Do You Believe In God?

[Father Crilly]

I know that this was a while back, but again this is something confusing in the Bible that you don't really get if you only read the Old Testament (speaking from experience). How it works as explained vaguely by the New Testament and more famously by St. Patrick is this: God and Jesus are the same, when Jesus speaks it is God speaking through a human mouth. However, God can manifest in different forms, the Father (which is more of the "human concept" of God, and is usually seen as more of a metaphor that Jesus uses to make God relatable to humans), the Son (who is God born in human flesh, Jesus), and the Holy Spirit/Ghost (which is what resides in the hearts of the religious)

I don't think St. Patrick said that. He did, however, use a Shamrock to describe the Trinity.

Also, I think Christians are only interested in the four Jesus Gospels.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I don't think St. Patrick said that. He did, however, use a Shamrock to describe the Trinity.

Also, I think Christians are only interested in the four Jesus Gospels.

Yes, that's how the Holy Trinity works

 

[Jacklack3]

"The majority of people reject your argument, therefore it's false" Argument ad populum.


Not an argument.


Then the discussion between you and me is over.

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The Biblical description of God could be false, that doesn't disprove God's existence. Once again you are attacking religion and thinking it disproves God.


No, it's quite on topic. Refusing to answer doesn't disprove my argument. Stating my argument is false doesn't make it so.

Guys we got a Phoenix Wright over here.

Anyways yes i do believe in god and i pray to him if something goes wrong.
I'm not THAT into god, i kinda think his backstorys boring... But i do believe he is there choosing our fates.

 

[Father Crilly]

Yes, that's how the Holy Trinity works

The Trinity makes up God.
The Trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, all in one God.

I'm Irish, I'm pretty sure I know what St. Patrick said.

 

[Jacklack3]

The Trinity makes up God.
The Trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, all in one God.

I'm Irish, I'm pretty sure I know what St. Patrick said.

Does he have a bucket of gold and beer at the end of a rainbow? *gets punched in face*

 

[Jack_Sparrow]

The Trinity makes up God.
The Trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, all in one God.

I'm Irish, I'm pretty sure I know what St. Patrick said.

Yes, the trinity consists of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, which we believe are all one in the same God.

 

[spotanjo3]

Also, I think Christians are only interested in the four Jesus Gospels.

Actually, not all Christians. Jehovah's Witness doesn't believed in Trinity. Hey, don't badmouth about Jehovah's Witness. Respect them. By the way, I am telling you what I know about them not believing in Trinity, ok ?

 

[Jwiz33]

Yes.
I don't have much to really say other than yes, lol.

 

[YamiZee]

Nope. Never saw any reason to.

 

[smf]

All religions are made up by humans. You could argue that they said that god spoke to them, but we can all pull that one. The new testament was pulled together from a bunch of stories written hundreds of years after the actual events and they excluded things that were contradictory. You can sit there thinking "well that is Christians for you, my religion is different". However all religions are just as patchy.

People generally believe the religion that their parents brain wash them into believing, so which religion you believe comes down to random chance of where you were born.

There are a few psychological benefits to believing in a religion though, which is one of the reasons they were so successful. The other being forced to believe under pain of death.

I don't believe a god is necessary for the world to exist, but we don't know how our universe came into being. However the universe is everything, so if somebody created what we know about then all you do by involving god is make the problem harder. You need to figure out what is outside our universe and how that came to exist, which religion has no answers for.

It wasn't so long ago that Galileo was found guilty of heresy because he said the earth went round the sun, when all the good Catholics knew that earth was the centre of the universe.

It's all utter nonsense that is quite often used to justify murder and commit other crimes against people who don't believe, but you can't believe in all the religions as they contradict each other. Therefore mostly people settle for the one that prevents them being killed.

Fate is all just coincidence, but our brains are always looking for patterns.

 

[Father Crilly]

All religions are made up by humans. You could argue that they said that god spoke to them, but we can all pull that one.

There's no smoke without fire.

People generally believe the religion that their parents brain wash them into believing, so which religion you believe comes down to random chance of where you were born.

I completely disagree. I was agnostic as a child, then when I grew older, I became a Catholic. Then I declared myself not Catholic because I discovered that Catholicism contradicts everything the Bible says. I am a Christian (kinda) now. Neither my parents nor anyone else has influenced my beliefs.

 

[FAST6191]

Hey, don't badmouth about Jehovah's Witness. Respect them.

Earlier I made a comment where I said I am not inclined to call all religions cults, though some come close. That mob, for my money, was not as much close as completely crossed the line way back when. I have had a few of the shunned cross my path before (and did a few things to help them get sorted now they joined the world again, they even got a few others out) and otherwise have done a bit of research on the matter in general and as part of that. Individual members I do not have a problem with (there are groups out there I have problems with each and every participant and loose associate) but the watchtower as a group... respect is so very far from an option there for me.
Others reading there are plenty of things from ex members online, I quite liked https://www.youtube.com/user/CSTheApostate/videos as a starter on this one.

 

[spotanjo3]

Earlier I made a comment where I said I am not inclined to call all religions cults, though some come close. That mob, for my money, was not as much close as completely crossed the line way back when. I have had a few of the shunned cross my path before (and did a few things to help them get sorted now they joined the world again, they even got a few others out) and otherwise have done a bit of research on the matter in general and as part of that. Individual members I do not have a problem with (there are groups out there I have problems with each and every participant and loose associate) but the watchtower as a group... respect is so very far from an option there for me.
Others reading there are plenty of things from ex members online, I quite liked https://www.youtube.com/user/CSTheApostate/videos as a starter on this one.

Well, I am not listening to ex members. They made their own choice and their point of view thats all.

 

[smf]

Belief means an acceptance of the facts. You believe in science, because it's true. You also claim to believe in morality, so you must also think it is true. My question is what is the source of your moral beliefs?

Morality isn't universal, it also isn't owned by religion as a lot of immoral acts are performed by people who are firmly religious. Morality comes from your brain releasing chemicals based on pattern matches.

There's no smoke without fire.

There provably is.

https://www.stagedepot.co.uk/scenic...sku=ENL-4102&gclid=CIvkiPmW1ckCFesBwwod5PsPcw

It is most likely that every single person who says that god spoke to them is lying or deluded. People make stuff up about being abducted by aliens, having god speak to them is not such a stretch. They might believe it themselves or not, it doesn't make a difference. It doesn't take much chemical imbalance in your brain for your internal dialogue to feel like it's someone else talking to you, we call that schizophrenia these days.

I completely disagree. I was agnostic as a child, then when I grew older, I became a Catholic. Then I declared myself not Catholic because I discovered that Catholicism contradicts everything the Bible says. I am a Christian (kinda) now. Neither my parents nor anyone else has influenced my beliefs.

You can't completely disagree as I said generally, I know there are people who will change their mind but that is the minority. Some people decide to believe in horoscopes as well. Although mostly they worship celebrities, in the old days the only celebrities were religious or monarchs because images were expensive to create. Now anyone with a smartphone can have their own followers.

Religions were just read only Wikipedia/Instagram.

The only difference between a religion and a cult is how long it's been going and how many people believe in it. We judge it not on whether it's true, but how many people believe it. It's possible that god is annoyed because we all dismissed some crazy sounding drug cult that happens to be the truth.

 

[Father Crilly]

The fact that my "soul" or conscience or whatever exists is hard to believe. I feel like I have been put inside of a video game. I'm like: "How did I get here?".

I don't know. It's just strange. My conscience knows I'm inside this body. How the hell did my conscience come into existence? Animals don't have this shit. Why do I?

At one time, you didn't exist. Then you are born. They you say, "Hey, I'm awake!". It's hard to explain what I'm talking about.

 

[RodrigoDavy]

There's no smoke without fire.

I'll take my father as an example. Everyday he turned off the light from the garage at night and when he woke up each morning the light was always on. He thought it was a spiritual being pulling a prank on him, but it turned out it was just my sister that turned on the light of the garage because she worked so early it was dark.

What I mean is that people always want an answer for something, and when they can't explain they tend to imagine it's something from another world or of some nature they can't understand. Of course my father is just an example, but I guarantee there are many people like him in this aspect. The thing is there's smoke but people tend to mistake stars for campfires

 

[Father Crilly]

I'll take my father as an example. Everyday he turned off the light from the garage at night and when he woke up each morning the light was always on. He thought it was a spiritual being pulling a prank on him, but it turned out it was just my sister that turned on the light of the garage because she worked so early it was dark.

What I mean is that people always want an answer for something, and when they can't explain they tend to imagine it's something from another world or of some nature they can't understand. Of course my father is just an example, but I guarantee there are many people like him in this aspect. The thing is there's smoke but people tend to mistake stars for campfires

What about the witness accounts of Jesus? That's what I meant with my statement. Smoke = witness accounts and belief. Fire = Jesus.

 

[grossaffe]

It wasn't so long ago that Galileo was found guilty of heresy because he said the earth went round the sun, when all the good Catholics knew that earth was the centre of the universe.

You know, I actually heard something interesting about that (it was a book on tape that my Dad had playing in his car on our way to vacation). It talked about the actual circumstances surrounding his exile and his correspondences with the Pope (I think it was the Pope; this was awhile ago), and the issue wasn't that he was telling people the earth moved around the Sun. If I recall correctly, a lot of it had to do with Galileo’s science being suspect/incomplete (which it was; part of his support was that the tides were just the water sloshing around the Earth like if you were to rotate a glass of water, which was just flat out wrong), Galileo going behind the Pope's back making him look bad, and just being an abrasive personality.

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There's no smoke without fire.

1. There's an analogy to prove whatever position you take in any matter
2. There is absolutely smoke without fire

I don't know. It's just strange. My conscience knows I'm inside this body. How the hell did my conscience come into existence? Animals don't have this shit. Why do I?

Animals don't have what shit?

At one time, you didn't exist. Then you are born. They you say, "Hey, I'm awake!". It's hard to explain what I'm talking about.

I don't know about you, but I didn't have an "I'm awake" moment. By brain did slowly develop, however, into being capable of higher levels of thinking and self-awareness.

 

[SonicRegret]

no.

 

[Jack_Sparrow]

no.

Ok! Thanks for sharing!