Transferring video from DV tapes?

[the_randomizer]

Okay if you export it to a video file (AVI/MP4/MKV), can you open it under MPC-HC and paste Mediainfo under Properties.



All fake. This isn't DVI to HDMI, or HDMI to Micro-HDMI where the signal is the same that a simple cable is all you need.

Firewire and USB are two completely different signals, there is NO such thing as simple cable conversion.

Already exported, here's the info, this was done with VirtualDub, I suppose I can try making another video with WinDV; I made a 30 sec video with that and the tearing still occurs. I'm convinced that it's simply how DV outputs video. I don't have extra cash to get a new camera (this is my dad's he never uses it and said I could borrow it).

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General
Complete name : C:\Juno the Fox.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 150 MiB
Duration : 10mn 0s
Overall bit rate : 2 099 Kbps
Writing library VirtualDub build 32842/release

Video
ID : 0
Format : MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile : Advanced Simple@L5
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, QPel : No
Format settings, GMC : No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix : Default (H.263)
Codec ID : XVID
Codec ID/Hint : XviD
Duration : 10mn 0s
Bit rate : 1 767 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 3:2
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.171
Stream size : 127 MiB (84%)
Writing library : XviD 64

Audio
ID : 1
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 3
Mode : Joint stereo
Codec ID : 55
Codec ID/Hint : MP3
Duration : 10mn 0s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 320 Kbps
Channel count : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 32.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 22.9 MiB (15%)
Alignment : Split accross interleaves
Interleave, duration : 33 ms (1.00 video frame)
Interleave, preload duration : 500 ms

 

[trumpet-205]

It has been a very long time since I video edit an DV. I have to go find my DV recorder and do some experiments.

 

[pwsincd]

the cables arent a scam and your a pleb if you beleive that.. The cable allow a connection from a DV camera to a usb port , the user has to set the interface type in the camera config , it then will transmit usb signals via the firewire port.. it doesnt convert the signal. This is of course dependant upon wether the camera has that option.

 

[the_randomizer]

It has been a very long time since I video edit an DV. I have to go find my DV recorder and do some experiments.

Yeah, they got the camera in 2007, but they never used it, so when I asked then if I could use to record the silly antics of a fox, they let me Let me know how the dv experiment goes, but damn, the tearing is annoying (again, with some tweaking, I improved the quality by a lot). People don't seemed to be too bothered; guess I'm just picky about that

the cables arent a scam and your a pleb if you beleive that.. The cable allow a connection from a DV camera to a usb port , the user has to set the interface type in the camera config , it then will transmit usb signals via the firewire port.. it doesnt convert the signal. This is of course dependant upon wether the camera has that option.

Dude, I already have an IEEE1394 cable, I'm not buying anything else because I don't need anything else. Transferring video from a DV requires a high data rate, the manual states it has to be four pin to four/six pin cables. My camera doesn't have the option at all to use USB, I have to use firewire.

Can we PLEASE just move on to another topic other than cables?? I don't care about the cable as I already have the one I need for the camera, all I care about now is getting the best video quality possible with proper video capture software. That's all I wanted, I didn't want to derail the topic to USB.

 

[trumpet-205]

the cables arent a scam and your a pleb if you beleive that.. The cable allow a connection from a DV camera to a usb port , the user has to set the interface type in the camera config , it then will transmit usb signals via the firewire port.. it doesnt convert the signal. This is of course dependant upon wether the camera has that option.

Calling me plebeian now, eh? I guess I should address you as king, royal highness, or IDK.

Anyway I know NO DV recorder that allows USB signal on a 1394a 4-pin port. I'm not even sure there is a mini-DV recorder that supports USB in the first place, since USB cannot guarantee constant speed over transmission (something needed for constant bitrate video streaming/mini-DV). Your idea does show up in DisplayPort (DP), where if a device supports dual-mode DP it'll switch between LVDS (native DP signal) and TMDS (native DVI-D/HDMI signal). Dual-mode DP is a published standard, Firewire to USB is not.

You are more than welcome to correct me by pointing out a mini-DV recorder (or any Firewire device) that shares both USB and Firewire under a Firewire port. Till then it is fake.

Yeah, they got the camera in 2007, but they never used it, so when I asked then if I could use to record the silly antics of a fox, they let me Let me know how the dv experiment goes, but damn, the tearing is annoying (again, with some tweaking, I improved the quality by a lot). People don't seemed to be too bothered; guess I'm just picky about that

Found my DV recorder. Surprisingly it is the same make and model as yours. This should be interesting.

 

[the_randomizer]

Calling me plebeian now, eh? I guess I should address you as king, royal highness, or IDK.

Anyway I know NO DV recorder that allows USB signal on a 1394a 4-pin port. I'm not even sure there is a mini-DV recorder that supports USB in the first place, since USB cannot guarantee constant speed over transmission (something needed for constant bitrate video streaming/mini-DV). Your idea does show up in DisplayPort (DP), where if a device supports dual-mode DP it'll switch between LVDS (native DP signal) and TMDS (native DVI-D/HDMI signal). Dual-mode DP is a published standard, Firewire to USB is not.

You are more than welcome to correct me by pointing out a mini-DV recorder (or any Firewire device) that shares both USB and Firewire under a Firewire port. Till then it is fake.

Found my DV recorder. Surprisingly it is the same make and model as yours. This should be interesting.

Wow, that's really really weird that you have the same JVC model as me. Yeah, this will indeed be interesting as I sure as hell can't seem to get any luck removing the tearing. While most programs get rid of the interlacing crap, jittery/choppiness is prevalent no matter what settings I used, so let me know what you find out in your tests. And you're right about IEEE1394, digital video requires a constant, uninterrupted stream for data to process, USB cannot provide that in the least. AFAIK, USB sends data in chunks so to speak.

 

[trumpet-205]

Okay so I finished testing it using my Panasonic DVD/VCR player that has a Firewire port. Everything is normal there; no tearing, choppiness, etc.

I will test it on my PC later. You said you have used WInDV and VirtualDub. How about Windows Movie Maker?

 

[the_randomizer]

Okay so I finished testing it using my Panasonic DVD/VCR player that has a Firewire port. Everything is normal there; no tearing, choppiness, etc.

I will test it on my PC later. You said you have used WInDV and VirtualDub. How about Windows Movie Maker?

I haven't tried Windows Movie Make, so I'll need to download it. Yeah, on the camera, the playback is perfectly fine as I can see, it was when I captured the video is when it all went to hell. My PC is definitely not underpowered (3rd gen Core i5 3570 with 8 GB DDR3 SDRAM), so specs aren't an issue. I don't have a VCR to test it on unfortunately. I'll give WMM a try.

 

[the_randomizer]

How the hell do you even tell WMM to capture the video? There's no option.


Edit: DAMMIT

Still getting choppy/tearing frames. This sucks balls, I'm almost wanting to give up on this sodding thing


Just checked the playback on the camera, yep, getting choppiness on there too. Maybe I can reset the settings back to default.

Edit 2: Turns out the heads are likely dirty and need to cleaned.

Okay, given the fact I seem to have bad luck, maybe I should get one of those Canon PowerShot cameras that record in 1280 x 720 and on an SDXC/SDHC card...?

 

[pwsincd]

USB 1 or 2 dont support isyncronous modes , to allow set bandwidth streaming , as firewire does , however USB 3 does support it. Im not familiar enough with DV cameras to know which supports what (although i wouldnt imagine they'd have been made with USB3 in mind , just offered an i dea and software to randomizer , dont get yer knickers in a knot over it fella..

 

[the_randomizer]

USB 1 or 2 dont support isyncronous modes , to allow set bandwidth streaming , as firewire does , however USB 3 does support it. Im not familiar enough with DV cameras to know which supports what (although i wouldnt imagine they'd have been made with USB3 in mind , just offered an i dea and software to randomizer , dont get yer knickers in a knot over it fella..

It's all good, no worries. I already have the hardware set up and the camera I use can't use USB at all, it's out of the question (already have a firewire cable and card for it). After doing some sleuthing, turns out the issue is commonly related to the tape heads being dirty, nothing I can do unless I get a head cleaner. That, and the nature of dv is going to have such anomalies. The only other way around it is if I get a decent digital camera, many of which record at 1280 x 720 and uses SD/SDHC/SDXC cards; the videos on those are far smoother

 

[marcus134]

Turns out the heads are likely dirty and need to cleaned.

that would greatly help
also is your cam set on lp or sp? If I remember well, on my father's JVC, a little bit of tearing could be seen on lp, though not as much as what you're experiencing.

another point, while I haven't played enough with minidv to say if it could be an issue, I remember that floppies and VHS loose their properties after a certain amount of use or age.

 

[the_randomizer]

that would greatly help
also is your cam set on lp or sp? If I remember well, on my father's JVC, a little bit of tearing could be seen on lp, though not as much as what you're experiencing.

another point, while I haven't played enough with minidv to say if it could be an issue, I remember that floppies and VHS loose their properties after a certain amount of use or age.

The thing is, the mini DVs were hardly used at all, and I even tested a blank tape that hasn't been used yet. The mode is on SP though, so I haven't tried LP yet, so I would imagine the tearing wouldn't be as much of an issue. I don't know where I can get the head cleaners for it.

 

[Silterpy]

damn you randomizer. your making want to get a pet fox from all of your pics and the video
i used to "rip" dv tapes at school with premiere, but then again the camera was one of those "portable", and take that lightly because the camera weighed almost 15KG, news camera or a dv tape deck but the files where huge(20gb+ for some videos)

 

[trumpet-205]

USB 1 or 2 dont support isyncronous modes , to allow set bandwidth streaming , as firewire does , however USB 3 does support it. Im not familiar enough with DV cameras to know which supports what (although i wouldnt imagine they'd have been made with USB3 in mind , just offered an i dea and software to randomizer , dont get yer knickers in a knot over it fella..

Correct. Mini-DV is an old standard used by video recorder, which back then USB 3.0 doesn't exist. Now video recorder use AVCHD which store video in HDD, SD, or internal storage first.

It's all good, no worries. I already have the hardware set up and the camera I use can't use USB at all, it's out of the question (already have a firewire cable and card for it). After doing some sleuthing, turns out the issue is commonly related to the tape heads being dirty, nothing I can do unless I get a head cleaner. That, and the nature of dv is going to have such anomalies. The only other way around it is if I get a decent digital camera, many of which record at 1280 x 720 and uses SD/SDHC/SDXC cards; the videos on those are far smoother

What video recorder do you have in mind? Advantage of storing video into SD card is that you can simply put the card into a memory card reader and edit video file directly.

 

[marcus134]

I don't know where I can get the head cleaners for it.

do you really need to ask where?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-M...=US_Camcorder_Tapes_Discs&hash=item27be158129
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-AY-...84019109&sr=8-3&keywords=mini+dv+head+cleaner

 

[the_randomizer]

Correct. Mini-DV is an old standard used by video recorder, which back then USB 3.0 doesn't exist. Now video recorder use AVCHD which store video in HDD, SD, or internal storage first.

What video recorder do you have in mind? Advantage of storing video into SD card is that you can simply put the card into a memory card reader and edit video file directly.

Something from the Canon PowerShot series, as they seem to be a good camera for someone who doesn't want to spend a million dollars and I don't need an SLR at all (out of the question, too damned expensive IMO). That, the that series seems to also have many positive reviews; somewhere in the $90-$140 range would be sufficient I don't really need anything beyond 720p for recording.

As to which model of that series, not sure yet, but as long as it isn't super low-end

damn you randomizer. your making want to get a pet fox from all of your pics and the video

i used to "rip" dv tapes at school with premiere, but then again the camera was one of those "portable", and take that lightly because the camera weighed almost 15KG, news camera or a dv tape deck but the files where huge(20gb+ for some videos)

That's precisely why I post videos and pics of foxes, mwahahahahah! But yeah, I simply think it's the nature of DV tapes in general and that the heads are dirty. If had the funds, I'd get one of those Canon PowerShot cameras (SLRs are overkill for my needs, I don't need them, just want good pics of foxes and HD videos, which they can do). That, and the fact they are use SDHC cards helps a lot.

The only issue is some models seem to have "meh" results with quality.



Canon PowerShot ELPH 130 IS
http://tinyurl.com/kcwp78s

Canon PowerShot A2300
http://tinyurl.com/kc67ssv

Canon PowerShot A810
http://tinyurl.com/kqf9zyb

 

[Silterpy]

That's precisely why I post videos and pics of foxes, mwahahahahah! But yeah, I simply think it's the nature of DV tapes in general and that the heads are dirty. If had the funds, I'd get one of those Canon PowerShot cameras (SLRs are overkill for my needs, I don't need them, just want good pics of foxes and HD videos, which they can do). That, and the fact they are use SDHC cards helps a lot.

did your dad's camera come with a av cable? if it does maybe you can capture the video off of it with a capture card(if you have one)
also i wonder if Canadian laws allow foxes as pets and if my sister will allow me to get one when i move there(1 week left till move)

 

[the_randomizer]

did your dad's camera come with a av cable? if it does maybe you can capture the video off of it with a capture card(if you have one)
also i wonder if Canadian laws allow foxes as pets and if my sister will allow me to get one when i move there(1 week left till move)

If you look in my other posts, I already have a dv cable and a firewire card to capture everything as per instructions in the manual. It didn't come with a cable, but I got one super cheap. The dv simply has weird anomalies I can't avoid, a camera that uses SD to store movies on will have less issues. I was looking at the Canon PowerShot SX160 IS, which for the price gives a very good digital camera that's not an SLR and the video clarity is a crap load better than what digital video tapes can ever provide.

This is the camera I'm looking at, and has gotten very positive reviews and records at 1280 x 720 which is enough for my needs. DV simply has weird quirks with shakiness/jittery movements that one can't really avoid, but now that digital cameras have excellent audio/video recording features, my interactions with such animals can be captured at a nice resolution, and for a very reasonable price

http://tinyurl.com/kc6b5xe


As for foxes, I know some people in Canada that have foxes, I'm not 100% sure where though, I think it's feasible, just a real pain

 

[Silterpy]

I was looking at the Canon PowerShot SX160 IS, which for the price gives a very good digital camera that's not an SLR and the video clarity is a crap load better than what digital video tapes can ever provide.

This is the camera I'm looking at, and has gotten very positive reviews and records at 1280 x 720 which is enough for my needs. DV simply has weird quirks with shakiness/jittery movements that one can't really avoid, but now that digital cameras have excellent audio/video recording features, my interactions with such animals can be captured at a nice resolution, and for a very reasonable price

http://tinyurl.com/kc6b5xe


As for foxes, I know some people in Canada that have foxes, I'm not 100% sure where though, I think it's feasible, just a real pain

the PowerShot SX160 seams like it will be a ok camera for home videos and such. even with 720p its never going to be perfect.
i use a fujifilm finepix s2950 it cost me $214 altogether with tax w/o memory card. got it because its kind of like a SLR and it would let me take Panorama pictures and i needed that for school, alot more easier than photoshopping 3 or 4 picture together for school(for my grade) and because it has a very long zoom.
it also take 720p but it has a weird hissing sound because the mic is next to the lens motor so i have to use audacity to remove it and if there is not alot of light the video gets a little fuzzy

As for the foxes. i will try to learn about it a little more

its a big picture

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