Gaming Do you hate cheating in pokemon

[Deleted member 333767]

Has anyone here actually witnessed a cheater online in real life?

Seriously, the amount of hacked 3DS's (capable of injection/save editing) in the wild is so minuscule in the grand scheme of things, i would actually be very surprised that anybody has actually experienced an opponent cheating/received hacked pokemons.

Just throwing around some rough figures here: Consoles capable of being hacked are not rare, but they're also not common either, with the average-gamer-Joe keeping his console up to date to use online and play the latest game.

The tech savvy people who stayed on lower firmware to have hacks, let's say that only 80% actually play pokemon. So in that 80% of remaining hacked 3DS owners, lets say 50% of them have a conscience/anti-hacking ethos.

Now the number becomes very very small in the grand scheme of how many 3DS consoles have been sold and the number of Pokemon games purchased.

By no means am i presenting this argument as fact and i know i've pulled these figures out of my ass blah blah. It's just a theoretical situation that makes you think.

 

[Dionicio3]

Has anyone here actually witnessed a cheater online in real life?

Seriously, the amount of hacked 3DS's (capable of injection/save editing) in the wild is so minuscule in the grand scheme of things, i would actually be very surprised that anybody has actually experienced an opponent cheating/received hacked pokemons.

Just throwing around some rough figures here: Consoles capable of being hacked are not rare, but they're also not common either, with the average-gamer-Joe keeping his console up to date to use online and play the latest game.

The tech savvy people who stayed on lower firmware to have hacks, let's say that only 80% actually play pokemon. So in that 80% of remaining hacked 3DS owners, lets say 50% of them have a conscience/anti-hacking ethos.

Now the number becomes very very small in the grand scheme of how many 3DS consoles have been sold and the number of Pokemon games purchased.

By no means am i presenting this argument as fact and i know i've pulled these figures out of my ass blah blah. It's just a theoretical situation that makes you think.

I have recived quite a lot of hacked Pokemon

 

[Deleted member 333767]

I have recived quite a lot of hacked Pokemon

But what are you asking in return though? If you're asking for arceus and you put up a magikarp for it, most certainly you'll received hacked pokemons from GTS.....

Back in the days of Diamond and Pearl i had an action replay and people who used to ask for rediculous trades, i would generate the most fake and worthless pokemon for trade just to spite them

 

[Dionicio3]

But what are you asking in return though? If you're asking for arceus and you put up a magikarp for it, most certainly you'll received hacked pokemons from GTS.....

Back in the days of Diamond and Pearl i had an action replay and people who used to ask for rediculous trades, i would generate the most fake and worthless pokemon for trade just to spite them

No, just regular trading in X and Y

 

[RivenMain]

Has anyone here actually witnessed a cheater online in real life?

Seriously, the amount of hacked 3DS's (capable of injection/save editing) in the wild is so minuscule in the grand scheme of things, i would actually be very surprised that anybody has actually experienced an opponent cheating/received hacked pokemons.

I've seen quite a few. The amount of hacked 3ds's may be few, but I could go to wallmart buy a save dongle and bam hacked pokemon. Hacked don't have to be perfect to be hacked. Add in people selling pokemon on ebay, people "giving away" their shiny pokemon off twitch/ youtube streams to try and get veiws, an the people that literally copy paste people's teams and make the other players feel like their pokemon are meaningless. The more you play rated games in pokemon the even higher it goes though. It's a problem. I do hack, but I make rom hacks changing landscape. It's counterfeiting.

 

[SoslanVanWieren]

any 3ds right now can get homebrew for free and in the days of gen 4 and 5 there was what gts spoof thing that allowed you gen pokemon with out a device. If you want shinys earn them yourself all of them on the gts are most likey hacked

 

[CrispyCola]

Add in people selling pokemon on ebay, people "giving away" their shiny pokemon off twitch/ youtube streams to try and get veiws,

*cough cough* auslove *cough cough*

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Has anyone here actually witnessed a cheater online in real life?

Seriously, the amount of hacked 3DS's (capable of injection/save editing) in the wild is so minuscule in the grand scheme of things, i would actually be very surprised that anybody has actually experienced an opponent cheating/received hacked pokemons.

Just throwing around some rough figures here: Consoles capable of being hacked are not rare, but they're also not common either, with the average-gamer-Joe keeping his console up to date to use online and play the latest game.

The tech savvy people who stayed on lower firmware to have hacks, let's say that only 80% actually play pokemon. So in that 80% of remaining hacked 3DS owners, lets say 50% of them have a conscience/anti-hacking ethos.

Now the number becomes very very small in the grand scheme of how many 3DS consoles have been sold and the number of Pokemon games purchased.

By no means am i presenting this argument as fact and i know i've pulled these figures out of my ass blah blah. It's just a theoretical situation that makes you think.

Not in Pokemon specifically, but I'm pretty sure I saw a cheater last time I played Mario Kart 8 online. They had like 80000 VR.

 

[ShaduPanda]

I believe anything genned in pokemon is ok as long as you keep it in singleplayer. If you want to create that shiny you failed to catch, that´s fine by me. Just don´t bring that stuff online.

 

[NoNAND]

I love chating in pokemon games. Can you convert pokemon omega ruby from gateway 3ds cheats 2.0 plugin

 

[BORTZ]

Not really. I play offline mostly and usually without cheats. I start using some of the more fun cheats after I finish the game but not until I finish the game.

 

[Three-]

i dont mainly because, the pokemon i would use obtained by cheats arent illegal, meaning that someone could obtain it. I just dont have enough time as some other people do, to breed for my teams and such, but i never use it in ranked battles or anything.

 

[MasterJ360]

If ppl want to shiny hack let them shiny hack its not ruining my experience or what I should say whatever they have on their save file. I'll never understand why this is such a big controversy, hell you can legitimately catch a full team of shinys and people will still think you hacked them... so this doesn't change anything trust me I got ppl accusing me of shiny hacking my team on one of my videos via youtube even tho I have a playlist of Dexnaving them.... its one of the main reasons why I bought a 3ds capture card to catch shiny's live

 

[NekoMichi]

Depends on the context. Cheating on online or multiplayer matches is a definite no-go area because it just creates an unfair advantage for the mod user.

Cheating to get unlimited HP or to complete battles faster in single player mode defeats the challenge of the game but is generally acceptable, especially if the user just wants to play through the plot.

Genning or RNG manipulation in single player mode is also acceptable so long as the user doesn't then try to show off and claim they caught the Pokémon naturally because that would be dishonest.

Personally I keep a separate save for experimenting with mods, usually I use things like collision detection mods to go out of bounds and explore normally inaccessible areas of the map as it helps me understand how the game world was designed and programmed and you never know what you might find. I also use the corruptions plugin sometimes because seeing Serena turn into a stick insect is both hilarious and horrifying.

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Storytime: Back in school, a friend would challenge me at a battle without telling me he had a party full of hacked unbeatable Pokémon. I anticipated this and countered by using a cheat that would crash his game with a button combination sent from my console. To this day he still doesn't know it was this, and thought it was caused by his hacks.

 

[Three-]

Depends on the context. Cheating on online or multiplayer matches is a definite no-go area because it just creates an unfair advantage for the mod user.

Cheating to get unlimited HP or to complete battles faster in single player mode defeats the challenge of the game but is generally acceptable, especially if the user just wants to play through the plot.

Genning or RNG manipulation in single player mode is also acceptable so long as the user doesn't then try to show off and claim they caught the Pokémon naturally because that would be dishonest.

Personally I keep a separate save for experimenting with mods, usually I use things like collision detection mods to go out of bounds and explore normally inaccessible areas of the map as it helps me understand how the game world was designed and programmed and you never know what you might find. I also use the corruptions plugin sometimes because seeing Serena turn into a stick insect is both hilarious and horrifying.

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Storytime: Back in school, a friend would challenge me at a battle without telling me he had a party full of hacked unbeatable Pokémon. I anticipated this and countered by using a cheat that would crash his game with a button combination sent from my console. To this day he still doesn't know it was this, and thought it was caused by his hacks.

I feel like using pokemon that cannot be obtained legitimately, would be wrong. But making pokemon that someone could easily farm for, i dont think that is. imo

 

[MasterJ360]

PKHeX always makes sure the pokemon you create appears legit whether its Met location, or its pokeball if its an event legendary pokemon. I highly encourage ppl to use it who want to build a WIFI team on the fly
Especially if you are tired of GTS's BS offers you might aswell just gen up the pkmn you want and be done with it. As for the 6iv argument the IV's wont mean a thing if you don't have a good IQ in pkmn battles

 

[pokemoner2500]

Alright so here's my take on it, I haven't really touched competitive battling since early X/Y, due to the sheer amount of cheaters/hackers. While I do own a hacked 3DS and used to use PKHeX I just have a fond memory of early X/Y days being the best of my life, everything was 100% legit and fun and breeding felt rewarding, then 6 IV dittos came around and ruined it slightly (shinies still meant something). When PS came out it kinda ruined it all together. I want days like that again, I'm hoping Switch hacking is delayed till way after a Switch Pokemon game so I can have that fun again!

 

[MasterJ360]

Alright so here's my take on it, I haven't really touched competitive battling since early X/Y, due to the sheer amount of cheaters/hackers. While I do own a hacked 3DS and used to use PKHeX I just have a fond memory of early X/Y days being the best of my life, everything was 100% legit and fun and breeding felt rewarding, then 6 IV dittos came around and ruined it slightly (shinies still meant something). When PS came out it kinda ruined it all together. I want days like that again, I'm hoping Switch hacking is delayed till way after a Switch Pokemon game so I can have that fun again!

Pokebank was pretty much the culprit there. It open doors to 6IV dittos then ppl started to clone them even the poketubers/streamers gave them out for subscriber purposes

 

[pokemoner2500]

Pokebank was pretty much the culprit there. It open doors to 6IV dittos then ppl started to clone them even the poketubers/streamers gave them out for subscriber purposes

I know sadly, it still wasn't as bad as Powersaves though, luckily Switch save data is on the system

 

[RustInPeace]

I hate that this debate is started again, this shit was done months ago, I'm better off finding old posts on the matter that I made rather than repeat myself. Actually, this is by far the best argument used on this beaten dead horse of a topic.

I'll probably end up using the same analogy I did on reddit but anyway... I try to remain non-biased since I gen but only for others. I only play Pokemon for the game, or clone boxes for WT to be nice. Most people will argue that PKHeX is cheating while RNG isn't because of directly editing the save file, vs using a 3rd party program to determine values and "catch" them in game. However, the base of that argument is the fact that the pokemon was "created" by the game itself and not the program. That should beg the question then, why would using hacked parents to breed a perfect pokemon also cheating? (It is, look it up according to the Pokemon Company, any children of hacked parents are also hacked). So all of you people using 6IV Dittos for MM are just letting the game randomly create your hacked pokemon versus having absolute control via PKHeX. You're still cheating, just wasting your own time for the sake of it. Which bring me to my next point, time.

The only somewhat credible argument against genning is regarding time. The time spent cycling in circles, breeding over and over etc, is not skill training, it's busy work. You're wasting time and bragging about doing absolutely nothing. The value of your time is relative, as is time itself. That means your time is really only valuable to you. There is nothing to gain besides reaching a personal goal by spending ungodly amounts of time on breeding. Not to mention half of you stick a coin under the stick and watch TV anyway, yeah you're so awesome because you put the game on auto while you scratch your ass. That's JUST as lazy as genning besides you waiting forever to get a less perfect result. If the argument was "I spend all my time training on showdown (which is genning more or less to practice) and still lose!" You can attribute that to skill, which has no bearing on time unless that time is spent practicing said skill, not doing mindless busy work.

Now I've told you why your time is worthless, I can say why it shouldn't matter one way or the other. Parameters. Gamefreak itself has a set of "hack checks" to more or less keep ALL pokemon within limited means. It's been said countless times but often falls on deaf ears, pokemon must meet legality standards to be used online. Period. You cannot run into one with 999HP, or 600EV in ATK, or a Venusaur with Flamethrower... The game just won't let that happen and people that "hate hacks" know this, they just keep pretending anything goes when it doesn't. The point is that regardless of how the pokemon is created, they can only be used within their preset limited means. Your time breeding doesn't automatically make your pokemon more valuable, nor does it make it any less competitive when it comes to skill. Ultimately what it boils down to is how you use your pokemon, not where they came from. Sure, waste your time breeding on auto while eating cheetos just for bragging rights, then scream HAX! when you get crushed by someone who was practicing their approach.

Just because something is unfair doesn't mean it comes with a disadvantage/advantage. Genners have to work too you know, you can't just click a pokemon and BOOM! No they have to research legal parameters, met locations, movesets, origin games etc etc. So there is actually a lot of time put into it, more or less the same that goes into breeding a 6IV with a hacked ditto. (Which BTW is still considered a HACK by the Pokemon Company). My neighbor and I drive the same car, she got hers free but I had to pay for mine. Is her car better than mine? Nope. The only reasonable argument I could have against it is the fact she got it easier, not that it works better; because it doesn't. Same goes for Pokemon. Period. So if we decided to race and she beat me, it has nothing to do with the fact she got her car free.... See how that works?