Just Cause 2 Dev "Wii U devkits were collecting dust"

[Foxi4]

We have to look at the facts here - you can play exactly the same AAA titles on the XBox 360 and the PS3 as you can on the Wii U - what incentive is there to buy or upgrade to the Wii U as it stands today? Nintendo keeps giving it "First and Second-Party C.P.R." rather than securing and financing exclusivity deals (on their own expense) - the console will underperform sales-wise until that policy changes and Nintendo starts developing good relations with third-party developers .

Here in the real world console manufacturers go out to developers and publishers, check what's cooking and propose deals so that the publisher/developer makes money on a given title regardless of the console sales. Naturally this causes initial losses for the console manufacturer but at the same time, the console starts selling precisely due to these exclusive titles. In the long run it's beneficial - once the console secures its market share developers start working on titles for it on their own.

 

[Dork]

Every console must be "doomed" soon after they launch. Seriously, you people that truly believe that the WiiU is "doomed" are beyond stupid.



Good games need time to be developed. Common sense and all that.

At this rate GBAtemp will be worse than /v/, if it isn't already.

 

[emigre]

Spoiler

You spelt no gaems wrong.

 

[Arm73]

Because that massive price drop had absolutely nothing to do with it, right?

History teaches us that a price drop alone has never worked before and never saved any doomed system.
Gotta quote Geren on this one:

..........
Let's look at some sites in the past:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/07/29/history-says-the-3ds-is-doomed
http://3dsforums.com/nintendo-3ds-3/nintendo-3ds-doomed-fail-maybe-4038/
http://seekingalpha.com/article/297640-nintendo-seems-doomed-in-the-face-of-strong-competition
http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/05/18/nintendo-3ds-the-failed-launch
http://www.postdesk.com/the-3ds-is-nintendos-last-stand
http://ds.gamespy.com/articles/117/1172578p1.html
http://daxgamer.com/2011/09/nintendo-3ds-failed/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/five-reasons-why-the-nintendo-3ds-is-bob-ombing-with-gamers/
http://www.gameranx.com/features/id/4144/article/how-nintendo-failed-the-3ds/
.............

And you think that the price drop had more to do it with it that a shitload of games released in the following months ?
Did the price drop on the 3G Vita change something ? Anything ?
Did the UK price drop for the Wii U change something ? Anything ?

I got news for you, it's the games dude !
Wait for the games, then we talk again.

 

[Foxi4]

Did the price drop on the 3G Vita change something ? Anything ?

It increased sales to the point that for one week the PSVita sold better than the Wii U, the original 3DS and almost reached the level of cumulative 3DS and 3DS LL sales?

http://gematsu.com/2013/03/media-create-sales-22513-3313

 

[Arm73]

It increased sales to the point that for one week the PSVita sold better than the Wii U, the original 3DS and almost reached the level of cumulative 3DS and 3DS LL sales?

http://gematsu.com/2013/03/media-create-sales-22513-3313

Oh geez, I gotta go and buy a Vita ASAP now, I'm so excited ! It sells, it means it must be good !
Oh wait.....if I get one I'll be in trouble, too many games too chose from, what'll I do

 

[Foxi4]

Oh geez, I gotta go and buy a Vita ASAP now, I'm so excited ! It sells, it means it must be good !
Oh wait.....if I get one I'll be in trouble, too many games too chose from, what'll I do

There's actually quite a lot of good games out there for the system now and only more on the way, not sure what's your problem with it. You said that the price drop didn't help wheras according to the article, it pushed the PSVita to the top of the list as far as sold units are concerned (for whatever reason 3DS and 3DSLL sales were not consolidated).

 

[Deleted_171835]

There's actually quite a lot of good games out there for the system now and only more on the way, not sure what's your problem with it. You said that the price drop didn't help wheras according to the article, it pushed the PSVita to the top of the list as far as sold units are concerned (for whatever reason 3DS and 3DSLL sales were not consolidated).

Sorry to burst your bubble but the price drop didn't do much. It had an effect for one or two weeks also thanks to the release of some games but now it's back to doing as bad as before. Truth is the Vita is in no better position than it was before, arguably worse thanks to the lack of exclusive games coming out in the future. It's dead in the water.

 

[Foxi4]

Sorry to burst your bubble but the price drop didn't do much. It had an effect for one or two weeks also thanks to the release of some games but now it's back to doing as bad as before. Truth is the Vita is in no better position than it was before, arguably worse thanks to the lack of exclusive games coming out in the future. It's dead in the water.

The question was if the price drop had any effect - it did, the sales increased for a few weeks.

 

[Arm73]

Price drop + shitload of games for 3DS= #1 handled system seller in the world.
Price drop for Vita =

....... the sales increased for a few weeks.

Can you spot the difference ?

The question is, is the price drop alone the solution to poor sales, or is it the lack of good, exclusive games the root of all problems ?

 

[war2thegrave]

Price drop + shitload of games for 3DS= #1 handled system seller in the world.
Price drop for Vita =

Can you spot the difference ?

The question is, is the price drop alone the solution to poor sales, or is it the lack of good, exclusive games the root of all problems ?

Well, Nintendo's first party games were coming even if the price drop didn't.
Nintendo is a very stubborn corporation. It had to take a major problem for them to radically change their business model
from selling every console at a profit, to adopting the industry standard of selling hardware for a loss and making it up
with licensing fees like sony and microsoft do.

If nintendo really thought that their games were good enough to save the struggling 3ds,
they would not have changed the formula that had worked so successfully for them during the past 20+ years.

 

[Lucifer666]

Honestly the easiest way out of the Wii U's seemingly inevitable doom is for Nintendo to simply release first party titles. GOOD first party titles.

Aside from NSMBU and Nintendo Land, there is literally nothing. With more Mario, Zelda and the like, sales'll go up, and that'll encourage third party devs to start working with the Wii U. The Wii U's preposterously bad start is entirely Ninty's fault.

 

[emigre]

> Third party support on a Nintendo console.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

Honestly the easiest way out of the Wii U's seemingly inevitable doom is for Nintendo to simply release first party titles. GOOD first party titles.

Aside from NSMBU and Nintendo Land, there is literally nothing. With more Mario, Zelda and the like, sales'll go up, and that'll encourage third party devs to start working with the Wii U. The Wii U's preposterously bad start is entirely Ninty's fault.

No no, the WiiU had a terrific start. But now it isn't.

 

[DSGamer64]

It's not ironic or tragic - developers have complained about Nintendo's approach to third-party developers for years now, they have even when the NES/SNES days but back then there weren't really any viable alternatives except for SEGA which bailed out after the Dreamcast. Now that there are alternatives, namely Microsoft, Sony, Valve, EA and other publishers/console developers, third-party just doesn't care about relations with Nintendo which are usually difficult.

Nintendo has to change their attitude when it comes to third-party, they need to do their best to attract attention, they need to create a comfortable environment for development including hardware and software support and they need to get real because it's no longer the 1990'ties and their first-party won't be able to keep their systems afloat.

They really don't, because after all, what sells Nintendo hardware? Nintendo games. Maybe its the 3rd party studios who need to man up and accept that when it comes to Nintendo platforms, your biggest sales competitor is Nintendo themselves. And why pander to studios that aren't innovating? Why pander to studios who just want to use your platform to milk their cash cow franchises to death rather then making new shit? What reason does Nintendo have to allow studios like EA to tread all over customers by forcing Origin integration on their own platform?

 

[Foxi4]

And why pander to studios that aren't innovating? Why pander to studios who just want to use your platform to milk their cash cow franchises to death rather then making new shit? Why pander to studios who just want to use your platform to milk their cash cow franchises to death rather then making new shit?

...because Nintendo is a true fountain of new IP's. Nintendo doesn't milk the same old franchises repeatedly at all - they're totally not releasing Pokemon games at regular intervals nor are they making ludicrous amounts of Mario spin-offs.

It's true that some people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo exclusives, however that's just one side of the coin. The most successful Nintendo consoles had a wide variety of titles from first, second and third-party developers - the ones that didn't failed to make a splash. Hmm, I wonder why.

 

[the_randomizer]

> Third party support on a Nintendo console.

<^> Microsoft is a legitimate game maker.

 

[Foxi4]

<^> Microsoft is a legitimate game maker.

They are and have been for a number of years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios

 

[the_randomizer]

They are and have been for a number of years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios

Seven if my math is correct. Can't tell for sure, I was caught inhaling formaldehyde fumes after doing it for five hours straight.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

I'm sorry but I really don't consider Microsoft a game maker at all. If anything, they just buy out other companies.