Hardware Ultimately, how powerful is the Switch GPU?

[DiscostewSM]

Yeah, my comment was more directed to the people that call it "Underpowered" because it's being marketed as a home console, when the tech behind it is actually pretty powerfull considering the form factor.

Indeed. Even if you only looked at it from a home console perspective, it's certainly no Wii vs PS3/360 scenario, nor even a Wii U vs PS4/XB1 scenario when you consider the small package it's put into. Hell, take out the battery and remove the screen for a theoretical home console setup, and you've got an even smaller package that still packs quite a punch.

 

[Wiisel]

Why can't people enjoy consoles for what they are instead of doing stupid comparisons that don't solve a damn thing? Is that too much to ask for? Oy vey.

Because it all boils down to mine is bigger than yours......

 

[DeslotlCL]

I feel that the reason why are marketing it as a home console you can take on the go rather than a handheld that you can dock to a TV is because they don't have to worry about the handheld aspect of it. Excluding mobile phones and such, Nintendo has a really tight grip on portable gaming. Sony seems to have abandoned it, and no one else is stepping up. When you really think about it, the Switch is quite a bit more powerful than one would expect from a Nintendo portable. Like, the GBA is a portable SNES, but weaker in numerous aspects. The DS is a portable N64, but relatively weaker. The 3DS is a portable GC/Wii, but still weaker. The Switch? The pattern would assume a portable Wii U but weaker, but that's not how it is. It's fairly stronger, and that's not including docked mode.

In all honesty, the Switch is what folks were kinda expecting the Wii U would allow, the latter which didn't.

Doesnt the switch gpu is lower than the wii u one when undocked?

 

[sarkwalvein]

Doesnt the switch gpu is lower than the wii u one when undocked?

When it is undocked it -may- be lower.
It's not conclusive because the architecture is very different, and actually it is quite possibly that by it supporting FP16 operations simultaneously with FP32 operations, the calculations could be optimized doing parts that require less accuracy in FP16 with an end result of more TFLOPS (something in between the FP16 and FP32 TFLOPS rates), and so more performance.

 

[DeslotlCL]

When it is undocked it -may- be lower.
It's not conclusive because the architecture is very different, and actually it is quite possibly that by it supporting FP16 operations simultaneously with FP32 operations, the calculations could be optimized doing parts that require less accuracy in FP16 with an end result of more TFLOPS (something in between the FP16 and FP32 TFLOPS rates), and so more performance.

Wasnt it confirmed to be only fp32?

 

[sarkwalvein]

Wasnt it confirmed to be only fp32?

Nope. Actually the X1 is the first (I think) GPU from Nvidia that supported doing two FP16 operations at the same cost of only 1 FP32 operation.
That said, that is only relevant if the Nvidia specific API used for 3D in the Switch takes advantage of these features somewhat.

 

[DeslotlCL]

Nope. Actually the X1 is the first (I think) GPU from Nvidia that supported doing two FP16 operations at the same cost of only 1 FP32 operation.
That said, that is only relevant if the Nvidia specific API used for 3D in the Switch takes advantage of these features somewhat.

If the shield tv cant do it the switch neither. The X1 chip on switch is just the standard shield tv one but underclocked. Looking at a few specs, the switch cpu is lower than the wii u one too.

 

[sarkwalvein]

If the shield tv cant do it the switch neither. The X1 chip on switch is just the standard shield tv one but underclocked. Looking at a few specs, the switch cpu is lower than the wii u one too.

The shield can do it, it is a feature of the X1.
The only thing is that on Android you don't use the new nvidia API.
And it all boils down to how the drivers and the API use the GPU in this case.

 

[linuxares]

If the shield tv cant do it the switch neither. The X1 chip on switch is just the standard shield tv one but underclocked. Looking at a few specs, the switch cpu is lower than the wii u one too.

CPU clockspeeds aren't something you should look at anymore. There is so much more than that. Like chipset etc.

 

[Xzi]

Ah yes, I remember that analysis of yours. I don't think anyone was expecting 100% XB1/PS4 power levels, but definitely something more.

1.1TFlops will probably come out of X2, but that'll be 2-3 years at least and be more expensive at launch. Probably won't launch in a portable form factor initially, either.

 

[jimbo13]

Why can't people enjoy consoles for what they are instead of doing stupid comparisons that don't solve a damn thing? Is that too much to ask for? Oy vey.

Because 1-2 first party games a year leaves a lot of free time to bitch while they wait on last gen releases.

Because it all boils down to mine is bigger than yours......

No, it boils downs to if the hardware isn't current, it doesn't get current games from third parties.

 

[omegasoul6]

Because 1-2 first party games a year leaves a lot of free time to bitch while they wait on last gen releases.

Ah, I knew one of em would show up soon.

 

[Xzi]

No, it boils downs to if the hardware isn't current, it doesn't get current games from third parties.

Has less to do with the power of the hardware and more to do with whether there's money to be made. Which is why 3DS got better third-party support than Wii U despite having considerably weaker hardware.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Because 1-2 first party games a year leaves a lot of free time to bitch while they wait on last gen releases.

Meh... I don't think it is about having too much free time, but more about being insecure as fuck. Stop measuring your e-peen based on the console you have and go use it already.

 

[Deleted User]

Disgaea 5 is a good start, next make an easy one, some Project Diva.

I wish, Project Diva is a Sony exclusive for a long time.

 

[jimbo13]

Meh... I don't think it is about having too much free time, but more about being insecure as fuck. Stop measuring your e-peen based on the console you have and go use it already.

It has nothing to do with you making it a character flaw. It has to do with consumers valid complaints that they buy Nintendo products on the falsely promoted premise that Nintendo has a competitive release schedule and robust third party support.

They don't.

And they lack that support because they keep putting out 5 year old hardware at current console prices.

 

[sarkwalvein]

I wish, Project Diva is a Sony exclusive for a long time.

Well, they can paint it up, call it Project Mirai Next Generation or whatever.
In the end it is Project Diva with better game design TBH.
For me, keep the way inputs are displayed on Mirai (I like it better), but go with the more realistic visuals of Diva... though the cute style of Mirai was also quite good.

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It has nothing to do with you making it a character flaw. It has to do with consumers valid complaints that they buy Nintendo products on the falsely promoted premise that Nintendo has a competitive release schedule and robust third party support.

They don't.

And they lack that support because they keep putting out 5 year old hardware at current console prices.

So, you tell me "people can't enjoy consoles for what they are instead of doing stupid comparisons", because "1-2 first party games a year leaves a lot of free time to bitch while they wait on last gen releases", implying that using their free time to bitch instead of enjoying something else is not a character flaw.

Sir, you make no sense.

 

[jimbo13]

Well, they can paint it up, call it Project Mirai Next Generation or whatever.
In the end it is Project Diva with better game design TBH.
For me, keep the way inputs are displayed on Mirai (I like it better), but go with the more realistic visuals of Diva... though the cute style of Mirai was also quite good.

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So, you tell me "people can't enjoy consoles for what they are instead of doing stupid comparisons", because "1-2 first party games a year leaves a lot of free time to bitch while they wait on last gen releases", implying that using their free time to bitch instead of enjoying something else is not a character flaw.

Sir, you make no sense.

If you enjoy a dusty brick with no current games so be it.

What makes no sense is when confronted by Nintendo's lack of third party support and game droughts you accuse people of some personal flaw for not finding it acceptable.

You one of those people that like to get spanked and stepped on?

 

[Deleted User]

Well, they can paint it up, call it Project Mirai Next Generation or whatever.
In the end it is Project Diva with better game design TBH.
For me, keep the way inputs are displayed on Mirai (I like it better), but go with the more realistic visuals of Diva... though the cute style of Mirai was also quite good.

I like how Diva displays video in the background but i wish they would give option to just blacken it a bit so it's not that distracting.
*sigh* Guess it's time to spam Sega so they will do it.

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Man, is this another "SWITCH HAS NO GAMES " rant?
Jesus dude, just go. @jimbo13 this argument is as outdated as newest PS4.

 

[linuxares]

I wish, Project Diva is a Sony exclusive for a long time.

Well there is a 3DS version, so it's still a possibility for a proper port to the Vita.