London Terror Attack(s)

[Deleted-355425]

There is always a network, they have to get brainwashed by someone.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Glad you noticed it.
I meant he never said "Radical Islam" or Islamic/Islamist terror attack. Of course he used the word "Islam". But never in a negative way

From the 3rd link you posted:
Obama: "And let me make a final point. For a while now, the main contribution of some of my friends on the other side of the aisle have made in the fight against ISIL is to criticize this administration and me for not using the phrase "radical Islam." That's the key, they tell us. We can't beat ISIL unless we call them radical Islamists. What exactly would using this label would accomplish?"

BTW from the first link you posted:
"I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."
-> OH MY GOD! (I knew this quote but think about it for a moment... is that the job description of the president of the USA?!)

'Part of this conviction is rooted in my own experience. I am a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and the fall of dusk. As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith.

As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam — at places like Al-Azhar University — that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.

I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President John Adams wrote, "The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims." And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, served in government, stood for civil rights, started businesses, taught at our Universities, excelled in our sports arenas, won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch. And when the first Muslim-American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our Founding Fathers — Thomas Jefferson — kept in his personal library.

So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.

But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America. Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known. We were born out of revolution against an empire. We were founded upon the ideal that all are created equal, and we have shed blood and struggled for centuries to give meaning to those words — within our borders, and around the world. We are shaped by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple concept: E pluribus unum: "Out of many, one."'

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

I'd rather not engage in any discussion with a Muslims that writes to "whoop some ass" C:

Ah sure, ignorance is bliss.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Then why not put some of that to use on these so called 'fake muslims' and stop them dirtying your religion/name?

You do realize that the Manchester bomber was reported by his friends and banned from the Mosque he attended long before he blew himself to bits? The system failed them, it wasn't for lack of trying

 

[Deleted-355425]

You do realize that the Manchester bomber was reported by his friends and banned from the Mosque he attended long before he blew himself to bits? The system failed them, it wasn't for lack of trying

Good on them, lets hope this is the way forwards across the country.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Good on them, lets hope this is the way forwards across the country.

That's how it tends to be, it's just that it isn't the exciting version to report

 

[Clydefrosch]

I can't help but feel this is the result of decades of criticism towards police brutality. I'm all for human rights, but if a man with a knife charges to a police officer they should be shot. Period. If they showed no restraint towards a police officer then imagine what they would do to civilians.

are you stupid? its the result of actually wanting these people taken alive.

because as long as 99% of these guys end up dead before being questioned, we will never get first hand explanations of how they came to chose to go down this road, meaning we will never get to eradicate the root cause of this.

 

[Deleted-355425]

are you stupid? its the result of actually wanting these people taken alive.

because as long as 99% of these guys end up dead before being questioned, we will never get first hand explanations of how they came to chose to go down this road, meaning we will never get to eradicate the root cause of this.

We could live with that approach if they were given more then just a slap on the wrist for what they had done.

 

[Clydefrosch]

We could live with that approach if they were given more then just a slap on the wrist for what they had done.

wtf are you trying to say here?
do you believe if they hadn't been shot dead, they'd have gotten like, social hours?

 

[Deleted-355425]

wtf are you trying to say here?
do you believe if they hadn't been shot dead, they'd have gotten like, social hours?

They get let off easy.

 

[Clydefrosch]

They get let off easy.

are you literally crazy to believe that?

 

[Deleted-355425]

are you literally crazy to believe that?

stop being a racist.

 

[Deleted User]

They automatically arrest friends and family members after a terror attack. Just because there are arrests, doesn't mean that there was a network. We need to wait until they are charged or released (although even then that doesn't conclusively tell you anything).



That would certainly end knife crime as the criminals would need to carry guns to defend themselves. I certainly wouldn't want to see policing in the UK follow the US.

Family and friends of terrorists should be executed on the spot, innocent or not.

If terrorists knew their familes will die along with them, maybe they'd think twice before bombing children or stabbing random people on the streets.

Time is coming very soon where no one will care, and people will just gather up together and start killing muslims on their own, with or without their governments backing.

Edit: Inb4 racist, nazi, whatever. Time they start getting punished for their crimes.

 

[Blood Fetish]

Family and friends of terrorists should be executed on the spot, innocent or not.

lol

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

I'm Muslim myself and I know well the Islam and what it teaches us, and to be honest, I don't care what you believe in and what you do with your life, we should just live in peace regardless of our religion

That's exactly what the Quran/Muhammad said... when he didn't have an army.
Could it be that religions are tolerant when being powerless and intolerant when being powerful?

However, what I can't tolerate is people spamming hatred towards ALL the muslims or towards the Islam because of a minority of people that aren't even true muslims.

Is what I wrote hatred?
I don't hate Muslims but I do hate Islam (at least the law-related aspect of it).
So what does it mean you don't tolerate me? Would I be punished by you? Would you watch me being punished by a Muslim state or a Muslim Mob?
Please clarify "not tolerating".

It's clearly stated in the Quran that killing a single soul is like killing all the humanity

That's what Allah said to the children of Israel. It does not include souls who have killed other souls (death penalty) nor those who commit mischief in the land (am I doing that?). This verse originated in the Talmud. Did Allah use human sources for the Quran?
The next verse (5:33) tells Muslims what do to with those who fight against Allah and Muhammad: execution, exile, torture.
Am I fighting against Allah by saying these things?
Are foreign soldiers (e.g. Americans) fighting against Allah and Muhammad? E.g. in Afghanistan against the Taliban.

Muhammad also that everyone has his religion and is free to practise it in his country.

Are you referring to the Quran or a Hadith? If the latter, could you please give me a reference. Only if you can find it without looking for to long. Thank you.

The sourates of the Quran that talks about killing people were in a context of war, and western countries didn't declared war to us, so committing terrorists attacks is condemned by Islam.

Neither did the Byzantine empire declare war on the Muslims and yet the Quran says the people of the book need to be fought until they submit (9:29).
Are you saying Islam conquered "half the world" by defending itself?
Please explain this verse to me as it was revealed at the end of Muhammad's life by which he had already conquered Arabia.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Family and friends of terrorists should be executed on the spot, innocent or not.

If terrorists knew their familes will die along with them, maybe they'd think twice before bombing children or stabbing random people on the streets.

Time is coming very soon where no one will care, and people will just gather up together and start killing muslims on their own, with or without their governments backing.

Edit: Inb4 racist, nazi, whatever. Time they start getting punished for their crimes.

Is it ok if I call this guy a sociopath?
After all a sociopath is:
a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behaviour.

That's exactly what the Quran/Muhammad said... when he didn't have an army.
Could it be that religions are tolerant when being powerless and intolerant when being powerful?

And how was Muhammed intolerant when he had an army?

I do hate Islam (at least the law-related aspect of it).

Exactly which one of these laws is intolerant to a certain view?
Homosexuality isnt a viewpoint, and before I get attacked with comments such as "You get killed if you're gay."
You might want to read up on it, you only get killed/lashed if you do it in public, as in there needs to be at least 4 witnesses to your crime.
As such if you do homosexual acts in private you can never be killed for it as that is your private life and Islam put's privacy before law. That's why sharia only has jurisdiction over public space.
I've also debunked the claim that islamic law doesnt allow for criticism of Islam.

Am I fighting against Allah by saying these things?

What exactly are you trying to say?

Are you referring to the Quran or a Hadith? If the latter, could you please give me a reference. Only if you can find it without looking for to long. Thank you.

Pretty easy actually:
“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

 

[the_randomizer]

stop being a racist.

How is Islam a race? It's a religion. Arabic people are primarily Islamic/Muslim, yes, but Arab is a race, there's a difference. The term you're seeking is Islamophobia.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Family and friends of terrorists should be executed on the spot, innocent or not.

If terrorists knew their familes will die along with them, maybe they'd think twice before bombing children or stabbing random people on the streets.

Time is coming very soon where no one will care, and people will just gather up together and start killing muslims on their own, with or without their governments backing.

Edit: Inb4 racist, nazi, whatever. Time they start getting punished for their crimes.

WHAT

THE

FUCK

 

[spotanjo3]

Very sad.. indeed!
More attack will continue in the future. No peace and no way to stop it at all. It is only getting worse as long as corruption people are still exist, no matter what.

 

[the_randomizer]

Family and friends of terrorists should be executed on the spot, innocent or not.

If terrorists knew their familes will die along with them, maybe they'd think twice before bombing children or stabbing random people on the streets.

Time is coming very soon where no one will care, and people will just gather up together and start killing muslims on their own, with or without their governments backing.

Edit: Inb4 racist, nazi, whatever. Time they start getting punished for their crimes.

With that kind of attitude, you're part of the problem. Face it, you're drunk, look at what you're saying, take a freakin' chill pill and don't come up with such a half-assed sick-minded idea like that. Good day.

Punish the terrorists, not the families; they have no part in the others' actions. Sheesh.