Hacking Is the 3DS capable of playing ROM dumps straight from SD card? Or hardware flashcard is obligatory?

[Yepi69]

It would be if the 3DS's own system could be so easily decrypted, since eShop games are attached to your 3DS's keys, one would need to decrypt the 3DS to allow ANY game to be played regardless the different keys.

 

[bartimeaus91]

No, I mean why are people trying to prevent their tools from being used for piracy if they're already making them? Or did I misread something?
For the record, I'm not saying I myself engage in piracy, but I don't personally have any problem with people who do. (I understand why many people don't like it though.)

I think you're reading some stuff wrong. Basically all the groundwork for complete hacking/dev-ing of 4.x system has been done. However, some certain devs refuse to release what they have done. They officially cite the reasons as "because piracy. duh". So what this means is that for anyone that is interested in hacking for the 4.x system, they would have to REDO all the groundwork. This severely stunts the scene. They are not trying to prevent their tools from being used for piracy, its really more of a "why should I do all the work for you" situation. It's precisely because of this that instead of building up on each others work, interested parties have to go through the same hoops and circles before getting anywhere new. So yeah, blame the lack of the spirit of sharing that stunted the 3ds scene.

 

[cdoty]

It's more complicated than the Gateway.

You need some patch of the OS to initially load the game from the SD card, unless the game is patched to look like an eshop app.
Nintendo will release a patch to stop this pretty quickly.

Either a patch of the OS or a patch of the rom would be needed to redirect cartridge reads and save ram to the SD card. This should be relatively easy, since all games are developed using the CTR SDK. Although, Nintendo could patch the SDK fairly easily also. This would still leave older games playable.

 

[gamesquest1]

I think the problem is people have become unable to differentiate homebrew from piracy, the devs who are currently working on the 3ds want homebrew without the piracy...........unfortunately the masses would prefer piracy without the homebrew, I have said this so many times now but somebody who creates something has no obligation to share it..........especially if they know that people only want it for something they disagree with, the devs are not going to get anything from it except a load of crap for issues they didn't even want I.e "why you no fix smash bros you suck hurry up" people should learn that the scene doesn't owe them a thing

 

[bartimeaus91]

I think the problem is people have become unable to differentiate homebrew from piracy, the devs who are currently working on the 3ds want homebrew without the piracy...........unfortunately the masses would prefer piracy without the homebrew, I have said this so many times now but somebody who creates something has no obligation to share it..........especially if they know that people only want it for something they disagree with, the devs are not going to get anything from it except a load of crap for issues they didn't even want I.e "why you no fix smash bros you suck hurry up" people should learn that the scene doesn't owe them a thing

Those words are very true.

Coincidentally, if they did however shared the work they have done so far, it would allow people to further work and improve upon. So yes. They have valid reasons and no obligation to share anything they created but one definite side effect is that it stunts the entire 3ds hacking scene (i.e. hacking + homebrew).

 

[Qtis]

Those words are very true.

Coincidentally, if they did however shared the work they have done so far, it would allow people to further work and improve upon. So yes. They have valid reasons and no obligation to share anything they created but one definite side effect is that it stunts the entire 3ds hacking scene (i.e. hacking + homebrew).

You mean like http://3dbrew.org/wiki/Main_Page

The information is shared, the exploits not so much since there is not that much of releasing something and have Nintendo block it before it's any use to the community..

 

[WaryLouka]

It will happen someday. The PS3 got multiple game managers that basically allowed people to play illegally downloaded games, same for Xbox 360.

 

[Thirty3Three]

I feel as though a LOT of people here don't know what they're talking about and are just trying to "show off" by spouting jibbrish.

Just adding that in... I've seen that in so many places.

 

[bartimeaus91]

I feel as though a LOT of people here don't know what they're talking about and are just trying to "show off" by spouting jibbrish.

Just adding that in... I've seen that in so many places.

Creating this topic http://gbatemp.net/threads/can-i-use-a-7-1-game-to-update-my-emunand-to-7-1.366499/ doesn't give you much credibility. P.S, I've answered your question there.

Like, a rom of Yoshi's New Island, for example? Will that work to boost my emunand from 4.5 to 7.1? I'd like to dodge 7.2 for now.


Also, can I play online using emunand 4.5? Or is it like the PSP where you must update before using any online... stuff...?

Thanks.

 

[dubbz82]

I find it semi ironic that the way the scene currently stands, to use homebrew that's been released in .3ds format actually requires a device that *shocker* can load, and has the primary function of loading, commercial roms. to not release a rom loader that can load the same homebrew (and yes probably commercial roms as a side effect) is laughable in my book. It's not this way yet, as most existent homebrew is still in the Launcher.dat format, however I can see this quickly becoming a thing.....So eventually their answer will be "yeah you need a gateway card, but no we don't support piracy, so we won't let you load the same content without a device who's primary purpose is piracy".

 

[AmeenX]

I find it semi ironic that the way the scene currently stands, to use homebrew that's been released in .3ds format actually requires a device that *shocker* can load, and has the primary function of loading, commercial roms. to not release a rom loader that can load the same homebrew (and yes probably commercial roms as a side effect) is laughable in my book. It's not this way yet, as most existent homebrew is still in the Launcher.dat format, however I can see this quickly becoming a thing.....So eventually their answer will be "yeah you need a gateway card, but no we don't support piracy, so we won't let you load the same content without a device who's primary purpose is piracy".

Yeah I agree that's a totally contradictory action

 

[gamesquest1]

The devs didn't make gateway.......so that's out of their control, but they can atleast stop people pretending they want to play a few pretty much poc homebrew......atm there is nothing anyone can be upset they can't play, yeti3ds yeah cool for 5 mins but not something to cry about

 

[bartimeaus91]

I find it semi ironic that the way the scene currently stands, to use homebrew that's been released in .3ds format actually requires a device that *shocker* can load, and has the primary function of loading, commercial roms. to not release a rom loader that can load the same homebrew (and yes probably commercial roms as a side effect) is laughable in my book. It's not this way yet, as most existent homebrew is still in the Launcher.dat format, however I can see this quickly becoming a thing.....So eventually their answer will be "yeah you need a gateway card, but no we don't support piracy, so we won't let you load the same content without a device who's primary purpose is piracy".

It is isn't it. The current state of the homebrew scene is that you need a piracy device for homebrew. However according to the great lord prophet smealum, he has a working way to run homebrew while simultaneously having anti-piracy measures. So in essence, DRM for homebrew. That's where you get a second serving of irony for the 3ds hacking scene.

The devs didn't make gateway.......so that's out of their control, but they can atleast stop people pretending they want to play a few pretty much poc homebrew......atm there is nothing anyone can be upset they can't play, yeti3ds yeah cool for 5 mins but nit something to cry about

I know what you mean. There's always some people whining for support even though the OP stated there will be no support. But meh, its the lesser of two evils in my opinion.

 

[dubbz82]

My point is by allowing stuff to load only on the gateway, that's effectively supporting a company who's primary purpose is rom loading (by forcing the small portion of people that are interested only in homebrew to actually buy their silly rom cart).

 

[bartimeaus91]

My point is by allowing stuff to load only on the gateway, that's effectively supporting a company who's primary purpose is rom loading.

Yes. We can speculate that the said Devs have a financial interest in GW by allowing this to happen but its pointless. The fact of the matter is that at this current time, there is no alternative.

 

[gamesquest1]

God I can just feel the love for homebrrrrr...........yeah right there is nothing even available that is really more than a proof of concept, nobody is fooled about what people are crying for, it's just starting to look stupid now if you want to pirate go buy a card if you genuinely want homebrew........just wait it will happen eventually......your not missing out on Much atm anyway

 

[dubbz82]

It's just sort of a bummer that's how it currently is.....I'd hope that maybe someone will come out of the wood work eventually and release a loader anonymously or something, so people that don't want to support companies like gateway can still play homebrew/load their own games from their SD cards without hauling around a heap of game carts/etc.

God I can just feel the love for homebrrrrr...........yeah right there is nothing even available that is really more than a proof of concept, nobody is fooled about what people are crying for, it's just starting to look stupid now if you want to pirate go buy a card if you genuinely want homebrew........just wait it will happen eventually......your not missing out on Much atm anyway

Point isn't so much current homebrew, but more for future homebrew...though i suppose someone could release a proper homebrew loader at any given point.

 

[bartimeaus91]

God I can just feel the love for homebrrrrr...........yeah right there is nothing even available that is really more than a proof of concept, nobody is fooled about what people are crying for

Well, I for one couldn't care much for homebrew apps and games. They're nifty and a select few are downright impressive however, homebrew by its nature and very definition is "everything that a commercial game could be" means that truly amazing ground breaking stuff like emuNand/redNand won't work. I'm more in it for the unleashing the potential of the 3ds. Yes, people are crying for free rom loading solution but lets face it, the majority of us own flash carts anyway. In any case, I'm 100% certain that people like smealum whom has done so much fantastic work on hacking the 3ds has their own rom loading solution, its just private and he has no reason to share. But hiding behind the veil of morality? Pfft.... Mother Theresa's are few and far between.

 

[gamesquest1]

The point is, is that even if smealum said I'm not releasing just to piss people off.....that's his prerogative...;..he can't stop someone else doing it though, if you don't like what he is doing......go do better

 

[TheCasketMan]

Can you use your SD Card from the 3DS slot or do u need a micro sd and put it on the gateway itself like the dstwo/r4?