Patcher is at it again

[grossaffe]

Why are we paying Pachter any mind?

 

[the_randomizer]

Why are we paying Pachter any mind?

He's an attention whore

 

[TripleSMoon]

Even though most are lacking in depth and even more so are quite frankly shovelware (fucking Angry Birds), they are still games.

How is Angry Birds shovelware? Last I checked, shovelware generally refers to glitchy, broken, and otherwise unfinished games that don't function as intended and yet have been put on the market. I'm not the biggest of Angry Birds fans, but from what I've played of it, it definitely doesn't fit the definition of shovelware.

 

[chyyran]

How is Angry Birds shovelware? Last I checked, shovelware generally refers to glitchy, broken, and otherwise unfinished games that don't function as intended and yet have been put on the market. I'm not the biggest of Angry Birds fans, but from what I've played of it, it definitely doesn't fit the definition of shovelware.

Oh, I meant that Angry Birds lacks depth. Not that it's shovelware. Bleh. I meant to put it before the shovelware comment.

 

[Foxi4]

Actually, for once his analysis was very apt. Nintendo did wait 2 years too long with releasing the WiiU and the competition has indeed passed by them at this point. EA has pulled out most of its support, Ubisoft already stated that they will only release multiplatform titles on the system and no exclusives so yeah, the WiiU is shaping up to be a typically first-party platform for the most part. In addition, the full quote (which the OP cut in half in order to pull it out of context and make it sound like fanboyism) was:

"(...) and this PS4 priced 50 bucks more than a WiiU... I mean, why would anybody buy a WiiU? Y'know, unless they just have to play Nintendo games. I think the way it actually shakes out is anybody who buys a WiiU, who really is a hardcore gamer is gonna buy a PS4 or an XBox One in addition so they can play those third party titles that they love (...)"

Which changes the equation entirely. Patcher acknowledges the fact that the Nintendo fanbase is still going to buy the WiiU for the sake of Nintendo games, but he does underline that due to hardware inferiority, Nintendo's in trouble in the sense that developers may not be too keen to develop multiplatform titles for it unless it sells in quadrillions (which it doesn't right now).

 

[Black-Ice]

Why are we paying Pachter any mind?

Anyone who posts negativity against big mainstream companies/games gets attention here.

 

[Foxi4]

Why are we paying Pachter any mind?

Anyone who posts negativity against big mainstream companies/games gets attention here.

Sort of makes you wonder if people commenting here and disagreeing with the guy actually listened to what he had to say. Watch the whole video and you'll see that he makes a good few valid points. He may have very little credibility, but for once he said something that makes sense, and not in a "doomsday" fashion, just with a healthy dose of realist thinking.

 

[Black-Ice]

Watch the video

Hey
Foxi

HEY

no.

 

[Foxi4]

Hey
Foxi

HEY

no.

> Didn't watch the video
> Dismisses it

Okay. Very objective and thoughtful of you. The fact that he said a quadrillion stupid things in the past doesn't mean that he can't have a sudden stroke of genuis and say something that makes sense when all the right planets align.

 

[Black-Ice]

> Didn't watch the video
> Dismisses it

Okay. Very objective and thoughtful of you.

Critic posted on gbatemp= Someone who says 1 fact mixed in with 5 mins of witty banter against a company or big franchise, which appeals to humour buds of those who like to hate things.

And that's all i'll say on the matter.

 

[Foxi4]

Critic posted on gbatemp= Someone who says 1 fact mixed in with 5 mins of witty banter against a company or big franchise, which appeals to humour buds of those who like to hate things.

And that's all i'll say on the matter.

And all I'll say on the matter is that you didn't listen to what he had to say so you cannot objectively say that it was stupid just because "his name is Patcher" - that's not how the real world works. If you don't know what he said, you just don't know if it made sense or not, fact. You think you're being witty here but you're being a bit ignorant, plus a "hater" like the ones you've described, except towards an analyst rather than a company.

 

[yuyuyup]

So now Patcher is talking shit about the ORIGINAL NES ? It is difficult to take this guy seriously. I mean, I REALIZE Microsoft backpedaled on a lot of their xboner bullshit (still mandatory kinect, still $500, etc.) But Patcher wants to roll the dice betting on MS, even after whiffing his Wii 1 failure projection? I would think he would be a little less belligerent. But no. He decides to ape the NES.

 

[Foxi4]

So now Patcher is talking shit about the ORIGINAL NES ? It is difficult to take this guy seriously. I mean, I REALIZE Microsoft backpedaled on a lot of their xboner bullshit (still mandatory kinect, still $500, etc.) But Patcher wants to roll the dice betting on MS, even after whiffing his Wii 1 failure projection? I would think he would be a little less belligerent. But no. He decides to ape the NES.

At no point during this interview does he criticize the original NES. What he actually says is that a large portion of the NES library consists of first-party titles (which isn't really all that accurate considering the fact that the NES had strong third-party support, but most of those third party games are in the realm of obscurity now).

 

[yuyuyup]

At no point during this interview does he criticize the original NES. What he actually says is that a large portion of the NES library consists of first-party titles (which isn't really all that accurate considering the fact that the NES had strong third-party support, but most of those third party games are in the realm of obscurity now).

"...the Wii U is a Nintendo-only gaming device which is they way they were back with the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985."

He is trying to throw mud at Nintendo by dredging up ancient figures and drastically different scenarios (the rebirth of the game industry vs current generation.) He DID criticize the NES lack of 3rd party titles and used that as a bludgeon.

Yes, I know that MOST 3rd party NES titles are obscure, but why even mention that at all? It STILL had strong third party support.

 

[Foxi4]

"...the Wii U is a Nintendo-only gaming device which is they way they were back with the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985."

He is trying to throw mud at Nintendo by dredging up ancient figures and drastically different scenarios (the rebirth of the game industry vs current generation.) He DID criticize the NES lack of 3rd party titles and used that as a bludgeon.

Yes, I know that MOST 3rd party NES titles are obscure, but why even mention that at all? It STILL had strong third party support.

I suppose it depends on your interpretation. The way I understood it was that the system is clearly aimed at Nintendo developers rather than general purpose development similarily to the NES and other consoles of that period. It certainly didn't seem like an insult to me, but if it was intended as such then it's a blunder seeing that the NES single-handedly pulled the world out of the video game crash. Third-party support on the NES was fenomenal for its time.

 

[Dust2dust]

Last I checked, shovelware generally refers to glitchy, broken, and otherwise unfinished games that don't function as intended and yet have been put on the market.

By that definition, shouldn't we assume that most of the latest Bethesda Softworks games are shovelware?

Shovelware, to me, is software that is simple, quickly and cheaply produced, usually sold at a discount when released, and rushed to the market to profit from unexperienced buyers not doing their homework to see if the game is worthwhile before buying. It still might be 100% bug free, but only good for the bargain bin, as far as most of us are concerned.

 

[EzekielRage]

Nothing is 100% bugfree.

But your definition of shovelware is spot on

As for Pachter, the man is an analyst. he analyzes the market and tells ivnestors what he THINKS will happen. That does nto make it true. As for Nintendo, I don't agree that they launched the Wii U too late, I also don't agree that it is underpowered because so far it is the strognest console out there. Sure, the new ones NOT OUT YET will be stronger but that does not mean squad. It never has, it never will. If all you care for is power, play on a PC. He is right about the main question though:
Why would anybody want a Wii U? And thiks question has been answered here but the idea behind the question is ignored, thatks to overzealous fanboys.

• I got a Wii U to play Nintendo titles. Mario, Zelda, the usual. I am not a Nintendo fanboy but I do like their games so I have to get their systems. simple. I think most Nintendo fans get a Wii U eventually.
• Somebody who doesnt like Nintendo wont get the console.
• Parents probably wont get it since they believe its a Wii with a new controler

And that right there is it. It is Nintendos job to make sure that people WANT the Wii U. But Nintendo failed at that miserably and now they try to rectify this. I believe it can work, I think they can still turn this ship around. We all just have to wait and see^^

 

[Foxi4]

As for Nintendo, I don't agree that they launched the Wii U too late, I also don't agree that it is underpowered because so far it is the strognest console out there.

...in comparison to last generation systems which are 8-7 years old at this point. Woo-hoo? He's entirely right - the WiiU is ready to compete with the PS3 and the 360... at the end of the PS3's and 360's life cycles. Of course it was released too late.

I got a Wii U to play Nintendo titles. Mario, Zelda, the usual. I am not a Nintendo fanboy but I do like their games so I have to get their systems. simple. I think most Nintendo fans get a Wii U eventually.

...and another console in addition if the WiiU continues to go down the downward spiral of lack of third-party support.

Somebody who doesnt like Nintendo wont get the console.

Rule applies to everything in the history of ever that can be obtained.

Parents probably wont get it since they believe its a Wii with a new controler

Overgeneralization. There's this thing called "dialogue" - if a kid would love to get a WiiU for Christmas/Birthday/Hanuka/Quanza/Whatever, said kid is going to inform them about it in some fashion, even if they're technologically illiterate. The big problem here is getting that kid to want the system.

And that right there is it. It is Nintendos job to make sure that people WANT the Wii U. But Nintendo failed at that miserably and now they try to rectify this. I believe it can work, I think they can still turn this ship around. We all just have to wait and see^^

Oh, of course they can turn this ship around - they have to aim at the niche created by the Wii and sell a low-cost alternative system with its own exclusive titles. The WiiU still has about 2-3 years of multiplatform titles to enjoy but after that time, it will just run out of steam and either won't be able to push the latest and greatest engines or it will use heavily watered down versions... that is, if it starts selling - otherwise nobody will develop for it.

 

[the_randomizer]

Exactly. They have the power to undo (most) of the damage done by simply fixing the marketing and pointing it in the right direction. Only then will the Wii U recover, but it's by no means going be an easy route.

 

[grossaffe]

Sort of makes you wonder if people commenting here and disagreeing with the guy actually listened to what he had to say. Watch the whole video and you'll see that he makes a good few valid points. He may have very little credibility, but for once he said something that makes sense, and not in a "doomsday" fashion, just with a healthy dose of realist thinking.

That's like telling me to watch a video of what Fred Phelps has to say before commenting. Pachter is a troll and has no credibility, so I have no plans to listen to the crap that spews out of his mouth. As the saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day, but I certainly won't refer to that clock to tell me what time it is.