Gaming Pokemon Omega ruby / X question stats related

[Chrisssj2]

Is it still random when pokemon level up the stat gain? or is it a predetermined value now?
When do you guys normally do ev training? This is the "super training" right?
Can you do all possible training for 1 pokemon right from the start?

Anything I should know coming from pokemon red/gold?

 

[eilan25]

stat gain is not random. it never was.
it depends on IVs, EVs, nature and actual level.

you can fully EV train your pokemon when you have access to the PSS(and thus, the super training mini game) at any level you want.

if you want to get into online competitive battling I suggest reading up some guides online, there are a few new methods to breeding and such to make your life easier....
oh yeah and there is a new pokemon type. Fairy.

 

[Chrisssj2]

Actually it was. Easy way to test this is loadup an emulator with save states.
You'll see in the older pokemon version ( like red, gold)
The gains of each levels + 2 attack , speed etc. may be +1 one time, or +2 another time,
If you choose to load a different save state.
I used to keep reloading save states, till I got the appoperiate sats I wanted sometimes.
Same with the pokemon you catch, the default stats it has differ and seem to be random (in the old pokemon)
So sometimes I also kept reloading if I got a pokemon with low certain stats.

How is this with the new Omega Ruby and Pokemon X I don't know?

 

[Deleted member 473940]

Actually it was. Easy way to test this is loadup an emulator with save states.
You'll see in the older pokemon version ( like red, gold)
The gains of each levels + 2 attack , speed etc. may be +1 one time, or +2 another time,
If you choose to load a different save state.
I used to keep reloading save states, till I got the appoperiate sats I wanted sometimes.
Same with the pokemon you catch, the default stats it has differ and seem to be random (in the old pokemon)
So sometimes I also kept reloading if I got a pokemon with low certain stats.

How is this with the new Omega Ruby and Pokemon X I don't know?

Looks like you may not understand the whole concept behind stats.

Go there: http://www.serebii.net/games/mechanics.shtml

on the right hand side you will find all the mechanics in the game. EVs, IVs, Stats, Nature etc

 

[Chrisssj2]

I am talking about the old pokemon games. I experienced this personally so in this im not wrong or else how could I be since I experienced this stat "difference"?
Now the real question is, is it different for the new pokemon games..

EDIT:

LOL i see pokemon now actually get stats based on the pokemon/type they battle?
Isn't this totally gay? So your starting pokemon when battling story mode, will ALWAYS be weaker then you wan't it to be perfect? -.-
Am I right? Fucking gay!

Though this doesn't answer my question of stat difference upon catching pokemon.
I guess this answers my question of "levelling up" in the new series I guess?

Though so you can get a max of a certain number of EV's in a certain stat.
Then what is this super training? I thought this was stat raising?

 

[Deleted member 473940]

I am talking about the old pokemon games. I experienced this personally so in this im not wrong or else how could I be since I experienced this stat "difference"?
Now the real question is, is it different for the new pokemon games..

EDIT:

LOL i see pokemon now actually get stats based on the pokemon/type they battle?
Isn't this totally gay? So your starting pokemon when battling story mode, will ALWAYS be weaker then you wan't it to be perfect? -.-
Am I right? Fucking gay!

Though this doesn't answer my question of stat difference upon catching pokemon.
I guess this answers my question of "levelling up" in the new series I guess?

Though so you can get a max of a certain number of EV's in a certain stat.
Then what is this super training? I thought this was stat raising?

Pokemon game has always been the same about how you get EVs.
However, up to 2nd gen there was no EV limit of 510. From Ruby/Sapphire onwards, the limit is 510.

As for stats changes, 4EVs represent 1 stat at level 100. 1IV represents 1 stat at level 100. AND postive/negative nature also affects the stat changes.
So, depending on the pokemons overall base stat, IV, EVs gained before levelling up will be reflected when levelling up.

YOU DONT NEED TO BE CONCERNED about pokemons stats increasing when levelling. Just worry about its IVs and EVs you trained it at and its nature.
You have been questioning about this before in another thread and just running in circle with your own question, no offence.

Read up on the mechanism link I sent if you are interested into Pokemon Competitively

If you are not a competetitive guy, then just play the game and enjoy.

Super training is another way of gaining EVs.
Max EV in one stat can be up to 255 however 252 is viabale as every 4 EV represents one stat.
Max overall EV a pokemon can have is 510.

 

[yugix]

I am talking about the old pokemon games. I experienced this personally so in this im not wrong or else how could I be since I experienced this stat "difference"?
Now the real question is, is it different for the new pokemon games..

EDIT:

LOL i see pokemon now actually get stats based on the pokemon/type they battle?
Isn't this totally gay? So your starting pokemon when battling story mode, will ALWAYS be weaker then you wan't it to be perfect? -.-
Am I right? Fucking gay!

Though this doesn't answer my question of stat difference upon catching pokemon.
I guess this answers my question of "levelling up" in the new series I guess?

Though so you can get a max of a certain number of EV's in a certain stat.
Then what is this super training? I thought this was stat raising?

Super Training is to do this EV training without battling other Pokemon.
Also, you get items. Sometimes you get Evolution Stones if you get high score in certain training (this was in XY, I don't know if ORAS has it since I still haven't used it).
You can also reset these EV if you use certain "Bag" (not Bug) in the Super Training items.

 

[Chrisssj2]

Well then i dunno when I reload save state I sometimes would get different stats, in red im sure, gold probably too.. Anyway doesn't seem to matter here then.


"AND postive/negative nature also affects the stat changes". So you can catch certain "bad" pokemons which are not worth training if u want perfect pokemon? Is there a place where you can watch your current EV's?

No offense taken, im just not understanding it better untill now.
I am reading it now but it is explained long and complex somewhat.
Im a perfectionist kinda guy.. i want the strongest pokemon possible xD

So would the best way to EV train your pokemon at level 1 and use up the 510 EV's so it won't get the "wrong" EV's based on which pokemon you battle??
Am I right?

And last, the pokemon stats you get when you catch a pokemon in the wild, is this always the same, because I believe in the old ones even if u caught a few same lvl' ones ud get different stats, meaning better or worse potential.

 

[Deleted member 473940]

Well then i dunno when I reload save state I sometimes would get different stats, in red im sure, gold probably too.. Anyway doesn't seem to matter here then.


"AND postive/negative nature also affects the stat changes". So you can catch certain "bad" pokemons which are not worth training if u want perfect pokemon? Is there a place where you can watch your current EV's?

No offense taken, im just not understanding it better untill now.
I am reading it now but it is explained long and complex somewhat.
Im a perfectionist kinda guy.. i want the strongest pokemon possible xD

So would the best way to EV train your pokemon at level 1 and use up the 510 EV's so it won't get the "wrong" EV's based on which pokemon you battle??
Am I right?

And last, the pokemon stats you get when you catch a pokemon in the wild, is this always the same, because I believe in the old ones even if u caught a few same lvl' ones ud get different stats, meaning better or worse potential.

As I said, you need to be concerened about EV/IVs/Nature if you want to battle competetively.
If you want to play the game just offline, no need to worry about that.
And EVs can be applied anywhere between level 1 to 99, stats changes will be reflected upon levelling up.
There is no "good" or "bad" for ev training at earlier level compared to later level. But if you battle the pokemon that give you not the evs you need, obviously you are gaining wrong evs. However, there are berries that delete the wrong evs.

Pokemon is not as easy as everyone makes it sound like. I suggest you keep reading the whole mechanism and watch some youtube videos.

 

[TecXero]

Well then i dunno when I reload save state I sometimes would get different stats, in red im sure, gold probably too.. Anyway doesn't seem to matter here then.


"AND postive/negative nature also affects the stat changes". So you can catch certain "bad" pokemons which are not worth training if u want perfect pokemon? Is there a place where you can watch your current EV's?

No offense taken, im just not understanding it better untill now.
I am reading it now but it is explained long and complex somewhat.
Im a perfectionist kinda guy.. i want the strongest pokemon possible xD

So would the best way to EV train your pokemon at level 1 and use up the 510 EV's so it won't get the "wrong" EV's based on which pokemon you battle??
Am I right?

And last, the pokemon stats you get when you catch a pokemon in the wild, is this always the same, because I believe in the old ones even if u caught a few same lvl' ones ud get different stats, meaning better or worse potential.

When you catch a Pokemon, its IVs and nature are determined, so its stats might not always been the same. Good luck getting a Pokemon with a perfect nature and IVs. I just cheated in some Dittos with various natures and perfect IVs in Gen 5 and transferred them over. It makes breeding a perfect IV Pokemon only take minutes. For wild Pokemon, Synchronize is a nice ability to ensure the wild Pokemon has a nature you want.

 

[Chrisssj2]

Does this mean, the pokemon will get corresponding ev's in ONE go? meaning if u ev boost from 99 to 100 u can get + 63 in a few stats?
And I am never "too late"

And if u would have gained wrong ev's with wrong stats. the berries that delete's these EV's also delete the stats with it? Whats this berry called? this berry resets ev's of one stat or all?
But u just said the postive/negative nature also adds in to stat gains. Which makes me believe that there better pokemon types to have for better stats, sounds logical?

So a pokemon basically never is "lost" and can be reverted with berries, and proper EV training, but the wrong nature, may wish you to recapture another same pokemon of another nature?

 

[Deleted member 473940]

Does this mean, the pokemon will get corresponding ev's in ONE go? meaning if u ev boost from 99 to 100 u can get + 63 in a few stats?
And I am never "too late"

And if u would have gained wrong ev's with wrong stats. the berries that delete's these EV's also delete the stats with it? Whats this berry called? this berry resets ev's of one stat or all?
But u just said the postive/negative nature also adds in to stat gains. Which makes me believe that there better pokemon types to have for better stats, sounds logical?

So a pokemon basically never is "lost" and can be reverted with berries, and proper EV training, but the wrong nature, may wish you to recapture another same pokemon of another nature?

Yes, stats changes will be applied in one go.
Yes, evs can be deleted with berries. BUT for nature and IVs, you need to breed for the best ones. Thats where you look at the breeding mechanism of the link i gave.
A positive nature gives 10% extra stat overall and negate takes away 10%.
Look at the mechanism for natures for that.

ALL your questions can be looked at serebii. you can find questions and answer yourself.

 

[Chrisssj2]

When you catch a Pokemon, its IVs and nature are determined, so its stats might not always been the same. Good luck getting a Pokemon with a perfect nature and IVs. I just cheated in some Dittos with various natures and perfect IVs in Gen 5 and transferred them over. It makes breeding a perfect IV Pokemon only take minutes. For wild Pokemon, Synchronize is a nice ability to ensure the wild Pokemon has a nature you want.

So you are confirming that pokemon have different IV's upon catching. But it would be hard to get perfects..
Ah I understand how nature's work now, they are like a multiplier. so it's not a flat value that adds or detracts.
So nature's are definetly important. No way to change a pokemon's nature right?

 

[Chrisssj2]

Yes, stats changes will be applied in one go.
Yes, evs can be deleted with berries. BUT for nature and IVs, you need to breed for the best ones. Thats where you look at the breeding mechanism of the link i gave.
A positive nature gives 10% extra stat overall and negate takes away 10%.
Look at the mechanism for natures for that.

ALL your questions can be looked at serebii. you can find questions and answer yourself.

I see..Hate breeding though, wish to play online.
I saw the nature link i see types that are "neutral" and don't add or take away 10%. and the ones u talk about 10% positive and 10% negative..|

Thanks btw!

 

[Deleted member 473940]

I see..Hate breeding though, wish to play online.
I saw the nature link i see types that are "neutral" and don't add or take away 10%. and the ones u talk about 10% positive and 10% negative..|

Thanks btw!

there is postive, negative and neutral
but neutral ones are useless for competitive. because you want to have 1 stat positive and sacrifice a stat that you dont need.

 

[Chrisssj2]

Yeah, is there some kind of database for pokemon which would potentially be "best nature's?
I realize this is not always one type maybe, but still I'd like to know which types would be good for what pokemons.

In addition to that, the natures also affect the Pokémon's Pokéathlon stats. Pokeathlon, anything important?!