London Terror Attack(s)

[TheDarkGreninja]

Islam is not your based on your opinion but on the Quran and Muhammad.

And if they do not follow it's teachings? Are they not then Non-Muslims?

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

It is not I who is in the wrong for having this view. Seeing as how it is completely within Islamic law to allow for criticism of Islam.

As far as I know all 4 schools of Sunni schools agree that apostates should be killed (1 of them says female apostates should instead be imprisoned). How does that allow for criticism? Are you not Sunni?

 

[Abu_Senpai]

This video made me laugh.

So this guy from liverpool just uploaded a video on the NET. He showed us his sword and begun threatening to blow up mosques with grenades and chopping up Muslims.

This is what terrorism/ISIS breeds....

I wonder how long before many others over here in the U.K begin doing the same and actually acting upon their words. Not everyone is as resilient to the atrocities that terrorism breeds.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

And if they do not follow it's teachings? Are they not then Non-Muslims?

Muhammad said apostates should be killed. Do you or does ISIS follow Muhammad on this more closely?
The Quran speaks of women "your right hand possesses" (i.e. women you capture in battle and have sex with; besides your regular wife/wives). Do you or does ISIS follow the Quran more closely?

I could continue but you do get my point. Are you Achmadiyya by any chance?

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

As far as I know all 4 schools of Sunni schools agree that apostates should be killed (1 of them says female apostates should instead be imprisoned). How does that allow for criticism? Are you not Sunni?

As far as I know all 4 schools of Sunni schools agree that apostates should be killed (1 of them says female apostates should instead be imprisoned). How does that allow for criticism? Are you not Sunni?

Apostasy is leaving one's religion. A muslim does not become an apostate by questioning their religion. they do if they outright criticise it.

Also, I should've been more clearer, it is considered completely legal under Islamic law for a non-Muslim specifically to criticise Islam or any other religion.

 

[DrayanoX]

Who are you to say that they are not Islamic?
You are not the judge here. They would say the same about you.
Unlike being male or female you can actually "decide" to be Christian, Muslim, Buddhist etc.
Islam is not your based on your opinion but on the Quran and Muhammad.

I'm Muslim myself and I know well the Islam and what it teaches us, and to be honest, I don't care what you believe in and what you do with your life, we should just live in peace regardless of our religion, ideology or nationality. However, what I can't tolerate is people spamming hatred towards ALL the muslims or towards the Islam because of a minority of people that aren't even true muslims.
It's clearly stated in the Quran that killing a single soul is like killing all the humanity, Muhammad also that everyone has his religion and is free to practise it in his country.
The sourates of the Quran that talks about killing people were in a context of war, and western countries didn't declared war to us, so committing terrorists attacks is condemned by Islam.
ISIS just use the Islam as a vector to brainwash people's head because it's easy to misinterpret the Quran.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Muhammad said apostates should be killed. Do you or does ISIS follow Muhammad on this more closely?
The Quran speaks of women "your right hand possesses" (i.e. women you capture in battle and have sex with; besides your regular wife/wives). Do you or does ISIS follow the Quran more closely?

I could continue but you do get my point. Are you Achmadiyya by any chance?

The quran also says that freeing slaves is a virtuous act. Who follows that more closely the one who obtains slaves or the one who has none at all?

No, I am not an Ahmadiyya.

edit: I'll be off for a bit so keep quoting me on a minimum, thanks.

 

[Deleted-355425]

I'm Muslim myself and I know well the Islam and what it teaches us, and to be honest, I don't care what you believe in and what you do with your life, we should just live in peace regardless of our religion, ideology or nationality. However, what I can't tolerate is people spamming hatred towards ALL the muslims or towards the Islam because of a minority of people that aren't even true muslims.
It's clearly stated in the Quran that killing a single soul is like killing all the humanity, Muhammad also that everyone has his religion and is free to practise it in his country.
The sourates of the Quran that talks about killing people were in a context of war, and western countries didn't declared war to us, so committing terrorists attacks is condemned by Islam.
ISIS just use the Islam as a vector to brainwash people's head because it's easy to misinterpret the Quran.

Then why not put some of that to use on these so called 'fake muslims' and stop them dirtying your religion/name?

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

The quran also says that freeing slaves is a virtuous act. Who follows that more closely the one who obtains slaves or the one who has none at all?

ISIS, actually. You can only free slaves if you have slaves.

edit: I'll be off for a bit so keep quoting me on a minimum, thanks.

Actually I need to do other things as well. Don't take it personally. Thanks for being polite.

 

[DrayanoX]

Then what not put some of that to use on these so called 'fake muslims' and stop them dirtying your religion/name?

Sadly I don't think I can stop a whole terrorist organization by myself, I would if I could.

 

[Deleted-355425]

Sadly I don't think I can stop a whole terrorist organization by myself, I would if I could.

Your religion has a large enough following, can we not call on you for help? Surely its in yours interest?

 

[Abu_Senpai]

London attack: 12 arrested in Barking after van and knife attack

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40148737

Looks like they DID have a network

 

[DrayanoX]

Your religion has a large enough following, can we not call on you for help? Surely its in yours interest?

Sorry, I don't get what you are trying to insinuate by this, maybe if you elaborated a bit?

 

[Vipera]

don't worry, UK police are highly trained to deal with these situations

I can't help but feel this is the result of decades of criticism towards police brutality. I'm all for human rights, but if a man with a knife charges to a police officer they should be shot. Period. If they showed no restraint towards a police officer then imagine what they would do to civilians.

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Sorry, I don't get what you are trying to insinuate by this, maybe if you elaborated a bit?

If I were to be part of a religious community I would denounce any suspicious activity I see to the police. I think that's what he meant by that.

 

[barak06]

No. Many of these terrorists are not refugees/migrants but are instead born in the country.
How many times does it have to be said... this issue is more complex than just closing the borders getting guns and everything will be fine.

They are not refugees but 2nd or 3rd generation of migrant. And they are muslim brothers before english or french... so there is no solution, it's too late Like in France where we have 8millions of them (african mostly from maghreb). It's a silent invasion where we will be submerged by the Number...

 

[deinonychus71]

This video made me laugh.

So this guy from liverpool just uploaded a video on the NET. He showed us his sword and begun threatening to blow up mosques with grenades and chopping up Muslims.

This is what terrorism/ISIS breeds....

I wonder how long before many others over here in the U.K begin doing the same and actually acting upon their words. Not everyone is as resilient to the atrocity that terrorism breeds.

They are not refugees but 2nd or 3rd generation of migrant. And they are muslim brothers before english or french... so there is no solution, it's too late Like in France where we have 8millions of them (african mostly from maghreb). It's a silent invasion where we will be submerged by the Number...

I used to live in France, working in IT with lots of muslims people and never had any problem. Quite on the contrary.

Thats the problem right there. Its really hard to id the extremists and people are starting to ask for witch hunts... nothing good ever came out of that.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

I can't help but feel this is the result of decades of criticism towards police brutality. I'm all for human rights, but if a man with a knife charges to a police officer they should be shot. Period. If they showed no restraint towards a police officer then imagine what they would do to civilians.

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If I were to be part of a religious community I would denounce any suspicious activity I see to the police. I think that's what he meant by that.

Well the manchester attacker was literally called out by people in his mosque and they contacted the police about his extremism. The police did nothing.
We don't know enough about the London attackers yet.

Also aren't you going to reply to my debunking of your claim, or are you just going to leave it with that? To be honest, I'd be fine with that.

 

[barak06]

I used to live in France, working in IT with lots of muslims people and never had any problem. Quite on the contrary.

Thats the problem right there. Its really hard to id the extremists and people are starting to ask for witch hunts... nothing good ever came out of that.

Ok firstly you seems like a dinosaur to me !
More seriously you said you worked but most of them don't work ! You've seen the exceptions. Not representative ! In France you can live quiet well with social wellfare. And also the more children you've got the more money and the more free services you get ! Far away from US. And we can id the terrorists : muslims ! No boudhists, jews, or catholics ! May be some converted from the last one searching their path.... lol (i don't feel like to laugh however)

 

[Vipera]

Also aren't you going to reply to my debunking of your claim, or are you just going to leave it with that? To be honest, I'd be fine with that.

I'd rather not engage in any discussion with a Muslims that writes to "whoop some ass" C:

 

[smf]

London attack: 12 arrested in Barking after van and knife attack

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40148737

Looks like they DID have a network

They automatically arrest friends and family members after a terror attack. Just because there are arrests, doesn't mean that there was a network. We need to wait until they are charged or released (although even then that doesn't conclusively tell you anything).

I'm all for human rights, but if a man with a knife charges to a police officer they should be shot. Period.

That would certainly end knife crime as the criminals would need to carry guns to defend themselves. I certainly wouldn't want to see policing in the UK follow the US.