Remote Play for "all" PS4 games

[notmeanymore]

I have a Wii U. I have a Ps3 and a PSP. I know how remote play works for that and I understand how this will work. There are enough similarities to compare the two. That and all the posts about how stupid or what a bad idea the game pad is gives me a valid point. Then again, I expected you would probably troll another post of mine with a critical analysis of it. The way you jock my balls here, I feel like you might have a crush on me. Funny, considering I'm not at all impressed with any of your cynical spam comments.

There's a whole plethora of differences between the two. Remote play is entirely peripheral for the user; the Wii U tablet controller is the defining feature of the console, what it's entirely built around. Remote play is simply used to play the game remotely (well, duh); the Wii U tablet can do this, yes, but its touchscreen can also be used to control the game or to provide extra information (HUD, minimaps, etc.) to the game played on the television. I'd go on about the physical differences between the handheld Vita and the Wii U's tablet, but that should be pretty self-evident.

I'm not sure what good is being accomplished by the back and forth commentary, but I will say that there are three things that set the WiiU's tablet apart from Sony's Remote Play:

1. "Inability to standalone" The WiiU's tablet is unable to work without the console within range. The Vita can be picked up and taken anywhere and you can play your Vita games anywhere.
2. "Asymmetrical gameplay" One of the things that always intrigued me about the WiiU is the ability for 4 players to play together while one of them (the tablet holder) is doing something different. Simple concept that could have profound effect on the future of game design.
3. "Second screen's purpose" From the information given in this thread, it seems that the Vita can only be used as an alternative to your TV and your DualShock 4. The WiiU's tablet can be used in that way, and can also be used to display unique content to make gameplay easier. (Something akin to playing Phoenix Wright on a DS instead of a GBA.)

 

[hhs]

Heh heh, girlfriend doesn't want the TV in the bedroom. I think I just got a workaround.

 

[Maxternal]

Other than all the subtle personal attacks here, I think the point we're debating here is whether the vita will be able to be used to show a DIFFERENT image than what's on the TV screen. The ability for the ps4 to transmit the TV image to something else has been all too clear from its announcement. It's theoretically possible to have it display a separate image as well but how is the main question (assuming the actually take the effort to do it) if the GPU is already set up to render 2 different images to 2 different screens (a la wii u) it would be ideal but it's always achievable by just uploading executable code to the vita and having it render it's own images (a la gba+gc) although more work for the developer that way.

 

[SpaceJump]

This is awesome and definitly a reason for me to buy the PS4!

 

[Guild McCommunist]

If reports are correct you can also play this over any WiFi connection. Meaning I could be at a friend's house and my PS4 could be at my house and I could still stream.

And really the PS3 isn't terribly accurate for comparison because Sony has emphasized that the PS4 has hardware aimed towards cloud streaming.

 

[Bobbybangin]

Other than all the subtle personal attacks here, I think the point we're debating here is whether the vita will be able to be used to show a DIFFERENT image than what's on the TV screen. The ability for the ps4 to transmit the TV image to something else has been all too clear from its announcement. It's theoretically possible to have it display a separate image as well but how is the main question (assuming the actually take the effort to do it) if the GPU is already set up to render 2 different images to 2 different screens (a la wii u) it would be ideal but it's always achievable by just uploading executable code to the vita and having it render it's own images (a la gba+gc) although more work for the developer that way.

I was just making a simple observation with my statement. From the time the Wii U was announced up until I've seen posts in just about every gaming forum saying how stupid the game pad is or how it was a bad idea. Yet I noticed in contrast how the Vita remote idea is met with a generally warm reception. I wasn't calling either one a good or bad idea. Regardless, I was met with flaming and details on how they differ even though nobody has yet to try it on a PS4 outside of developers. Ironically, the differences don't seem to matter when comparing the fact that remote play was done on the PS3/PSP first. Although, if you want to get technical it was done on the Dreamcast VMU first even though that's a terrible comparison. It seems that my biggest mistake was not crowning Sony champion for this idea or outright saying I agree with it. That seems to be the biggest reason I get flamed on this site, by saying something too pro-Nintendo or anti-Sony...not in so many words, but you get my point.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

The game pad is a stupid idea because it's a shoehorned big screen that is basically mandatory for every game. It's a lot like motion controls on the Wii, sometimes it's perfect but a lot of the time it's just a really useless gimmick that you HAVE to use. Yeah, people say "Devs don't HAVE to use the game pad!" but considering it's the primary controller for the Wii U, yeah you basically do.

The Vita on the other hand is an accessory, and the remote play does certainly have advantages over gamepad play. Such as streaming over WiFi so you can play your PS4 games on a Vita at a completely different location from your PS4. It's certainly not a mandatory gameplay aspect.

The Vita and the gamepad are like apples and oranges.

 

[Devin]

Pretty awesome. I did some remote streaming on my CFW PS3 with the Vita and was impressed. But I definitely picked the "private network" option so the speed would be somewhat decent. I was able to play Ni No Kuni, and some emulators while laying in bed. Which was pretty awesome.

 

[Bobbybangin]

The game pad is a stupid idea because it's a shoehorned big screen that is basically mandatory for every game.

I don't have to use it for NSMBWU. If there are any more games like Other M or Donkey Kong Country returns it will probably be the same. But thank you for disagreeing without insulting or dissecting my post with a psychological analysis of it. Not that I had you pegged for that type in the first place. I should also mention that I think this is a cool idea too. If you got it, might as well use it. I like the game pad too. I didn't use remote play on the PS3 too much because I didn't find it too useful. Then again, I never really found my PSP all that useful. But I'm sure Sony will ultimately make this more useful especially in light of the Wii U game pad. Depending on Sony's drm stance with the PS4 I might own one and take advantage of it. Hard to tell with the way Sony's president made light of the drm issue via his twitter post.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I don't have to use it for NSMBWU. If there are any more games like Other M or Donkey Kong Country returns it will probably be the same. But thank you for disagreeing without insulting or dissecting my post with a psychological analysis of it. Not that I had you pegged for that type in the first place. I should also mention that I think this is a cool idea too. If you got it, might as well use it. I like the game pad too. I didn't use remote play on the PS3 too much because I didn't find it too useful. Then again, I never really found my PSP all that useful. But I'm sure Sony will ultimately make this more useful especially in light of the Wii U game pad. Depending on Sony's drm stance with the PS4 I might own one and take advantage of it. Hard to tell with the way Sony's president made light of the drm issue via his twitter post.

Both Donkey Kong Country Returns and Other M were hurt by motion controls. Other M especially had a god awful control scheme because the Wiimote was just awful as a general controller.

I wouldn't count on Sony making a lot in terms Vita + PS3/4 stuff, if anything it'll probably be very exclusive to some first parties and just be some bonus stuff. Like I'm thinking a lot of the cross connectivity you see now with the Vita + PS3.

 

[LegendAssassinF]

...which part of "mandatory" requires further explaination?

I didn't say it was optional I just find it dumb that they are still pushing this. Next thing you know they might come out with Wonderbook 2.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I didn't say it was optional I just find it dumb that they are still pushing this. Next thing you know they might come out with Wonderbook 2.

I'd hardly call supporting the Vita for a completely bonus function is "pushing" it on you. It's not like remote play is a crucial part of the system, this is just a great feature for Vita owners.

 

[Foxi4]

I didn't say it was optional I just find it dumb that they are still pushing this. Next thing you know they might come out with Wonderbook 2.

...what's wrong with Wonderbook 1? It's a kids game.

I don't see any issues at all in playing PS4 games on a PSVita or other compatible devices, even less when I can take my PS4 games with me and use the magical powers of the internets to stream over large distances.

 

[LegendAssassinF]

...what's wrong with Wonderbook 1? It's a kids game.

I don't see any issues at all in playing PS4 games on a PSVita or other compatible devices, even less when I can take my PS4 games with me and use the magical powers of the internets to stream over large distances.

I guess you never saw when they first showed it off... spoiler but just to let you know it didn't work on stage when they showed it. It is also unlikely that PS4 games will stream perfectly over the internet on the Vita to begin with it is likely to just be local.

I'd hardly call supporting the Vita for a completely bonus function is "pushing" it on you. It's not like remote play is a crucial part of the system, this is just a great feature for Vita owners.

Pushing it in terms of still supporting when no one used it last generation and even less will use it now.

 

[mightymuffy]

I'm actually expecting a PS4 + Vita bundle when the PS4 launches. It's kind of a no brainer and I'm pretty sure they're going to have a price drop for the Vita this year too, so the price wouldn't be that much higher than a standard PS4 bundle. If they throw in a year of PS+, I think they'd sell a lot.

Still not bought a Vita yet (I begrudge paying those fukkin scandalous memory card prices to be honest!) so if they do decide on a PS4 & Vita bundle I'll be one happy bunny! Great news if you ask me! Sure they've copied the Wii U tablet to a certain extent, but who cares....

 

[Foxi4]

I guess you never saw when they first showed it off... spoiler but just to let you know it didn't work on stage when they showed it. It is also unlikely that PS4 games will stream perfectly over the internet on the Vita to begin with it is likely to just be local.

I saw the presentation back in february - it was a prototype at that stage, what did you expect? As far as I know, you can stream over the internet.

Pushing it in terms of still supporting when no one used it last generation and even less will use it now.

Oh? I guess hackers introduced it in CFW for kicks then. And it wasn't used primarily because it was only supported by a handful of games - now all the games will have this functionality due to dedicated hardware that does it without wasting a lot of the resources of the console itself.

 

[LegendAssassinF]

I saw the presentation back in february - it was a prototype at that stage, what did you expect? As far as I know, you can stream over the internet.

So you are making assumptions about a feature that is likely to be the same way it was last generation. Also, you don't show off a prototype that was part of your major presentation when you know it doesn't work well. Yes, please show off something that parents are likely to buy and then make sure it doesn't work for 10-15 minutes on stage in front of live audience and streaming for millions of people sounds like a great business tactic.

Hackers do things just because they can? I'm pretty sure yes they did it just for kicks because it can be enabled on all games to begin with even games that clearly don't support it.

 

[jumpman1229]

This is great news! I can't wait to get some Ghosts or LBP3 on with my Vita!

 

[Foxi4]

So you are making assumptions about a feature that is likely to be the same way it was last generation. Also, you don't show off a prototype that was part of your major presentation when you know it doesn't work well. Yes, please show off something that parents are likely to buy and then make sure it doesn't work for 10-15 minutes on stage in front of live audience and streaming for millions of people sounds like a great business tactic.

Hackers do things just because they can? I'm pretty sure yes they did it just for kicks because it can be enabled on all games to begin with even games that clearly don't support it.

Okay.

Please carry on amusing everybody else with the hate train. The presentation showed games in their beta stages and hardware that was still being polished - E3 is just around the corner, then we'll see what they have in store for us.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I read that the PS4 would support streaming over WiFi (including not having the Vita/PS4 on the same WiFi) somewhere, I just CBA to find it currently.