have some more userfriendly easy to use seperate menu (still can be under the home/more option) for nand backups/restores
For example:
Home -> more... -> NAND Backup/Restore
- - Backup SysNAND (to sysnand.bin)
- - Backup EmuNAND (to emunand.bin)
- - Restore NAND to SysNAND (safe) (NAND could be sys or emu)
- - Restore NAND to EmuNAND (NAND could be sys or emu)


Just to show how straightforward D9WIP is compared to GM9:

D9WIP:
- Emunand options -> EmuNAND Backup/Restore... -> NAND backup
- Sysnand options -> SysNAND Backup/Restore... -> NAND Restore (keep hax) (then select emunand backup to restore to sysnand)
- Emunand options -> EmuNAND Backup/Restore... -> NAND Restore (if you want to restore back to emunand)

GM9:
- Home -> More -> Backup NAND -> Backup EmuNAND (no choice for a name? only nand.bin?)
- 0:SDCARD -> gm9out -> select nand.bin and press A -> NAND image options...-> Restore SysNAND (safe)

Ok, i did find most myself, i do readup on forums, but for the average joe (and my neighboor friends) here it's gonna be like this:

See for some people D9WIP is simple and understandable cause the options have the choice in the name emunand options etc...
You can start it and see, ow emunand options, i have to go there for stuff about the emunand,
while in GM9 it's,where's the backup/restore option? ask on temp ow -> home, hmmz, er, let's press more, ow yeah good hmmz, nand back, is it sysnand or emunand, dunno, let's press it and see, ow i can backup emunand and sysnand
now restore, err, there's no backup restore option??? ask for help on the temp, ow i have to press the file, ok where's the damned backup, hmmmzzz, let's ask again, ah it's in the gm9out, press A on it, hmmz, i guess it's nand image options, err, there's only a sysnand restore option? ok, since it's emunand to sysnand, this should be ok, but wait i want to restore my emunand back to my emunand? er, i'm stuck, let's ask again oin the temp.

 

[Cyber Akuma]

I think GM9 is even more straightforward than D9WIP, and without the need for a menu. It's all intuitive. Want to dump a gamecart? Go to the gamecart drive, highlight the game and press A. Want to dump a title to CIA? Go to the title, wherever you have it installed, and highlight, press A. Dump NAND? Either home menu (shortcut) or go to bonus drive and copy it over. Mainly, highlight whatever you want, press A, then select your options.

Honestly, it feels like you are vastly over-simplifying these steps just to argue that GM9 is "easy" when the mass general consensus is that it is not. You sound like you have used GM9 a lot, and I am sure to you it does seem easy because you are so used to it, just like using a new program is easy for someone who is used to computers vs someone who is not, but I am going to have to heavily disagree that GM9 is more straightforward, it is not... at all.

With DM9 you have all your options right there.

Anything to do with Sysnand backup? All under the Sysnand options.

Anything to do with Enunand backup? All under the Enunand options.

Anything to do with cart dumping? Under the Cart Dumping options.

With GM9 those are all over the place, and far less obvious.
Dump a cart? Have you use the file manager to copy-paste a file that is the equivalent of the cart on a virtual drive to your sdcard. (Do you have ANY idea how much the concept of a virtual drive/file representing the cart is going to throw off a ton of people? It's a confusing concept to many.)

NAND backup? You can't even use the file manager "main menu" that is right in front of you, but a separate home menu that you have to even know exists... and then ANOTHER "More..." menu under that.

GM9 is a mess in terms of it's UI design and un-intuitiveness, DM9 is leagues more straightforward.

At this point, there are few reasons to use emuNAND, none of which I personally consider valid.

I'm curious. What can D9WIP do with emuNAND that GM9 can't? I ask because I see nothing on the list of what D9WIP can do that GM9 can't

Isn't that up to the person though? I mean, the whole point of hacking our device is to do what we want with it, it's the owner's choice if they want to use Emunand for whatever reason.

Just like like how it's my choice if I want to dump in .cia or .3ds format. I would dump all of my carts in both, .cia for my actual 3DS and .3ds for use in emulators.... but GM9 can not do .3ds, DM9 can.

 

[Temptress Cerise]

Isn't that up to the person though? I mean, the whole point of hacking our device is to do what we want with it, it's the owner's choice if they want to use Emunand for whatever reason.

Just like like how it's my choice if I want to dump in .cia or .3ds format. I would dump all of my carts in both, .cia for my actual 3DS and .3ds for use in emulators.... but GM9 can not do .3ds, DM9 can.

Huh? You can. Pop in your 3DS Cart, navigate to Game Cart. Select either the .3ds or trim.3ds options and press Y.
Navigate to your SD Card, and paste it where ever you want to dump it.

As for whether it's an "easier" experience. That's really up to the user. I did love EmuNAND9//Hourglass9//Decrypt9 UI and way of doing things, but I've long gotten over it.

 

[OrGoN3]

Honestly, it feels like you are vastly over-simplifying these steps just to argue that GM9 is "easy" when the mass general consensus is that it is not. You sound like you have used GM9 a lot, and I am sure to you it does seem easy because you are so used to it, just like using a new program is easy for someone who is used to computers vs someone who is not, but I am going to have to heavily disagree that GM9 is more straightforward, it is not... at all.

With DM9 you have all your options right there.

Anything to do with Sysnand backup? All under the Sysnand options.

Anything to do with Enunand backup? All under the Enunand options.

Anything to do with cart dumping? Under the Cart Dumping options.

With GM9 those are all over the place, and far less obvious.
Dump a cart? Have you use the file manager to copy-paste a file that is the equivalent of the cart on a virtual drive to your sdcard. (Do you have ANY idea how much the concept of a virtual drive/file representing the cart is going to throw off a ton of people? It's a confusing concept to many.)

NAND backup? You can't even use the file manager "main menu" that is right in front of you, but a separate home menu that you have to even know exists... and then ANOTHER "More..." menu under that.

GM9 is a mess in terms of it's UI design and un-intuitiveness, DM9 is leagues more straightforward.



Isn't that up to the person though? I mean, the whole point of hacking our device is to do what we want with it, it's the owner's choice if they want to use Emunand for whatever reason.

Just like like how it's my choice if I want to dump in .cia or .3ds format. I would dump all of my carts in both, .cia for my actual 3DS and .3ds for use in emulators.... but GM9 can not do .3ds, DM9 can.

I understand, but I'm not simplifying anything. That is just how easy it is to use GM9. It is more intuitive than D9 and doesn't require those specific menu systems. As I said, for the most part, whatever you want to do, will be: find the file (so you have to know which partition it's in and where, which google and gbatemp will help with), highlight the file, press A, look at the options. It is honestly more straightforward. You can disagree with me all you want, as that is your opinion. I also don't need my hand held to use a program.

For the most part, people are afraid to use GM9 as they think they will mess something up. But in all honesty, with the unlock screens and whatnot, that really shouldn't be a concern. Remember, find the file, highlight, press A. Done with 90% of using GM9.

Edit: Sorry I didn't finish reading your post. As for emuNAND, with carts and original CFW, there were reasons to use them. Nowadays, you can use updated sysNAND without a problem. Sure, it's still up to the user if they want to use emuNAND or not. But ever since the community made it so that you don't ever have to, there becomes less and less reasons for someone to use it.

It also seems that GM9 fully supports emuNAND, and can ever format your SD card to include an emuNAND. I know emuNAND are popular with those who enter contests. But that can also be achieved through multiple NAND backups. It's more that the community removed the requirement for emuNAND and eventually, should cease support for it. Just like how no one supports RxTools in 2017.

 

[Ryccardo]

You could compare it to Total Commander on Windows PC's without the double windows

Hey, R+left/right. Close enough

NAND backup? You can't even use the file manager "main menu" that is right in front of you, but a separate home menu that you have to even know exists... and then ANOTHER "More..." menu under that.

Well, actually you can just copy S:/nand.bin to 0:/ -- or even better S:/nand_minsize.bin since the macro under the home button can't do trimmed backups!

I'm curious. What can D9WIP do with emuNAND that GM9 can't?

Packaging keys to aeskeydb
Flashing the acekard2i (lenny due to current events)
System Info, for seeing your CID and active Nintendo 3DS subfolder (equivalent in GM9? create a file in A:/ then manually try to find it from 0:/)
Choice, when decrypting cias, between only decrypting the cia itself or the contents too

 

[OrGoN3]

Hey, R+left/right. Close enough


Well, actually you can just copy S:/nand.bin to 0:/ -- or even better S:/nand_minsize.bin since the macro under the home button can't do trimmed backups!


Packaging keys to aeskeydb
Flashing the acekard2i (lenny due to current events)
System Info, for seeing your CID and active Nintendo 3DS subfolder (equivalent in GM9? create a file in A:/ then manually try to find it from 0:/)
Choice, when decrypting cias, between only decrypting the cia itself or the contents too

Yeah I said emunand only. I know the other differences as stated in the pastebin linked to from the GitHub. So basically one function, lol. And yeah we'll get another program for flashing flash cards for magnethax/ntrhax/lolnintyhax

 

[d0k3]

Packaging keys to aeskeydb
Flashing the acekard2i (lenny due to current events)
System Info, for seeing your CID and active Nintendo 3DS subfolder (equivalent in GM9? create a file in A:/ then manually try to find it from 0:/)
Choice, when decrypting cias, between only decrypting the cia itself or the contents too

Chiming in here. The aeskeydb.bin is still relevant, as it is a pretty useful container to keep all the keys in (could be used on PC, for example). And yes, GM9 can build it from one or more other aeskeydb.bin files and from slot0x??key?.bin files. It can also mount it to extract the keys back out.

Ak2i functionality will in fact not be in GM9, cause that's a too specific feature imho. There may be a separate tool in the works (not by me), but I'm not sure.

System info is coming, and something even better than you had in D9WIP.

And, well, "shallow" CIA decryption never had any real use, on top of users not understanding what it is, so I lerft it out.


Also, @everyone - GM9 will get scripting support within a few days. This means that you ("you" meaning the slightly more advanced users among you) will be able to automate some tasks, bringing back some of the stuff you liked about D9.

 

[JerryShaw]

Chiming in here. The aeskeydb.bin is still relevant, as it is a pretty useful container to keep all the keys in (could be used on PC, for example). And yes, GM9 can build it from one or more other aeskeydb.bin files and from slot0x??key?.bin files. It can also mount it to extract the keys back out.

Ak2i functionality will in fact not be in GM9, cause that's a too specific feature imho. There may be a separate tool in the works (not by me), but I'm not sure.

System info is coming, and something even better than you had in D9WIP.

And, well, "shallow" CIA decryption never had any real use, on top of users not understanding what it is, so I lerft it out.


Also, @everyone - GM9 will get scripting support within a few days. This means that you ("you" meaning the slightly more advanced users among you) will be able to automate some tasks, bringing back some of the stuff you liked about D9.

Yes, actually, you give us too much to memorize, E9, D9 and now GM9. All are good tools. I even keep E9 for B9S 1.0. Thanks so much.

 

[invaderyoyo]

I also think Decrypt9 is more intuitive. The way it's set up makes it very easy to figure things out. With GM9 you have to look things up or guess. I'm not sure how to get to what I want.

 

[Hakujou]

Any way to decrypt/encrypt SD "Nintendo 3DS" folder with GodMode9 ? Can't find how to do it...

 

[Joshwraith]

I like decrypt9 over GM9, is more understandable as I see it, Example: what If I want to restore the sysnand backup to revert to stock fw, in Decrypt9 is clear but on GM9 I just find the Restore (safe) option which will keep b9s or Al9h, I know you can copy and paste the .bin file but you need to know exacly where in the files system because if you do it wrong you can brick.

 

[ihaveahax]

Any way to decrypt/encrypt SD "Nintendo 3DS" folder with GodMode9 ? Can't find how to do it...

you can see the decrypted contents under "SYSNAND SD". copy files you want out of it.

 

[Hakujou]

you can see the decrypted contents under "SYSNAND SD". copy files you want out of it.

So, if, for example, I want to change my "movable.sed" file, I can move files from it to SD, then swap movable.sed, then copy it back and it'll work ?

Thanks !

 

[The Catboy]

I just use both of them for different tasks. Decrypt9 I use for quick tasks like dumping/restoring my NAND as well dumping my games. Godmode9, pretty much everything else.

 

[Cyber Akuma]

I understand, but I'm not simplifying anything. That is just how easy it is to use GM9. It is more intuitive than D9 and doesn't require those specific menu systems. As I said, for the most part, whatever you want to do, will be: find the file (so you have to know which partition it's in and where, which google and gbatemp will help with), highlight the file, press A, look at the options. It is honestly more straightforward. You can disagree with me all you want, as that is your opinion. I also don't need my hand held to use a program.

Again, as I was saying, to you it's simple just because you have used it before, to you it's easy because you are experienced with it and know what to do.

But that is not true for the average user. Having had to teach many people how to do some of the most basic functions like Print on a computer, I have seen how something that is obvious to someone with experience in a product can be confusing to those who are not experienced in it.

As I and others have pointed out, in DM9 all your menu options are just plain right there, and they are in a way where they made perfect sense for me my first time using it. Sysnand options all are an option on the main menu, Emunand options are all there on the main menu, Cart Dumping options are all there on the main menu, etc etc etc.

The very first step you mentioned "find the file" will be confusing to many, ESPECIALLY the concept of even knowing that you have to look for a file and not a "dump cart" or "dump nand" option... and then to know you have to select the file on the top screen and then see that it is selected on the bottom screen. Again, to you, because you are experienced in using it, this is simple... but to anyone who has NOT used it, it is a confusing mess.

Furthermore the fact that to dump a game you have to "select a file" (even this concept, that the cart is represented as a virtual file, will be confusing to others)... but to dump the nand you don't, first you have to even KNOW that a home menu exists, and then know that the nand dumping is under "More...".

To anyone who has not used either DS9 or GM9, GM9 is not going to be straightforward, at ALL. Like I said, your viewpoint is skewed because you have been using it, you can't see the viewpoints of others who have not used it.

 

[XLuma]

I love much more D9W than GM9. More friendly and easy to use. Get back Decrypt9WIP

 

[Cyber Akuma]

I love much more D9W than GM9. More friendly and easy to use. Get back Decrypt9WIP

D9WIP was just updated actually for B9S 1.2, dunno if it will be updated after this though.

 

[XLuma]

Would be great