Gaming Nintendo Confirms Wii U Has Flopped, Slashes Sales Forecast By ~70%

[Foxi4]

No... Why did you metion the N64? Now Foxi4 will make a speech about how bad the N64 was, how it is super overrated, difficult to program and how the controller sucks...

It would appear that I don't have to - FAST6191, Black-Ice, emigre, chavosaur and Joe88 are doing a great job without my help... Good, good - I have trained these Forums well...

 

[blaisedinsd]

1st of all the Nintendo 64 was a complete failure.


And seriously, it's not just Foxi that thinks the n64 was a failure. It WAS. The facts support it.
The problem here is Nintendo is so much of a religion now, it's like an Atheist trying to use evidence against a creationist.
It goes nowhere.

And yet the N64 made way more profit than the PS3. Is the PS3 a failure? By most measures it was 3rd in the "console war" and lost so much money it just about wiped out all the profits of PS1 and PS2 combined.

Comparing a Nintendo fan to a creationist is a bit off base. All Nintendo fan is saying is that he like the games on that console and he is met with a bunch of narrow minded maniacs telling him how foolish he is to like that when some other console sold better or had an overall better selection of games or some other such non sense.

As a reminder I never had N64 or Gamecube since I had a PS1 and a PS2 I didn't feel I needed them just for a few exclusives....if I was rich I probably would have had both.

I guess I have no loyalties since i really only have had console war victors.

2600
NES
SNES
PS1
PS2
Wii
(eventually I got a 360 and then a PS3 as well but even the best games I have not enjoyed as much as my gaming on the Wii)
Wii U

I will likely get a PS4 once its actually good and worth owning. I think Xbone is done as far as the console war....Ps4 is getting out to too big a lead and MS has shown they can't adapt by immediately dropping kinect requirement and sell xbone at the same price. It's probably too late and MS only hope will be their exclusives which has never been there strength...If Titanfall is not great they are especially screwed.

 

[Foxi4]

And yet the N64 made way more profit than the PS3. Is the PS3 a failure? By most measures it was 3rd in the "console war" and lost so much money it just about wiped out all the profits of PS1 and PS2 combined.

"Console X made more money than Console Y, therefore Console X is a better gaming system" - please have fun with all the nogaems on Console X, I'm sure that the thought that some Japanese guy made some money off it is pivotal to your gaming experience.

It may have been profitable, which doesn't make it a successful gaming system - you've got your priorities mixed up.

Depends on your perspective.

How so? A handheld is still a video game console.

Not all home console gamers are even remotely interested in owning a handheld console and vice versa, not all handheld console owners are even remotely interested in owning a home console, ergo they're two separate branches of the same business. Comparing home consoles and handheld consoles is the equivalent of comparing cars and motorcycles.

 

[darky2003]

I have bought the wii u 2 weeks ago and must admit this is one of the greatest consoles i have.
And yes , i had psone, ps2, ps3, dreamcast, every gameboy console, xbox and xbox360...

I really love the gamepad functions and i can now finaly play games while my wife watches tv!

 

[Foxi4]

I really love the gamepad functions and i can now finaly play games while my wife watches tv!

A-ha! You tried to trick us! You can't play games on the Wii U when your wife watches the TV because the Wii U has no games! Good joke, I laughed many times!

I guess I have no loyalties since i really only have had console war victors. (...) Wii (eventually I got a 360 and then a PS3 as well but even the best games I have not enjoyed as much as my gaming on the Wii)

If we're looking at matters from a purely sales-oriented perspective, sure, the Wii was the victor, but we can't exactly forget that a huge portion of the library consisted of shovelware, the sales were inflated by soccer moms and people initially interested in motion controls and ultimately the system doesn't have nearly as much to offer to the core gamer as the PS3 and the XBox 360 which were last generation's equivalents of the SNES and the Mega Drive. To me, all three have something to offer - everything depends on what you're looking for.

 

[Black-Ice]

I thought the Wii was expected to sell better than the 360 and PS3?
It offered something different to the other two which basically did the same thing and it wasnt that bad.
Most people I know had a wii and ps3 or wii and 360.

The wii u isnt doing that, its individuality is no longer enough enough or simply isnt effective anymore which means they've regressed. That's what Nintendo need to overcome with a Wii U rework or a new console

 

[FAST6191]

And yet the N64 made way more profit than the PS3. Is the PS3 a failure? By most measures it was 3rd in the "console war" and lost so much money it just about wiped out all the profits of PS1 and PS2 combined.

Comparing a Nintendo fan to a creationist is a bit off base. All Nintendo fan is saying is that he like the games on that console and he is met with a bunch of narrow minded maniacs telling him how foolish he is to like that when some other console sold better or had an overall better selection of games or some other such non sense.

I am still going to have to look up the numbers, most of my searches seem to return things like http://www.forbes.com/1997/09/19/feat.html and http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/06/29/sony-finally-making-profit-ps3-hardware which are less useful that hard numbers. Though hard numbers are hard to come by (things being split between divisions, amortised in various ways and more); if you have some nice numbers to share then it would be useful for this.

That said the PS3 undoubtedly won the format wars of HDDVD vs blue ray. For that I am sure Sony would have paid a far higher price.

On the bolded part that is either a classic example of the persecution complex or you radically misreading what people have been saying. You are free to enjoy whatever you like and always have been, it seems that is enough for some people though and they assume their enjoyment is enough to mean others should accept that without qualification; such a line of thought is not evidence of sound logic and people get called out on it, where it gets nasty is people seem to attach a measure of self identity to such things (a silly idea but a popular one).

 

[darky2003]

we just need to give the wii u some time,
3DS also had the same problem -> low sales , few good games

 

[Foxi4]

we just need to give the wii u some time,
3DS also had the same problem -> low sales , few good games

...and then that problem was remedied by a severe price cut and a slew of new games.

Initially, the 3DS cost about as much as a PSVita and even from a purely technological point of view that was simply insane. Now, the Wii U got its price cut, but it's still more expensive than the PS3 and the XBox 360 with which it can realistically compete and it's less value in comparison to the PS4 and the XBox One which show all signs of having a bright future. I have no doubt that both Sony and Microsoft are keeping their last generation systems on the market and price them competitively to the Wii U partially because they want to pummel the poor thing to death.

As for the games... Well... I don't think I have to elaborate on that point. The Wii U is getting a fistful of first-party games and very little beyond that, and if the N64 and the Gamecube taught us anything then it's the fact that first-party C.P.R will not make your system flourish - it'll be merely keeping it in a vegetative state. Nintendo has to openly go out and offer appealing deals to third party developers to spice things up a bit - the system needs third party support.

 

[Gahars]

I have no doubt that both Sony and Microsoft are keeping their last generation systems on the market and price them competitively to the Wii U partially because they want to pummel the poor thing to death.

An accurate illustration of this marketing strategy in effect.

Those of you with headphones might want to turn down the volume. There's a lot of knowledge getting dropped here.

 

[emigre]

As for the games... Well... I don't think I have to elaborate on that point. The Wii U is getting a fistful of first-party games

And a severe fisting from third parties.

 

[blaisedinsd]

"Console X made more money than Console Y, therefore Console X is a better gaming system" - please have fun with all the nogaems on Console X, I'm sure that the thought that some Japanese guy made some money off it is pivotal to your gaming experience.

It may have been profitable, which doesn't make it a successful gaming system - you've got your priorities mixed up.

The goal of the company that made the system was to make money. The only tool who insists that everything has to be about which console is the better gaming system is you. I don't see anyone in here trying to say N64 was way better than Playstation. I never even had an N64 for chrissakes. It's petty and immature to always respond to someone who says they really enjoyed their N64 with put downs and declarations of what a POS the console was.

Maybe you are just too poor to afford more than one console so you have to act like a turd and declare only one console is worth owning and it's gaming library is all that matters.

 

[AngryGeek416]

Ya...no....the N64 was a excellent console not selling as well as the PS1 doesn't take anything away from it. I guess some people never had any friends as a kid, many childhood memories consist of rocking 4 player Smash or various other games. Actually still till this day the N64 still see's action on holidays when my family comes over. For me the only real fail console Nintendo has had is the Wii (VB) obviously and that destroyed competition in sales. It's always the same thing on here you guys sound like a broken record, i thought this was a Nintendo friendly site? all i ever see is Nintendo bashing from people who probably never owned a Nintendo console in there life.

 

[blaisedinsd]

My point in this thread has been that if the company makes a system with the goal of making money (which they do) and they do make money and some people enjoy the system then you really have nothing of merit to say with your pathetic console war flame bait rhetoric.

Fox you have my sympathy. Maybe you will grow up someday.

 

[Foxi4]

The goal of the company that made the system was to make money. The only tool who insists that everything has to be about which console is the better gaming system is you. I don't see anyone in here trying to say N64 was way better than Playstation. I never even had an N64 for chrissakes. It's petty and immature to always respond to someone who says they really enjoyed their N64 with put downs and declarations of what a POS the console was.

Maybe you are just too poor to afford more than one console so you have to act like a turd and declare only one console is worth owning and it's gaming library is all that matters.

My point in this thread has been that if the company makes a system with the goal of making money (which they do) and they do make money and some people enjoy the system then you really have nothing of merit to say with your pathetic console war flame bait rhetoric.

Fox you have my sympathy. Maybe you will grow up someday.

...I'm going to pretend that I didn't notice personal insults in your posts and explain my standpoint to you in simpler terms.

Making a profit or being more or less commercially succesful does not make a console any better or worse. If you equate "not making losses" to "being successful on the market" then fair enough, the "N64" was succesful. In the meantime, I still maintain that the N64 was the butt of its generation along with the Sega Saturn and a poorly performing system which could only be called mediocre, and that's if you're in a very forgiving mood. Nintendo came through that difficult time in its history simply because they had the globally successful Game Boy line and that's that. I'm not going to call a system that practically "didn't exist" outside of the U.S. "successful" - it wasn't successful at all, it merely wasn't "terrible".

Making a profit off a given system makes that system a profitable business venture, but not necessarily a good video game system. Again, it was difficult to code for, expensive, not particularly popular and with next to no developer support.

As for growing up, I'm not going to comment on that - perhaps you should re-evaluate your priorities and start looking at matters from a global point of view, encompassing all the factors that come into play, not just whether or not the system sold well.

 

[blaisedinsd]

Not all home console gamers are even remotely interested in owning a handheld console and vice versa, not all handheld console owners are even remotely interested in owning a home console, ergo they're two separate branches of the same business. Comparing home consoles and handheld consoles is the equivalent of comparing cars and motorcycles.

This is shows a complete lack of basic reasoning skills. This is like comparing Disney Studios to Sony Pictures and saying their movies can't be compared.

Whatever, a movie is a movie and the goal of each studio is to make money.

A game console is a game console and a video game is a video game, whether or not you have to plug it in to a power source and a TV or not does not change the fact that we are talking about the business of making consoles and selling video games.

If a company like say Honda sells cars and motorcycles there is no reason to separate their profits when the entire business is selling combustion engine vehicles.

 

[Foxi4]

This is shows a complete lack of basic reasoning skills. This is like comparing Disney Studios to Sony Pictures and saying their movies can't be compared.

Whatever, a movie is a movie and the goal of each studio is to make money.

A game console is a game console and a video game is a video game, whether or not you have to plug it in to a power source and a TV or not does not change the fact that we are talking about the business of making consoles and selling video games.


If a company like say Honda sells cars and motorcycles there is no reason to separate their profits when the entire business is selling combustion engine vehicles.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. My basic reasoning skills tell me that not all motorists are the same - some prefer motorcycles and some prefer cars, and although both of those are motor vehicles, their manufacturing is divided into two mutually exclusive fields of expertise and the products are aimed at two separate markets altogether.

 

[blaisedinsd]

...I'm going to pretend that I didn't notice personal insults in your posts and explain my standpoint to you in simpler terms.

Making a profit or being more or less commercially succesful does not make a console any better or worse. If you equate "not making losses" to "being successful on the market" then fair enough, the "N64" was succesful. In the meantime, I still maintain that the N64 was the butt of its generation along with the Sega Saturn and a poorly performing system which could only be called mediocre, and that's if you're in a very forgiving mood. Nintendo came through that difficult time in its history simply because they had the globally successful Game Boy line and that's that. I'm not going to call a system that practically "didn't exist" outside of the U.S. "successful" - it wasn't successful at all, it merely wasn't "terrible".

Making a profit off a given system makes that system a profitable business venture, but not necessarily a good video game system. Again, it was difficult to code for, expensive, not particularly popular and with next to no developer support.

As for growing up, I'm not going to comment on that - perhaps you should re-evaluate your priorities and start looking at matters from a global point of view, encompassing all the factors that come into play, not just whether or not the system sold well.

Exactly. You are only talking about juvenile console war rhetoric about what you think is a "good" system.

It's poppycock because:
1. A good system is a system that is bought and enjoyed
2. No one in here has said the N64 was the superior system

 

[Foxi4]

Exactly. You are only talking about juvenile console war rhetoric about what you think is a "good" system.

It's poppycock because:
1. A good system is a system that is bought and enjoyed
2. No one in here has said the N64 was the superior system

In that case, you're failing at point 1 - N64 sales in Europe and Asia were non-existant. I'm not even arguing about superiority here, I'm claiming that the N64 was a poor system because in my opinion, all factors considered, it was. I love the Sega Saturn, but I'm not insane enough to argue that it was successful - it flopped, just like the N64 did, even worse, in fact.

 

[blaisedinsd]

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. My basic reasoning skills tell me that not all motorists are the same - some prefer motorcycles and some prefer cars, and although both of those are motor vehicles, their manufacturing is divided into two mutually exclusive fields of expertise and the products are aimed at two separate markets altogether.

So if Honda is making the majority of their profits from cars and their motorcycles only make a small profit are we then going to say Honda is failing as a company and they need to abandon the motorcycle division?

Business is about making money. If the motorcycles are adding to their profits I am sure they are probably just fine continuing to make them. And people who enjoy Honda motorcycles don't deserve to have you griefing them because you think Honda motorcycles are not "good" enough.