Hacking dgTools NAND Restore

[Azmort]

I hate making a new thread just for this question, but I couldn't wind where to post it, so well.

I've hacked a friend's 3ds long time ago, he had menuhax with rxTools but he accidentally updated his sysNAND, so I'm trying to update him to a9lh, however I've been unable to perform the 9.2 downgrade, it fails every time (I've tried it like 50 times, and I've done many other downgrades without more than 5 tries) I know this is usually fixed by using another entrypoint, but I can't install menuhax or steelhax, it also fails (I've used dgTools to do the 10.4 "downgrade")

So, I was thinking, since his SD has an older fw NAND, could I flash it through dgTools NAND Restore function?
Thanks in advance.

 

[Aletron9000]

I hate making a new thread just for this question, but I couldn't wind where to post it, so well.

I've hacked a friend's 3ds long time ago, he had menuhax with rxTools but he accidentally updated his sysNAND, so I'm trying to update him to a9lh, however I've been unable to perform the 9.2 downgrade, it fails every time (I've tried it like 50 times, and I've done many other downgrades without more than 5 tries) I know this is usually fixed by using another entrypoint, but I can't install menuhax or steelhax, it also fails (I've used dgTools to do the 10.4 "downgrade")

So, I was thinking, since his SD has an older fw NAND, could I flash it through dgTools NAND Restore function?
Thanks in advance.

i don't have a hardmod, plus i am not gonna update (without a9lh), so someone with a hardmod should test this but,

i think it would work because, fwtool (another dsi tool) does backups and restores to sysnand (all encrypted of course), so it should be possible to restore a nand backup via fwtool

 

[metroid maniac]

Emunands often aren't valid, directly-bootable NANDs.
Because of firmlaunching, FIRM may not be updated like normal. So, flashing the NAND to sysnand without a9lh will cause a FIRM version mismatch brick.

 

[zoogie]

I hate making a new thread just for this question, but I couldn't wind where to post it, so well.

I've hacked a friend's 3ds long time ago, he had menuhax with rxTools but he accidentally updated his sysNAND, so I'm trying to update him to a9lh, however I've been unable to perform the 9.2 downgrade, it fails every time (I've tried it like 50 times, and I've done many other downgrades without more than 5 tries) I know this is usually fixed by using another entrypoint, but I can't install menuhax or steelhax, it also fails (I've used dgTools to do the 10.4 "downgrade")

So, I was thinking, since his SD has an older fw NAND, could I flash it through dgTools NAND Restore function?
Thanks in advance.

That old nand restore should work, but you might lose your dsiwarehax entrypoint and won't be able to try to downgrade/restore again until transferring a new dsiware game to it on latest firm.
Make sure to export the dsiware to sd first (you'll lose your ticket on restoring the old nand so I doubt that will help). Make a backup of your current nand too before you give it a try.

If all else fails, you may have to try a hardmod to get it hacked. You may also wait till 33c3 and maybe more options open up for you.

 

[Quantumcat]

you'll lose your ticket on restoring the old nand so I doubt that will help

He can probably redownload it from the eShop, as long as his console wasn't formatted between the backup and when he bought the game? Having exported the DSiWare to SD card should keep the save intact right?

 

[Aletron9000]

He can probably redownload it from the eShop, as long as his console wasn't formatted between the backup and when he bought the game? Having exported the DSiWare to SD card should keep the save intact right?

but the tickets says what is installed or not, so if the ticket is removed, would the eshop think they didn't purchase it even though their NNID says they did?

 

[Azmort]

Thanks for the replies. So for what you say I understand that it should work, his Emunand is probably below 11 so it should be easier to do the 9.2 downgrade, however I don't know which firmware is exactly on that NAND, is there a way I can check it before flashing it?

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[Aletron9000]

Thanks for the replies. So for what you say I understand that it should work, his Emunand is probably below 11 so it should be easier to do the 9.2 downgrade, however I don't know which firmware is exactly on that NAND, is there a way I can check it before flashing it?

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Nope, it would have to be decrypted which requires the xorpads for the NAND.

 

[zoogie]

Thanks for the replies. So for what you say I understand that it should work, his Emunand is probably below 11 so it should be easier to do the 9.2 downgrade, however I don't know which firmware is exactly on that NAND, is there a way I can check it before flashing it?

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With no way to decrypt that nand without arm9 access, there's no way of telling.
To be honest, as long as it's below 11, it will be an improvement and it's not an important detail which exact firmware it is. (Unless it's 9.2 which would be perfect)

 

[Azmort]

I see, menuhax won't work with the DSiware downgrade, right? So my only choices are to keep trying to downgrade from where I am or finding if he has a 10.7 or lower Emunand.

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[Aletron9000]

I see, menuhax won't work with the DSiware downgrade, right? So my only choices are to keep trying to downgrade from where I am or finding if he has a 10.7 or lower Emunand.

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Or hardmod

 

[Azmort]

Or hardmod

Ya, well, hardmod is not an option for me, unless it becomes an emergency.

 

[Olmectron]

Ya, well, hardmod is not an option for me, unless it becomes an emergency.

Try to get Paper Mario: Sticker Star. It makes downgrades from 11.x with 10.4 FIRM to 9.2 to practically always succeed.

 

[Quantumcat]

but the tickets says what is installed or not, so if the ticket is removed, would the eshop think they didn't purchase it even though their NNID says they did?

Hmm.... you make a valid point. It would be easy to check though. For example, make a NAND backup, then buy something cheap like a theme, then restore the backup. Is the theme redownloadable? Maybe someone would check this.

 

[Olmectron]

Hmm.... you make a valid point. It would be easy to check though. For example, make a NAND backup, then buy something cheap like a theme, then restore the backup. Is the theme redownloadable? Maybe someone would check this.

The eShop "restores" tickets the account marks as bought each time you access it.

At least that's how it worked once I erased accidentally all of my tickets with TIK-something app for deleting some bad tickets I installed, but my legit games got their ticket deleted too. Entered the eShop completely, and my games reappeared in my home menu. But that was some months ago.

I think it should be the same for themes.

This also works for games bought without NNID, since the eShop somehow "remembers" the downloaded titles per console, even without NNID. Again, this was some months ago, so it could have changed. Who knows.

 

[Quantumcat]

The eShop "restores" tickets the account marks as bought each time you access it.

At least that's how it worked once I erased accidentally all of my tickets with TIK-something app for deleting some bad tickets I installed, but my legit games got their ticket deleted too. Entered the eShop completely, and my games reappeared in my home menu. But that was some months ago.

I think it should be the same for themes.

This also works for games bought without NNID, since the eShop somehow "remembers" the downloaded titles per console, even without NNID. Again, this was some months ago, so it could have changed. Who knows.

Thanks, that's how I thought it would work, logically!! But I had no basis for assuming this.

 

[Azmort]

Ok, so after checking evertything again a couple of times, I found that I used firm111_OLD.bin instead of firm112_OLD.bin, since I've already tried this with that file, there would be any problem if I try with this file now?

 

[Olmectron]

Ok, so after checking evertything again a couple of times, I found that I used firm111_OLD.bin instead of firm112_OLD.bin, since I've already tried this with that file, there would be any problem if I try with this file now?

That should be the reason. You never downgraded the NFIRM, so the 9.2 downgrade always failed.

If your console is on 11.1, use firm111_OLD, if it's on 11.2 use firm112_OLD

 

[Azmort]

That should be the reason. You never downgraded the NFIRM, so the 9.2 downgrade always failed.

If your console is on 11.1, use firm111_OLD, if it's on 11.2 use firm112_OLD

I know that, but the funny thing is that it was "done" whrn I tried with the 111 file, I'm trying it again but I'm still stuck at "Did not get am:u handle" error.

 

[Olmectron]

I know that, but the funny thing is that it was "done" whrn I tried with the 111 file, I'm trying it again but I'm still stuck at "Did not get am:u handle" error.

Did you already do the NFIRM and used 3DSident for checking it matches the 10.4 NFIRM?