Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[Rydian]

If you don't run the program, none of it applies to you. You're just complaining that his software and ideals don't match yours, since he's not actually doing anything to you.

If you're actually against this on a moral standpoint and feel this strongly (A.K.A. not just bitching because wahhh he's not coding this free software the way I want it wahhh), then do something about it. Code your own loader.

 

[Aractus]

Perhaps no, you're right I don't run his program. I only have one NTSC retail disc for GC and that's the Sonic Mega Collection - hardly worth running Devolution for that.

Why? Well I'm just adding my voice to those who have already voiced their concerns over this. As I mentioned before, I and plenty of others are contributing members to the larger gaming community.

I never said he can please everyone, and I understand no matter how the program turns out that it probably won't please everyone. That said, intentionally creating barriers and using labels to name "groups" of people who you disagree with certainly isn't the way in which to please people.

It wouldn't bother me so much if the PAL and NTSC versions worked the same, then I'd see it as an annoyance, but not a barrier. But the fact is they don't, and we have a choice over whether to play the crippled versions that Nintendo released in our countries, or the unfettered foreign releases that Nintendo chose not to offer us.

You know those retail DVD's you own, that when you put them into your DVD player they force you to watch the anti-piracy videos and wouldn't let you skip the vid? They stopped making them like that years ago, but that's what it's like. It's like when I go to watch one of those DVD's and I'm confronted with a message that's in my face, and that I've already heard, and the only reason I'm forced to listen to it is because I didn't rip my disc and make an MPEG4 instead.

 

[Saturosias]

He's [...] treating you, me, and everyone else like thieves.

He's not treating you like a thief.

You have a modchip in your Wii because you are a thief pirate, whatever, you're stupidly acting innocent and defensive either way.

 

[Rydian]

My biggest beef is that the program grants you much more ability than you have over the official software. You can load via USB and even use alternative controllers and other tweaks. In addition, the legit check is only done once, versus the official loading which needs the original media each time. The program adds features and removes limitations from the way the Wii works natively.

If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't try to claim that anybody is forcing you to do anything in order to make your point seem important. Devolution does not affect anything else on your Wii, nor are you required at any point for anything to install or even admit that it exists.

So it adds features and removes limits, and you do need to use it.
But people like you come in and claim that you're being forced to use it, and that it takes away abilities and shit? Come on.

Look at it from an objective standpoint and see how silly you're being.

 

[Aractus]

Silly?

One important feature to me is 480p. I only get this from the NTSC versions. My discs are all PAL (with the exception of one). If Devolution could force 480p in a way that was as stable and reliable as running from the NTSC version, then I wouldn't complain. However it cannot offer this, and instead tells me that in order to appreciate the features that it brings, I can no longer play using a version of the game different to the one I legally own...

To me, that is silly.

 

[NostalgicMillennial]

ugh...for fucks sake. it's caled WiiGATOR. (put 4 GC games on one DVD and be done with it

he probably added DRM because it's much easier to use that WiiGator and if it's easier to use..more people will use it

= ease of use + more people using it + more VG corporation attention = lawsuit. especially that he's easily traceable via GBATEMP. (which big N woulden't have any problem contacting VBulletin and demanding his IP address if shit really went hairy) [ala: NSMB AU leak anyone?]

if I made a program to be a dirty pirate bastard...and made it easy as pie to use...that would certainly increase my chances of a corporation sending me lawsuit or C+D papers.

it's a little tricky to use WiiGator's stuff...hence why it WiiGator made it to be a Warez loader. [if that's yo thang]

That would be like if a iPhone hacker released a hack that allowed pirated .IPA files without the need for jailbreak, proof of tampering or any of that complicated garbage. You can guarantee that would get apple's attention more than another jailbreak exploit being released.

the DRM in the program is the developer covering his ass from the ready to assrape Nintendo. Especially since they are still relishing in their recent R4 lawsuit win. I will honestly tell you that I WILL never use it. But that doesn't mean it's a bad product. It means simply it's not for me. Don't like the DRM. Buy the game and quit bitchin' or Patch MIOS, CiOS and all the other shit required and use DIOS MIOS, WiiGator or Waninkoko schtuff like what we did before this was around to debate about.

Besides. I like being able to play Megaman Collection. Megaman X Collection. WarioWorld. Megaman Network Transmission, Soul Calibur II and Chibi-Robo on the fly one on DVD. [moot for someone with a broken drive] But that's me.

PS: props to the DRM. It's hard to crack which means he did his homework and research.

 

[Saturosias]

(which big N woulden't have any problem contacting VBulletin and demanding his IP address if shit really went hairy) [ala: NSMB AU leak anyone?]

Erm, vBulletin/IPB simply licenses out its board software, it does not have any legal possession of logs or content relating to the site it operates on.

 

[NostalgicMillennial]

Erm, vBulletin/IPB simply licenses out its board software, it does not have any legal possession of logs or content relating to the site it operates on.

oh excuse me. we recently changed to "XenForo"[doie ] and Nintendo would use their legal channels to locate him if they wanted to. this stunt is just giving them less reasons to hunt him down predator style.

 

[Rydian]

Silly?

One important feature to me is 480p. I only get this from the NTSC versions. My discs are all PAL (with the exception of one). If Devolution could force 480p in a way that was as stable and reliable as running from the NTSC version, then I wouldn't complain. However it cannot offer this, and instead tells me that in order to appreciate the features that it brings, I can no longer play using a version of the game different to the one I legally own...

To me, that is silly.

I wasn't saying that your want of it was silly in the first place (obviously USB loading with patches is a nice thing), I'm saying that when a program removes limitations and adds features, that claiming it limits you and lacks features is silly.

It's like somebody offers you sexual favors and you complain they won't do (insert kink here).

 

[the_randomizer]

Silly?

One important feature to me is 480p. I only get this from the NTSC versions. My discs are all PAL (with the exception of one). If Devolution could force 480p in a way that was as stable and reliable as running from the NTSC version, then I wouldn't complain. However it cannot offer this, and instead tells me that in order to appreciate the features that it brings, I can no longer play using a version of the game different to the one I legally own...

To me, that is silly.

Or, you could, use Dios Mios. As far as I know, that force-enables NTSC without any issues, and you can force 480p last I checked. Have you tried that program? I find it to be a nice alternative.

 

[Aractus]

I do use dios mios, and no force-480p is buggy as hell. Anyway, you don't have to agree with my comments. My comments were about the DRM, and why I find it redundant.

 

[the_randomizer]

I do use dios mios, and no force-480p is buggy as hell. Anyway, you don't have to agree with my comments. My comments were about the DRM, and why I find it redundant.

Meh, to each their own I suppose

 

[tHciNc]

oh excuse me. we recently changed to "XenForo"[doie ] and Nintendo would use their legal channels to locate him if they wanted to. this stunt is just giving them less reasons to hunt him down predator style.

The NSMB guy, got busted cause he posted the receipt of purchase without blanking anything, possibly even used a bankcard, it openly showed the dick smiths it was bought from and what time and N went from there. And i dont see them coming down on devo author if there wasnt ap, opening leaking a game a week before retail, with a play by play of you uploading it is a bit different

 

[Rydian]

I do use dios mios, and no force-480p is buggy as hell. Anyway, you don't have to agree with my comments. My comments were about the DRM, and why I find it redundant.

And finding the DRM/AP redundant is fine (obviously people agree with that basic point as this thread exists), but don't make false claims.

 

[osm70]

ugh...for fucks sake. it's caled WiiGATOR. (put 4 GC games on one DVD and be done with it

he probably added DRM because it's much easier to use that WiiGator and if it's easier to use..more people will use it

= ease of use + more people using it + more VG corporation attention = lawsuit. especially that he's easily traceable via GBATEMP. (which big N woulden't have any problem contacting VBulletin and demanding his IP address if shit really went hairy) [ala: NSMB AU leak anyone?]

if I made a program to be a dirty pirate bastard...and made it easy as pie to use...that would certainly increase my chances of a corporation sending me lawsuit or C+D papers.

it's a little tricky to use WiiGator's stuff...hence why it WiiGator made it to be a Warez loader. [if that's yo thang]

That would be like if a iPhone hacker released a hack that allowed pirated .IPA files without the need for jailbreak, proof of tampering or any of that complicated garbage. You can guarantee that would get apple's attention more than another jailbreak exploit being released.

the DRM in the program is the developer covering his ass from the ready to assrape Nintendo. Especially since they are still relishing in their recent R4 lawsuit win. I will honestly tell you that I WILL never use it. But that doesn't mean it's a bad product. It means simply it's not for me. Don't like the DRM. Buy the game and quit bitchin' or Patch MIOS, CiOS and all the other shit required and use DIOS MIOS, WiiGator or Waninkoko schtuff like what we did before this was around to debate about.

Besides. I like being able to play Megaman Collection. Megaman X Collection. WarioWorld. Megaman Network Transmission, Soul Calibur II and Chibi-Robo on the fly one on DVD. [moot for someone with a broken drive] But that's me.

PS: props to the DRM. It's hard to crack which means he did his homework and research.

That program already exists.

 

[NostalgicMillennial]

That program already exists.

ORLY? no need to jailbreak?..see i'm an Android guy..and I didn't know this ...news to me point hop..but hopefully you see my point I hope

yep. it does exist: wow http://iosgeeksblog.blogspot.com/20...pa-files-directly-on-iphone-with-ifunbox.html

 

[osm70]

ORLY? no need to jailbreak?..see i'm an Android guy..and I didn't know this ...news to me point hop..but hopefully you see my point I hope

yep. it does exist: wow http://iosgeeksblog.blogspot.com/20...pa-files-directly-on-iphone-with-ifunbox.html

Actually that program needs jailbreak.
I was talking about ihelper.

 

[NostalgicMillennial]

Actually that program needs jailbreak.
I was talking about ihelper.

pasted wrong link hehe..was doing research...BUT I DIGRESS. an Example of something like this: what if the creator of iHelper was exposed and could be tracked via username on a forum? That's just it. It looks like an unknown foreign source created it. But here we have someone who is exposed because they took credit for the program and thus can be tracked back to.

 

[Aractus]

And finding the DRM/AP redundant is fine (obviously people agree with that basic point as this thread exists), but don't make false claims.

It's not a false claim if it removes/limits a feature that's important to me (and probably important to most people with PAL games). You're technically right that the system can't run ISO files, however, that doesn't negate the point. My wii is a launch-model with a wii-key and can boot the games from the disc channel from DVD-R. In fact, my Wii seems to dislike GC and (Wii) DL discs for some reason, and actually works better with DVD-R's compared to the original GC discs.

My point is not just that AP is redundant, but the game released in Australia cost ~$99 compared to US versions costing half that. What that means, essentially, is that Nintendo profited significantly more from me buying Australian version GC games, than if I had bought every game from Amazon.com in the first place. So, my collection of GC games = (much) more profit for Nintendo than, say, an american's collection of equal size. Tueidj doesn't have to cater to everyone to acknowledge the fact that Nintendo has made their profit on their PAL version that I own, and if I want to play the NTSC version - which tueidj disagrees with - because it offers a benefit to me (480p) - it doesn't negate the fact that I already paid more for the game, and Nintendo profited, compared to the version that I want to play!

Why do you think I installed a Wiikey? Yes, it was so I could buy import games for $49 instead of the Australian releases for $99. That's a huge benefit. Well don't get me started on "two tier marketing". I'll say that around 50% of my DVD's are imported and probably ~90% of my Blurays, and it's not because I don't want to support local distributors, it's because I'm fundamentally opposed to price-fixing. You know, one of my favourite movies is Blade Runner, and the DVD I own is Brittish, and the Bluray I own is American!

I still play my SNES games on a real (albeit modified) SNES. And, although I could easily dl + use the shared versions online, every game I play I've copied from the original cartridge myself. So if the SNES loader (Snes9x) wanted to verify my games, it could have at it, and would be no trouble to me. I just love playing my PAL DKC 1, 2 & 3 games @ 60Hz (which is faster than they were intended to run). There's no SNES game that's important to me that I don't have an original cartridge for.

But as for GC, as I said, I paid ~$99/game for my games. Back then I didn't have a 480p TV. I now have a great TV, and I loathe the idea of being forced to play in 60i.

You can take or leave my comments, they're not dishonest, I'm simply stating my opinion.

 

[Etheboss]

Still you are attacking the wrong person, you should go to your own government for it..

The only reason i can think of why the games are way more expensive...is real high taxes.
Which is weird in my book because Australia is right around the corner of Japan, logic would mean europe has to deal with the highest prices...but we pay about the same as the USA for games.

Other than that, tueidj made devolution from scratch with closed source and with no donations at all, and lets us use it,we should not complain about it.