Hacking Gateway 3DS working on the New Nintendo 3DS.

[guykild]

The previous 997 pages of this thread

lol I read about 20 pages of 997 XD

 

[lebad]

What !!! 997 pages

I have to go I will not be part of the 1000 ème page :'(

I think that I read more than 80% it was funny (I use the past tence because I think that the release is for tonyght .....or Not ^___^)

 

[ShizzleMyDizzle]

I hope they will release it within 8 days cuz i want shiny beldum in pokemon omega ruby!

 

[Darth Meteos]

lol I read about 20 pages of 997 XD

I've been lurking then participating for about 20 pages, so it evens out.

 

[frecton]

997 pages , W E A R E G E T T I N G T H E R E B O Y S

 

[guykild]

I hope they will release it within 8 days cuz i want shiny beldum in pokemon omega ruby!

Omega Ruby is no match for Alpha Sapphire.

 

[Th0r]

yeah is perfect i have the same one

Awesome. Thanks!

 

[smilodon]

After ALMOST 1 MONTH, something new finally appeared in my parcel tracking!

2014-12-05 12:51 Electronic Information added by sender @ SHEN ZHEN
2014-12-05 12:58 Electronic Information confirmed by sender @ SHEN ZHEN
2014-12-05 19:48 Scanned by Espeed Post @ SHEN ZHEN
2014-12-05 23:03 Being processed by Espeed Post @ SHEN ZHEN
2014-12-06 15:00 Handed over to Swiss Post @ SINGAPORE
2014-12-09 00:00 Départ @ CH
2014-12-09 10:52 ITM_EXP_10 Mailed @ Asendia Asia
2014-12-09 10:52 ITM_EXP_20 Arrival at border point of origin country @ Asendia Asia
2014-12-09 10:52 ITM_EXP_60 Departure from border point of origin country @ Asendia Asia
2015-01-06 13:54 ITM_EXP_170 Arrival at border point of destination country @ FRCDGA

 

[Scorpiopt]

Tired of waiting got a used 3ds with 4.5 and got an used gateway aswell

going to sell my 2ds

 

[Darth Meteos]

997 pages , W E A R E G E T T I N G T H E R E B O Y S

20,000 posts is nothing to the hype train, for it never stops. Choo choo!

 

[guykild]

After MORE THAN 1 MONTH, something new finally appeared in my parcel tracking!

you mad bro LOL ordering from china takes forever

 

[RayBlackX]

Omega Ruby is no match for Alpha Sapphire.

I guess i need to show you the real power of Groudon.

 

[keyra]

u could buy it and then sell it through ebay. Since its limited. you could ask for higher prices? and make a bit of profit out of it

followed your idea

 

[weatMod]

For the ppl (like me) who imported a N3DS because of Gateway support, the Ambassador Model launching this month in Europe and the constant delay of this GW update is making me wonder if it was worthwhile the effort.
I mean i remember the store that sold me the original 3DS at launch had the consoles in the supplier stock for over 3 months before release date, so it wouldn't surprise me if those Ambassador models are 9.0—9.2 models.

what ambassador model for EU?
i didnt know there was one or what they are going to give but if it is anything like the US 2011 ambassador then i will assume it will work the same way
where you will have to go to the eshop and DL the cert so it wont matter if they ship with 9.0-9.2 you will still need an update to get on eshop to DL the cert and ambassador games
i doubt the are going to ship them with 9.0-9-2 and have the cert and games already preinstalled if the past is any indication

 

[DragonSky]

I hope they will release it within 8 days cuz i want shiny beldum in pokemon omega ruby!

Your lucky it doesn't need a new firmware for this one if it comes out on time then .

 

[Darth Meteos]

I guess i need to show you the real power of Groudon.

 

[Armadillo]

what ambassador model for EU?

It's just a limited early release, with a special backplate.

No games or anything. Just a chance to buy early and have the backplate.

 

[ShizzleMyDizzle]

By the way, no mario games in 2015.... Why nintendo?

 

[darmani11]

Confirmed by whom? The Gateway team has not released anything specific about how they will be doing their exploit, so I would go so far as to say it is not confirmed. There has long been speculation that the MiiPlaza thing is probably just about the only way such an exploit could be brought about. This makes sense and it does mean that it's very likely that it will be the basic gist of it if not verbatim. However, it's still speculation plain and simple. We don't know that's the way they're doing it or that it's the only way possible to exploit the system at this point. Imagine, just for instance, if they found a way to sign code and put something on the memory card that forces it to accept the Gateway cartridge (just a for-instance off the top of my head, there are probably better examples one could think up especially with more info about how these things work.) I want to be clear, I'm not necessarily saying that's even possible, it's just an example that there might be ways that haven't even been considered so far. The fact of the matter is, he just took the Ninjahax instructions and modified them to MiiPlaza and that's it. IF we use the MiiPlaza method, then yes, his guide will be correct kind of by default. But if it turns out there actually was some other way people haven't been considering then suddenly it's meaningless...

It just bothers me with all this stuff because I'm seeing so much assumption and speculation with little or no basis backing it. I mean, it makes sense to say that the MiiPlaza has the most potential for this sort of exploit, but at the same time, we shouldn't assume it is the exploit, only that it is the most likely candidate from what we currently know.

I guess the real point here is just how extreme they were willing to go to take advantage of their users. Applying the limitation in the first place was utterly meaningless as far as compatibility or etc goes -- it was solely to force people to have to buy new carts as they hit the limitation. It just bothers me that they essentially made their entire business model around directly and intentionally screwing people over. I don't claim the Gateway team is perfect by a long shot (though we'll have to disagree on the bricking thing. It's not clear if that was actually intentional from what I've read as it sounds like it has more to do with the clone carts using some conflicting code among other things, which is always a danger when one tries to rip off the undocumented closed works of another.) All I personally say is that between the two, Gateway at least tries to offer some value and Sky3DS was in business from the beginning to rip people off.


When the first, highly unstable,CFWwas out - i.e., when you could use it, and all of it's functionality (most relevantly in this case, install .CIA's) without ever needing to buy any GW hardware (i.e. when they were forced to by their competition).
Prior to GW supporting DevMenu, you would've had to buy one (1) GW-kit (or at the very least GW Red Cart) per console you wanted to use it on - but now that it supports DevMenu, you only need one (1) cart all-in-all, as you can just install .CIA's to all but one of your consoles, and use the red cart with that one (or not at all, if you'd prefer).
I don't know that this is really comparable though. Integrating devmenu into Gateway's systems isn't necessarily as simple as you might think. I wouldn't really say it was an intentional limitation or even trying to hold back or anything to squeeze out more profit so much as them just lagging behind the scene perhaps out of necessity, perhaps just out of being slow (and we've definitely established beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Gateway team will win no awards for speed here.) More importantly, I would argue that devmenu is just on a radically different scale. Sky3DS disabling adding any new ROMs after an arbitrarily pre-set (and quite low) limit originally essentially applied a severe functionality limit solely for the sake of gaining more profit. Devmenu, by comparison, is not even on the same scale. It allows the use of things like installing CIAs and not really a whole lot else that the average user can really do anything with (I guess the play coin thing might be kind of nice for those few games where they have some use, but even then it's ridiculously simple to get your play coin count up higher than you know what to do with just by taking a ride somewhere with the system in hand or pocket -- apparently just the vibrations of a moving vehicle are sufficient to raise the counter in my experience with no actual walking needed. And of course one can just shake the system for a while.) So that's physically disabling itself versus a bonus feature. Not really comparable to me at least. (Sorry, I just stick to the apples to apples, oranges to oranges philosophy. If you were using this in reverse and arguing Sky3DS was bad because of something they've done that isn't comparable I would still have to go against it as it just isn't a valid comparison.)



Here's the thing: nothing else actually makes any sense. A lot of people are waiting to buy Gateway cartridges until the update is released. Some are threatening to sell theirs (and remember, even if that does mean there was one original sale, them selling it to someone else used means that instead of two sales you have one because the used sale is $0.00 to the hardware makers. So they don't want used sales, they want people to want to buy their product.) They've also stated on their own website even that they don't really officially have FB, Twitter, and etc and that any e-mail not directly coming from them to you should be assumed to be fake. If they really were trying to convince people of this stuff, they'd be releasing more updates right on their website stating "almost there, get ready" or etc. Instead it's just one update saying "thanks for your patience, we're still working on it, but it's just around the corner." Nothing specific, no statements of before Christmas or before the end of the week or any of that. (Actually, I'm beginning to think that even if the e-mails weren't fake it might be a disparity between people who actually handle the e-mail aspect of things and the team doing the development. If they aren't actually the same people, I wouldn't be shocked if the ones handling the e-mails were indeed saying things that weren't necessarily 100% correct based on the team stating that it's almost done or whatever.)


Aren't you breaking your own supposition then? All of the "heavily written to imply" statements except for only the one are from the e-mails we assume here are false. The only "heavily implied" statement from Gateway we can actually prove is true is the one on their website stating only "just around the corner" (which you have to admit is a bit of a stretch to say actually is directly stating it will be out, say, by the end of the week" or whatever. It's true it implies it will be soon, but the implication is so loose and left open that I don't think anyone really actually can rightly assume from "just around the corner" that they are explicitly stating or implying that it's really that soon...)


Alright, here's where we're just going to have to agree to disagree I guess. To me and everyone I know, this is just too vague to really mean we should be assuming anything so specific as "by the weekend" or "on January 2nd" or all of these other assumptions going around. "Just around the corner" simply implies to me and everyone I personally know "it's really close" which, in other words, isn't really saying anything. No one I know would draw any conclusions from that. Now, we could argue that many people would draw such conclusions -- such is human nature I suppose -- but if we stop and think about this for a moment, isn't it more likely that they would feel -- as myself and all I know do -- that this isn't a statement which would lead people to assume anything too specific? It's certainly not, as you frequently imply, very carefully written to specifically fool people. It's just a simply vague statement, nothing more. At this point I'm going to have to say you're reading a bit too much into this...





Anyway, at this point I'm starting to disagree with you after all. Your definition of "fanboyism" is rather beginning to appear to be "anyone currently in favor of them over a competitor." Fanboyism is more along the lines of, for instance, the Apple fanatics who will line up at the Apple store the night before a release day with the assumption everything Apple makes is automatically good rather than actually shopping around and looking at alternatives (and I've found that if one actually researches there is always a cheaper product with more features.) In fact, in this case, most fanboyism generally gravitates towards Sky3DS. It's a simple case of "oh, it works with the latest!" and etc where the marketing and hype fool them into rushing into spending more for a product that offers less in actual features -- that or just plain being too much in a hurry. The fact of the matter is, none of the products here are perfect and they never will be, but, unless you're going so far as to say that the Gateway team is outright lying (which would ultimately be shooting themselves in the foot and guaranteeing that they go out of business -- I don't think any of these first-party groups are that shortsighted, though I could see argument for some of the third party groups that make clones perhaps making shortsighted quick money grabs) the fact is, it's the product that doesn't fits the bill of the non-fanboy product (more features, lower price, less marketing, etc.)

Hm, and here I was, hoping that even if the time came when my posts were needed again, there would be a long time afore an event of that nature transpired; again, it seems I was wrong, as I noticed some confusion regarding bits of my latest post that were no-ones fault but my own, most pressingly, that I did not give a definition of the concept of "fanboy"; and as such, I will now make a case-in-point regarding some of the debate by being transparent and communicative, and correcting my mistakes and better defining those things which were ill-defined, as I am no prophet or religious scripture that should need to be "interpreted", but rather, I aim towards making understandable, clear, and direct point(s); having failed in this previously, I will try and remedy that here (and make a bonus sidenote or two).

As to the first sidenote; I commend those who disagree with me, but actually do read what I write and write replies in a rational, civil manner and actually try and counter my points as opposed to using tricks such as Ad Hominem*, or deliberately saying "I didn't actually read everything person X said, but I'm going to argue against it/what little I saw anyway, even without full context or understanding", or simply ignoring half of the points and only replying to a few specific ones, without admitting that "I only reply to X, because Y was actually correct".

Let's start then with the definition of a "fanboy", as there have been a couple of good cases in point since my last post that I can use to give a clearer idea.
Firstly, out of the two interpretations that were made, the latter is the one closest to my definition; that is, that "fanboyism" means blatantly defending all facets - even the shadier ones - of the thing one is a fan of even in the face of said things actions in reality, and using faulty arguments along the lines of "Well Y isn't bad, because X exists, and X is worse"**; and also to give out things that are actually personal opinions as facts and exaggerating things, such as was given an excellent example of earlier by some user, who quite literally said that GW was better than Sky, and listed a number of features that would supposedly make GW the superior choice, while remaining completely ignorant towards two main things;
Firstly, that what features one is actually looking for is subjective, and not everyone wants - or cares for - the exact same features. E.g., in the specific case of one solely wanting to play imports, or at least considering the option to play imports to be of any importance, then GW is factually the better choice, simply by merit of that you can't do that with Sky (at the time of writing, at least) and "that's that"; same thing with if e.g. installing .CIA's (again, at the time of writing, as one cannot do that with Sky at said time) is an important feature for one. However, this is subjective; for someone who simply wants to play ROMs, for legal backup-reasons or otherwise, both of the carts are quite capable of doing that, and then one would have to look at e.g. how you would go about doing that on both carts (if it's equally simple to get started, how much work has to be put in to use them, if you have to do something in particular to be able to do it etcetera), if they can both play the same amount of ROMs etcetera and base it on that, and then GW might actually not be the superior choice; it is subjective (to take an example, it could easily be argued that getting set-up with GW is more work than the Sky, and that some people just "can't be arsed" or "doesn't consider the benefits to be worth the hassle"; and that is not just "them being lazy and stupid", that is them knowing what they want and going with the option that best suit their wants and needs). Additionally, the exaggerating; saying things like "being able to update games for online play" in a context where it's said as if it's a unique feature of the one or the other, when it actually isn't.
Secondly, a clear property of a fanboy is trying to push their particular choice/product upon others, e.g. by
1. Instead of first asking e.g. "Hey, what do you need? Oh, X, Y, and Z?" and then (and only then) replying with something along the lines of "Well, in that case I'd say that you should go with Q, because they will be capable of doing X, Y, and Z for you; but just so you know, P applies to all of that".
2. Saying things along the lines of "Oh, you've made a decision for X? No, don't go with that, hold out and go with my thing instead!" (there was some user posting a case in point for this earlier)
3. Claiming the superiority of their own choice/product by showcasing the Pro's, but little to no (or meaningless) Cons regarding their own choice/product, and doing the exact opposite for the competing choice/product (a case in point here was that some user made a list that supposedly would show that GW was ultimately superior for everyone at the moment, but failed to mention a number of things, including but not limited to that Sky works on the latest firmware, which GW doesn't, and also committing wholly to the "upholding their definition of "best" as a fact based on that product X has features that they themselves might want, but others might ultimately not care for/about).
And thirdly, a common property of fanboys - that it can be argued is not required to be a "fanboy", but that I consider important enough to at least be mentioned - is that they get emotionally vested in their choice. This is a common human trait that has undergone much research, even in the specifics of the psychology of fandom, and I cannot possibly write it all down here, but a few (heavily) shortened points and examples regarding the mechanics of how it works are;
1. One has been raised with X, and as such, self-identifies with X to a very high degree.
2. One has chosen X and cannot (for whatever reason) also choose Y, and as such, get insecure in their choice when faced with the possibility that X wasn't the best choice, and as such assert the superiority of X to restore their own internal mental balance.
3. Out of a general/not inherently fandom-related psychological insecurity, one has to assert oneself as being superior in most (and extreme cases, all) things, and will as such default to considering everyone that do not agree with their specific choice of X to have made an inferior choice.
And this is of course just scratching the surface; for those interested in further reading, I'd recommend starting with something by Freud (as mad as the man was in most respects, he made more than a few points that still hold up to this day) specifically regarding attachment, and the Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophys article on emotion, specifically section 8, "Rationality and Emotions" ( http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/emotion/#8 ).

That would be the definition of a fanboy; hope that clears things up a bit, and I apologize for overestimating my original "clearness", so to speak.

Now then, as a second sidenote (hmm, perhaps it would be more accurate of me to describe them as "secondary points" as opposed to "sidenotes"?), allow me to say that the whole "it's peoples own fault for not researching enough" also falls into a fallacy; for then, you have to specify what "enough" research is. If you don't, and it is taken to it's logical conclusion, then that would mean that if I were to e.g. buy a GW-kit, I would first have to find a reseller. Secondly, I'd have to read up on that particular reseller/company, to see what sort of reputation it has. Thirdly, I would have to see who originally owned and operated the reseller, and who is currently doing it, as it might have otherwise been taken over by a shady person. As such, I would fourthly have to find out some personal details regarding the person who currently owns and operates it, to know if that person is trustworthy. Fifthly, I would have to make sure that that person was not part of a larger conspiracy of some sort, directed specifically towards making me buy a false GW-kit, and so on and so forth; already by the fifth step, it has turned ridiculous, and there are many, many other ways of formulating this fallacy without getting so ridiculous (here, I do it to be very clear regarding the point at hand), and also with adding many, many more steps; as such, there has to be a limit to what is reasonable, and a defined one, e.g. "I the company in question seems reputable, and when I contacted them, they gave me answer X which seems satisfactory" or some other example. Further, saying that (as some user previously did) it is always the user buying a clones own fault leads to a fallacy (which will shortly be explained) and also a second rather absurd conclusion. For the fallacy; since most people who did buy a clone were most likely new to it all and didn't even know there was such a thing as "clones" that they had to watch out for, that logic leads to an absurd logical end as that is logically and principally identical to me saying
"Anyone who slips on a banana peel will be shot on sight", and then - waiting around a corner - intently watching a banana peel on the side-walk, and shooting the first person who slips on it, and then explaining myself by saying "Well, it doesn't matter if the person didn't hear me saying that I'd shoot anyone who slipped, he/she/it could've just been watching his/her/its feet even though he/she/it had no particular reason to be doing so; they still could
have been watching their feet, hence, it's their fault for not doing so".
For the second absurd conclusion, it would as such also mean that everyone would have to watch out for everything at all times, i.e. a variant of the earlier fallacy regarding "having to do research".

Yet another sidenote is that the newspost that said "just around the corner" also used the word "soon", not to mention the earlier made point regarding how early they released a teaser video, and I find it is currently most rational to assume that at least a few of the mails - perhaps particularly the ones from our own users - are real. Further, also the fact that they are keeping us completely in the dark as to what's actually going on. Hence, it would still seem - unless I've missed something - that they have actually acted in a rather sleazy/questionable manner.

Regarding what's actually going on, that leads to the third and final (unless I later remember something that I as I'm writing this have forgotten) sidenote, the matter of their supposed "stability-testing".
It is proven not by me, but by GWs actual communications to us, that we have no idea what they're doing, simply because they haven't told us. I made this point in my previous post, and even came up with two other blind guesses as to what might be keeping them and furthermore added an argument as to why those two blind guesses might actually be better guesses than that they're stability-testing, and yet it seems that some people keep talking about being patient because "don't you want a stable release?" as if it was a fact that stability-testing is what they're doing. This baffles me, and could be added to the definition of a fanboy; assuming that the best possible/most probable explanation for any action that the thing they're a fan of is always also the explanation that puts the thing in question in the best possible light. One cannot say that the extra amounts of time it is taking is because they're stability-testing, because we provably have no proof pointing to that or to literally anything at all. Me guessing that they're members of a small and secret cult that forbids releasing software-related updates of a particular byte-size at any other day then the 21st of march is literally just as good a guess as that they're bug-hunting, simply because they are keeping us in the dark and not telling us anything at all. Saying "don't you want a stable release" or "if you got your way people would brick their 3DS's" is simply not fact, it's wild speculation.

Now, that should be it. If I've missed something, made some error or other, or have said something without properly defining it, I would like to be called out on it, that I may improve and better myself.

Stay civil, unemotional and rational.

*Ad Hominem=Attacking the person making a point, as opposed to the point itself; when one cannot actually counter the points being made, and instead opts to attack the person making the points and as such trying to "win" by metaphorically saying "that man is covered in poo! Do you really want to agree with a man covered in poo?" and making people disagree based on that, even though the actual creature making the points - and the make-up of said creature - is entirely irrelevant to the validity of the points, and if the points made by the poo-covered man are actually correct. Put as simply as possible; one tries to avoid the issue(s) at hand and instead try to attack the people, not the arguments, of the opposing side.

** That sort of "argument" is inherently flawed, as the principle and logic it is based upon leads to a fallacy, in the sense that if the people using that sort of argument truly believed in it, they would never try and complain about e.g. being randomly beaten up and put in a wheelchair, because people sometimes get wantonly/senselessly murdered, and getting murdered is certainly worse than "merely" being put in a wheelchair. Put simply, it's flawed because it is a false argument that no-one truly upholds, and also/secondly because the logic upon which it is based leads to that there can literally be only one living person at a time who has a right to complain about anything, and that would be the one single person currently alive that has the worst possible conditions at any given time.

 

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[guykild]

I guess i need to show you the real power of Groudon.

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