Do You Believe In God?

[insidexdeath]

Quran has not been re-written at all as the oldest Quran still available now. You can google search that yourself to find that my claim is true.

All Muslims believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a faith that was revealed many times before through other prophets, including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus. You can probably notice this is true, by looking through verses in the bible, torah and finding significant similarities to the Quran.

@Neo Draven English translated version is available online, if you give it a read, you will know what he is talking about. So many changes in this modern world that have occured now have been mentioned in the Quran. I am afraid if I link you to it, some people will find it offensive.

 

[RodrigoDavy]

My 2 cents. I was raised catholic and have believe in God for most of my life. However I am an atheist nowadays.

I don't believe any religions because every religion I've seen seems to be based on facts that cannot be proven or tested. You just gotta have faith and frankly I don't have faith anymore.
In christianity, they preach a god that loves everyone, a forgiving father... but then I started to get serious on religion and I learned that if you want heaven to be yours, you need to dedicate your life to the Lord.

I learned that my other friends had very slim chances because they don't go to the Church every Sunday or because they don't confess their sins, because they masturbate, because they have sex before marriage. I realized I didn't want to live my life like this, I want to be my own boss. Then I woke up, I realized people like believing their religion because they want it to be truth. They want to believe there's an afterlife, they fear death. Unlike many of my former religious friends believed, I am happier than ever living believing in myself, trying to be a good person in my own way.

 

[Jack_Sparrow]

Thanks for sharing everyone! And i've been reading recent posts, and i want you all to remember this thread is not about defacing or disrespecting others beliefs, i'ts asking if you believe in God, Or Gods. If you'd like to share why you believe i encourage you to, but if you have something negative to say, please keep it to yourself or Private Messaging. Thanks! Let the thread carry on!

 

[FAST6191]

If you are going to claim it is a divine book straight from the mouth of the ninja king the original words help.
However where words might not change you do have languages that change, Arabic being no exception ( http://www.myeasyarabic.com/site/what_is_spoken_arabic.htm ). Quaranic Arabic is a thing still and taught as such but I am still slightly wary as language does rather influence other things*.
You are free to link the Quran, translated or otherwise. The only "valid" offence would probably come if you tried excerpts instead, such a thing being frowned upon as context is pretty key. Otherwise you end up with things like "thou shall not fuck another man in the arse"... ", without doing them the courtesy of a reach around".

*speaking of which magic and mysticism do vary interestingly. Or see also why we have the word of some god rather than more internal stuff you tend to see in older or tribal religions.

 

[Haloman800]

In the context of your initial statement and my rebuttal God exists. Stop trying to change the subject. I am NOT trying to convince you to drop your overall belief in God. I am trying to convince you that blaming innocent deaths "because Satan", is an inherently flawed point of view.



Judging by your location you're a Canadian citizen right? Ok, so what if I told you that the Canadian government was going to allow a member of ISIS to murder your family. What if I told you that the governments reason was that if they never let ISIS do bad, that their citizens would never realize what ISIS is, which is pure EVIL.

Does anyone see how harmful this logic is?

Evil and God existing aren't mutually exclusive. Attacking religious figures such as Satan does nothing to disprove God's existence.

 

[RodrigoDavy]

Challenge accepted. I will, when I'll be able to, I'll send you the evidences via PM ok?

PM me too please, as I am rather curious about these proofs.

 

[Haloman800]

If you are going to claim it is a divine book straight from the mouth of the ninja king the original words help.
However where words might not change you do have languages that change, Arabic being no exception ( http://www.myeasyarabic.com/site/what_is_spoken_arabic.htm ). Quaranic Arabic is a thing still and taught as such but I am still slightly wary as language does rather influence other things*.
You are free to link the Quran, translated or otherwise. The only "valid" offence would probably come if you tried excerpts instead, such a thing being frowned upon as context is pretty key. Otherwise you end up with things like "thou shall fuck another man in the arse"... ", without doing them the courtesy of a reach around".

*speaking of which magic and mysticism do vary interestingly. Or see also why we have the word of some god rather than more internal stuff you tend to see in older or tribal religions.

Since you brought it up, the Qur'an has been changed/corrupted, http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Corruption_of_Previous_Scriptures

Not saying other books haven't been, but the Qur'an definitely has.

 

[Father Crilly]

That my lack in a belief of a god is no different than my not believing in fairies or monsters or ghosts or any other such unfounded supernatural things.

I firmly believe in ghosts. When you experience it, you believe it. That slightly adds to my belief that there may be a god.
I'll admit it, I have no idea if God exists, I even have doubts some times. But ghosts - they're real.

As for fairies and monsters - meh.

 

[Relys]

Attacking religious figures such as Satan does nothing to disprove God's existence.

...God exists...blaming innocent deaths "because Satan", is an inherently flawed point of view.

Evil and God existing aren't mutually exclusive.

Wow, you have a very convincing point there.

 

[Haloman800]

Wow, you have a very convincing point there.

Satan and/or evil's existence have no bearing on whether God exists or not. Saying "you have a very convincing point there" is not an argument. :^)

 

[pwsincd]

I believe in God. I'm a muslim and read Coran several times. I always found a lot of scientific proofs of His existence (even some that I read before they were discovered ^^). So well, I can't believe that there's no God/afterlife.

im not really sure wether i do or dont beleive in an almighty of sorts .. im a logical person and beleive what i can see. I like the scientific theories more than some dude a little bored one day designing a planet etc.. after all wtf was he doing the week before ? . But i like the thought of an overseeing god like figure and also like the thought of an afterlife , but lets be honest its fantasy at best.. I have read lots of the Bible , i get the stories , hard to beleive but i get it , i dont feel the need to re read it over and over , which is what i dont quite get with Coran readers , they seem to read it shit loads . over and over .. is it hard to remember .. ..

I think we just happen to be on a planet at the right distance from the sun to sustain life in all its forms , and evolution has played a massive part in most of it , but in same sentance i dont think my ancestors were fish like critters in a dank swamp... If god is up there with his pals , i reckon he lost the bet.

 

[Relys]

Satan and/or evil's existence have no bearing on whether God exists or not. Saying "you have a very convincing point there" is not an argument. :^)

My argument is entirely based on the pre-condition that God exists.

...God exists...blaming innocent deaths "because Satan", is an inherently flawed point of view.

 

[Haloman800]

Not an argument.

Here's one for you;

1. Without God, objective morality couldn't exist
2. Objective morality exists
3. Therefore, God exists

If you disagree, please tell me when rape and child molestation is morally acceptable.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

Thanks for sharing everyone! And i've been reading recent posts, and i want you all to remember this thread is not about defacing or disrespecting others beliefs, i'ts asking if you believe in God, Or Gods. If you'd like to share why you believe i encourage you to, but if you have something negative to say, please keep it to yourself or Private Messaging. Thanks! Let the thread carry on!

The heart of this debate is really the motivations behind a belief structure, I believe. Not everything that inspires someone to be religious or irreligious is positive. With all of this Islamophobia running rampant in America, at least, I just find it hypocritical when people profess a belief structure but do not abide by it.

"Do you believe in god?" is one of the most intensely personal questions I can think of, and is not one that can be, nor should be, answered with a simple Yes or No.

 

[Jack_Sparrow]

The heart of this debate is really the motivations behind a belief structure, I believe. Not everything that inspires someone to be religious or irreligious is positive. With all of this Islamophobia running rampant in America, at least, I just find it hypocritical when people profess a belief structure but do not abide by it.

"Do you believe in god?" is one of the most intensely personal questions I can think of, and is not one that can be, nor should be, answered with a simple Yes or No.

Which is why i asked you to explain why or why not. I did not, in fact, ask people to fight, as i don't like seeing people fight on the temp.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

Not an argument.

Here's one for you;

1. Without God, objective morality couldn't exist
2. Objective morality exists
3. Therefore, God exists

If you disagree, please tell me when rape and child molestation is morally acceptable.

You have set ironclad terms for this argument, without affirming agreement. I reject your initial premise. From there, everything else falls flat.

Morality does NOT require a deity. Just because you attribute specific human virtues to the deity of a Bronze Age religion doesn't mean it's true. That is simply an unsubstantiated claim that you now have the burden to prove.

I do not believe you can prove that statement. If you cannot, then #2 and #3 are completely moot.

Morality is a social construct, created by and beholden to the society that designs its own moral code. What is good for the goose is certainly not good for the gander, if you compare social structures and their perceptions of what is morally righteous against others throughout history. No gods required.

 

[Father Crilly]

Not an argument.

Here's one for you;

1. Without God, objective morality couldn't exist
2. Objective morality exists
3. Therefore, God exists

If you disagree, please tell me when rape and child molestation is morally acceptable.

Morality is the invention of Liberals. Lions don't think about morality when they maul each other.

 

[grossaffe]

Not an argument.

Here's one for you;

1. Without God, objective morality couldn't exist
2. Objective morality exists
3. Therefore, God exists

If you disagree, please tell me when rape and child molestation is morally acceptable.

Your first two statements are unfounded, thus the conclusion drawn by the third is based on unfounded statements.

 

[Haloman800]

You have set ironclad terms for this argument, without affirming agreement. I reject your initial premise. From there, everything else falls flat.

Morality does NOT require a deity. Just because you attribute specific human virtues to the deity of a Bronze Age religion doesn't mean it's true. That is simply an unsubstantiated claim that you now have the burden to prove.

I do not believe you can prove that statement. If you cannot, then #2 and #3 are completely moot.

Morality is a social construct, created by and beholden to the society that designs its own moral code. What is good for the goose is certainly not good for the gander, if you compare social structures and their perceptions of what is morally righteous against others throughout history. No gods required.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me when it's OK to molest a child.

Your first two statements are unfounded, thus the conclusion drawn by the third is based on unfounded statements.

Without God, there is no objective morality, since where would it exist? By definition, for it to be objective, it is independent of human opinion and consciousness.

Morality is the invention of Liberals. Lions don't think about morality when they maul each other.

Evil requires knowledge of good. Lions have no concept of good, therefore they cannot do evil.

 

[Father Crilly]

Evil requires knowledge of good. Lions have no concept of good, therefore they cannot do evil.

"Good" and "Evil" are human concepts.