New PS Vita Model

[the_randomizer]

LED/LCD are susceptible, but it has to take a very long time to happen. OLEDs are more susceptible than normal LEDs though. Now plasma on the other hand.....

 

[WiiUBricker]

Yes it does. I get the backlash when it comes to picture quality, OLED's are absolutely gorgeous displays in pretty much every way I can think of. The problem is as you said, HORRID burn-in and streaking. I've got a couple of Galaxy S phones with OLED displays and they both have the issues OLED displays suffer from. And every other device i've seen with an OLED display has developed the problem quickly if not immediately. Vita is no exception.

Again I adore the quality of OLED's, but the burn in and color streaking issues are admittedly a massive deal breaker and has turned me off of the tech. The new Vita model will lose out on raw picture quality, response rate, colors and black levels of course. But there IS actually something to be said about not having to deal with a lot of permanently burned in images and streaked colors.

If OLED tech can improve where such issues don't exist anymore then it will be an almost perfect display to me. Unfortunately i've seen very little attempt to really do much about it. OLED TV's might be a new thing, but smartphones have used the tech for years now and the problem seems to have not been addressed at all in that time frame...

Do those burn-in and streaking issues occur only on the highest brightness level?

 

[VMM]

I understand that OLED has several burn in issues,
but why didn't they choose LEDs instead of LCD?
Is it just for making it cheaper to produce?

 

[granville]

Do those burn-in and streaking issues occur only on the highest brightness level?

Nope, not for me. Any brightness level from my experience (including my own Galaxy S phones) seems to suffer from this problem. In fact i've noticed the predominant color used in an image can make the burn in more or less intense. Blue colors seem to show the streaking and burn in more than other colors such as red or green (though it's still apparent on all colors). Only when displaying pure black or close to it do the burn in problems basically disappear, though that's largely because the OLED is almost off (not quite but almost) when it's displaying black.

LCD and LED can also suffer screen burn in. No technology is 100% safe from burn in.


Even for OLED, burn in only happens when static images is displayed for hours. Taking breaks after an hour or two gameplay is what everyone should be doing anyway.

From my experience it didn't take very long for my Galaxy S phones to start showing burned in images and color streaking. It didn't even take hours to start showing traces of burned in images, and switching the display off for a bit didn't help it like it does for plasma. In fact, even when they were brand new they already had noticeable and rather nasty signs of color streaking, especially on certain predominantly blue and gray colors (i'm talking about the very first time I powered the devices on too, not after using them for an hour or so). OLED's seem to have a very uneven decay rate on specific colors (I suspect blue shades may decay more quickly than reds and greens). It doesn't take long or very much for them to start permanently retaining images, it seems to be even more severe and quick to occur than early plasma models. I've taken precautions since I first bought them to attempt to prevent the issues from occurring. My precautions appear to have been ineffective.

I've not had any LCD displays in my life that suffered from any burned in images. At least nothing I was able to notice. For example, I have a very cheapo and now aging Vizio TV i'm currently using as my primary PC monitor (and have been for years now since about 2009 or so), it is quite frequently left idle on static images for quite a long time and hasn't suffered from any noticeable traces of burn in from what I can tell. I don't babysit my LCD TV and take preventative measures to keep it from suffering from burn in and never had a problem yet. Compared to my OLED smartphone which I have actively tried to take precautions to prevent burn in and it still ended up getting it...

I understand that OLED has several burn in issues,
but why didn't they choose LEDs instead of LCD?
Is it just for making it cheaper to produce?

As far as i'm aware, "LED" displays are just LCD using LED's for backlighting purposes. At least that's the case with "LED TV's" (which are again still LCD TV's, just with LED's for lighting purposes). OLED is a completely different display tech from LCD, each individual pixel is an "LED" so to speak.
Though I confess I don't know what is used as the predominant backlighting method in most portable backlit LCD displays. I know a compact kind of florescent light has often been used in the past, but I dunno about specific displays such as PSP, 3DS or the new Vita model... I'm not the one to ask here.

 

[trumpet-205]

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My old Panasonic 26" LCD HDTV (first gen HDTV) developed screen burn in despite the fact that I don't use it for extended hours (at most 3 hours straight). On the other hand my Vita has yet to develop screen burn in.

If you noticed screen problems very early on with your Galaxy S it has more to do with screen defects.

And yes, LED (technically as LED-LCD) is still a type of LCD panel. Traditional LCD use CCFL as backlight.

 

[PityOnU]

Colors!

 

[relminator]

My Galaxy S started to show burn-ins after 2 years of heavy work. Not noticeable unless you have a pure white display.

My galaxy s3 seems fine for now after a year. no burn-ins.

After being pampered with amoleds, I see my daughter's xperia with the bravia white pixel engine and it looks really bad. The psp 3000's lcd looks more vibrant.

 

[lovewiibrew]

It still has no gaems.

 

[the_randomizer]

My old Panasonic 26" LCD HDTV (first gen HDTV) developed screen burn in despite the fact that I don't use it for extended hours (at most 3 hours straight). On the other hand my Vita has yet to develop screen burn in.

If you noticed screen problems very early on with your Galaxy S it has more to do with screen defects.

And yes, LED (technically as LED-LCD) is still a type of LCD panel. Traditional LCD use CCFL as backlight.

Yep, LED backlit LCDs use a white LED backlight (usually) and the other type of LCD screens use CCFL which has an often worse lifespan than the LED backlights. Never had burn-in issues with standard LCD or LED backlit LCD screens. Now if they only made their memory cards 50% cheaper, maybe I'd get a Vita


Edit: Guess I will start calling LED screens LCD screens.

 

[ViRGE]

Yep, LED uses a white LED backlight (usually) and LCD uses CCFL which has an often worse lifespan than the LED backlights. Never had burn-in issues with standard LCD or LED LCD screens. Now if they only made their memory cards 50% cheaper, maybe I'd get a Vita

Not to pick on you in particular, but I'd like to make something very clear here. When we're talking about consumer electronics it is completely wrong to call it an "LED" display. It is always an LCD screen; either it is a CCFL backlit LCD screen, or an LED backlit LCD screen. It's very important not to call an LED backlit LCD an "LED" display, because we're always talking about the transmittance layer, not the backlight.

An LED display is something else entirely. Jumbotrons for example are LED displays. Organic LED (OLED) in turn is something different yet (though based on similar principles).

In summary.

Your monitor: An LCD display. It may be LED backlit or CCFL backlit
Your PS Vita 1000: An OLED display.
Your PS Vita 2000: An LCD display
Your Jumbotron (at the sports stadium you own): An LED display

If LED displays didn't exist, then shorting the name would be mildly annoying but fine. But since they do exist it's very important to make a clear distinction between an LCD with LED backlighting, and a true LED display.

 

[nl255]

What are the chances the 64GB memory cards will work in the original Vita? Probably not very good.

 

[GameWinner]

What are the chances the 64GB memory cards will work in the original Vita? Probably not very good.

It should work.

 

[Satangel]

Another remake closer to me purchasing this one. Said from the release that I'd pick this one up eventually, when it was the same Emulation beast the PSP was. Still planning on doing the same, just buying it for very cheap when it's near the end of its lifetime. It's a nice platform and all, but not a lot of titles that interest me atm, some multiplat titles but I doubt they'll really be worth it in the end.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

At it's worst it's an Ouya that isn't shit. Mostly the same social networking apps with a game library that is not shit.

At it's best it's an affordable console solution or a better way to play those Vita games you wanted but never wanted a Vita for.

 

[Veho]

At it's worst it's an Ouya that isn't shit. Mostly the same social networking apps with a game library that is not shit.
At it's best it's an affordable console solution or a better way to play those Vita games you wanted but never wanted a Vita for.

Are you posting this in the right thread?

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Are you posting this in the right thread?

Oh, nope, sorry.

This is awkward, let me just copy paste.

 

[Silterpy]

the only thing that i don't like about my 1st gen vita, is where the start/select buttons are located.
i would have liked it more, if there were in the same location that the psp's buttons were located

 

[Tokiopop]

Would have bought this if they stuck with the OLED.

 

[Sakitoshi]

does anyone know that the Vita keeps the saves embedded with the apps??
so doesn't matter if you have 1GB of internal storage THE FUCKING SAVES WILL STILL BE ON THE EXTERNAL MEMORY WITHIN YOUR GAEMZZZ
you can install the social apps and all that shit on the internal memory though.

 

[VMM]

It still has no gaems.

Let's not make this a topic of "PSVita has no games".
This topic should be used to talk about the new hardware, benefits, cons,
and what's your opinion about this.

We all know Vita doesn't have a big library of games.
There are some nice titles just released/coming for it,
Boderlands, Rayman Legends, Walking Dead, The Amazing Spiderman.
Although these titles are already avaiable on other platforms,
it's nice to have a portable version.
There are also many exclusive japanese titles, especially JRPG ones.

PSP also had a slow start but now it have already sold more than 70 million units worldwide
and have many unique and brilliant titles.
I bet the same will happen to PSVita.

Oh, nope, sorry.


This is awkward, let me just copy paste.

hahahaha
You tought this was the PSVita TV topic, right?

I think it's the latter, it's an affordable solution for home consoles,
and I say even more, it's an alternative for people who would love to play some portable titles,
not limited to a 5' screen size, and with a more confortable controller.
It's also an alternative for oldschoolers who would love to play PS1 titles,
but without needing to buy a PS3 or PS4 for it.

If PSVita TV gets hacked, it would be the perfect machine for oldschoolers.
With PSVita raw power, every console below sixth generation should be playable just fine.