When is pirating ok? (discussion)

[JoostinOnline]

And you think that changes the argument in any way?

What are you talking about? Video games are not essential to survival, as has been proven since the dawn of time.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

There you all go again, making random connections that don't exist.
Who said anything about what we're meant to do with our lives?

The concern is what we need to survive. Those are needs.

Anything else is not a human need.

Life is pretty worthless without any form of entertainment and this can be easily proven I mean could you go through a week without any so called "wants" cause I really doubt it. Again this is hardly relevant to the topic in the first place.

 

[chyyran]

So everything thing else apart from eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping and going to the toilet is optional? If thats all we're meant to do with out lives then its pretty worthless and suicide seems more fun.


Neither is friends or socializing and yet they're emphasized as essentials.

Doesn't matter if your life would be reduced to a useless pile of shit without those things, if your heart continues to beat without those things, you don't need them.

 

[JoostinOnline]

Life is pretty worthless without any form of entertainment and this can be easily proven I mean could you go through a week without any so called "wants" cause I really doubt it. Again this is hardly relevant to the topic in the first place.

Committing piracy is not the only way to be entertained.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

What are you talking about? Video games are not essential to survival, as has been proven since the dawn of time.

Thats not even related to the topic and I have no bloody idea why emphasizing video games as a want instead of a need is doing anything in this topic at all apart from being annoying and redundant.

 

[Rydian]

And you think that changes the argument in any way?

Yes. A bunch of idiots here and claiming that they "need" video games for entertainment, claiming that entertainment is a "need" and thus they can pirate because they "need" video games as entertainment.

There's two things wrong with that idea.

1 - Video games are not a need (covered). Anybody who thinks they are is a fucking idiot (or simply spoiled rotten) and needs to go back to school. This is along the lines of shit like "The sun turns into the moon at night" and "sand is made out of ground-up babies". This is simply not true, and a distorted world view that should be corrected (as a proper understanding of basic world functions is preferred for interaction in modern society).

2 - Video games and other forms of entertainment that cost money are not the only forms of entertainment. Good old physical play (anything from children's tag to professional football), board games, etc.

 

[Shinigami357]

No dude, the line is very thick and clear.

Need: Without it you will DIE. CEASE TO LIVE. YOUR BODILY FUNCTIONS WILL CEASE.
Want: All the other stuff.

I would like to respectfully disagree. In biology, it has been noted that in highly-developed species [notably in mammals and some avians], animals can and often will take the time to play, or [whatever recreational activity it is capable of]. Playing is a form of mental exercise, and it can be successfully argued [I believe] that the higher a species' mental capacity is, the more 'play' or indeed recreation it needs.

In fact, it is a well-documented fact that humans, in their old age, are usually better if they spent a significant [what amounts to significant at that age, anyway] amount of time for recreational activities, noting that it helps preserve neurons in the brain. Now, if we can postulate that preserving brain cells, and therefore keeping the central nervous system in good order, is an essential in old age [or in any age, in fact], then we can file 'recreation' as a need.

 

[JoostinOnline]

Thats not even related to the topic and I have no bloody idea why emphasizing video games as a want instead of a need is doing anything in this topic at all apart from being annoying and redundant.

You are the one who is arguing that they are necessary! XD

 

[retKHAAAN]

Life is pretty worthless without any form of entertainment and this can be easily proven I mean could you go through a week without any so called "wants" cause I really doubt it. Again this is hardly relevant to the topic in the first place.

So you say "any" form of entertainment...but you limit "any" to only video games...

 

[JoostinOnline]

I think Just Another Gamer is Just Another Troll.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

You are the one who is arguing that they are necessary! XD

I have never once said they were necessary. I said that pirating isn't a problem at all and anyone who thinks otherwise is an elitist asshole who needs to get off their high horse and shut up.

Yes. A bunch of idiots here and claiming that they "need" video games for entertainment, claiming that entertainment is a "need" and thus they can pirate because they "need" video games as entertainment.

There's two things wrong with that idea.

1 - Video games are not a need (covered). Anybody who thinks they are is a fucking idiot (or simply spoiled rotten) and needs to go back to school. This is along the lines of shit like "The sun turns into the moon at night" and "sand is made out of ground-up babies". This is simply not true, and a distorted world view that should be corrected (as a proper understanding of basic world functions is preferred for interaction in modern society).

2 - Video games and other forms of entertainment that cost money are not the only forms of entertainment. Good old physical play (anything from children's tag to professional football), board games, etc.

And this makes pirating bad because?

No one here said we need gaming, we just saying we pirate games and I hardly find pirating related to what we need and want.

 

[chyyran]

Life is pretty worthless without any form of entertainment and this can be easily proven I mean could you go through a week without any so called "wants" cause I really doubt it. Again this is hardly relevant to the topic in the first place.

Life might be worthless without any form of entertainment, but as long as the life continues to exist without it, it's not needed, per se, to live.

 

[JoostinOnline]

No one here said we need gaming, we just saying we pirate games and I hardly find pirating related to what we need and want.

Wow Just wow. Ignorance just took a huge step forward.

Failing to see the correlation between video games and "an essential need"...

 

[Romsstar]

I think people have to read more carefully. Since when games are the only thing being pirated? We are talking about whether pirating is ok or not. Some claim no, some claim yes.
Others are just reducing everything to games only because GBATemp deals with games (but also NOT exclusively)

But when talking about things that are being pirated, so are books, movies, films, and software.

I needed a book for my thesis that cost about 80 Euro. Couldn't afford it.
So expect me not to write my thesis because I can't afford a book?
Yeah, luxury product...

And yeah, talking about that:

A lot of Graphic Designers at the university say that they do need Photoshop but can't afford it. So they pirate. Teachers approve.

Love it or hate it, there are way more people who approve and think piracy is ok then the other way around.

The only problem is that those who think it's not happen to be the ones with the money...

 

[Chary]

You know, I do have to say, I CANNOT BELIEVE how many times I have had to purchase Sonic 3. Genesis, Xbox, Xbox 360, Wii, GameCube, ps2. I've bought the dang thing so many times, just because I love the game so much. So, why is it illegal, if I pirate the game onto my Flashcart, just so I can play it on my 3DS?

 

[retKHAAAN]

Only an idiot would ignore my previous post that clearly says I also pirate movies and music, so unless you have mental problems go back a few posts and you see that I did say I pirate other things than just games.


And I think your an asshole. This changes nothing in the topic.

Grow the fuck up. You're trying to justify piracy by saying you're entitled to entertainment. Numerous people tell there are other ways to entertain yourself legally and you think saying "i don't only pirate games, i pirate movies and music too" somehow proves your point.

 

[Rydian]

I would like to respectfully disagree. In biology, it has been noted that in highly-developed species [notably in mammals and some avians], animals can and often will take the time to play, or [whatever recreational activity it is capable of]. Playing is a form of mental exercise, and it can be successfully argued [I believe] that the higher a species' mental capacity is, the more 'play' or indeed recreation it needs.

No, that's not a need. That's a natural function, but is not required to live.

You know what else is natural? Sex. Reproduction is programmed into all of us. But you can never have sex in your life, and simply die of old age... so sex is not a need, even though it'd be natural for us to do. Humans will not die from a lack of sex, therefore is it not a need.

Here, since the concept is SO FUCKING HARD, let me name some examples of actual needs.

• Air: Humans need air. When we talk about air, we're talking about the Earth's atmosphere, which contains a certain distribution of oxygen. Oxygen goes into the lungs and then into the blood where it's distributed to the organs and tissues and used for vital metabolic functions. Starved of oxygen intake, a human will die within minutes.
• Vitamin A: "Vitamin" comes from the phrase "vital amino acid", and refers to any series of nutrients that humans need to survive, but cannot produce naturally (and thus must intake from the surroundings). Of note, "Vitamin D" is actually synthesized by the body when exposed to ample amounts of sunlight through the skin, so it's technically not a "vitamin" in the sense of requiring intake, but by the time scientists figured that one out people were calling it a vitamin anyways, so nobody cares enough to change it.
• Shelter from the elements: Humans need to maintain a certain internal body temperature to function. If humans live in too cold or too hot a place without any surroundings to counteract the weather, the internal temperature can rise too high and cause death via heat stroke (like brain damage from chemical reactions involved in the heat), or go too low and cause cessation of certain critical body functions (like blood flow). These things will kill humans, so shelter from the elements is considered a need.

Those are examples of needs. If you are deprived of those, you will die.

Video games are not a need, as millions of humans have gone their entire lives without them, and not died due to causes directly related to a lack of video games.

In fact, it is a well-documented fact that humans, in their old age, are usually better if they spent a significant [what amounts to significant at that age, anyway] amount of time for recreational activities, noting that it helps preserve neurons in the brain. Now, if we can postulate that preserving brain cells, and therefore keeping the central nervous system in good order, is an essential in old age [or in any age, in fact], then we can file 'recreation' as a need.

No we can't, because they live without it.

Something that can extend natural life is not need. Something that is REQUIRED for humans to biologically function is a need.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

Life might be worthless without any form of entertainment, but as long as the life continues to exist without it, it's not needed, per se, to live.

Exactly. Just living and existing in itself is pretty sad cause your just a shell and empty shell that is just there and thats why people seek out forms of entertainment regardless of what it is.

@JoostinOnline - And where have I said gaming is essential to living? hm? You're working really hard to be stupid aren't you.

Grow the fuck up. You're trying to justify piracy by saying you're entitled to entertainment. Numerous people tell there are other ways to entertain yourself legally and think saying "i don't only pirate games, i pirate movies and music too" somehow proves your point.

Where have I said i'm entitled to it? Point out in my posts that I have used the sentence "I am entitled to games" cause I have never said that and all your doing is just acting like a child because someone else doesn't do exactly what you want them to do.

I can pirate what I want since its my fucking choice, what makes it that you say I shouldn't and I have to just stop? Where in the world does it say that I must stop doing something because some ignorant ass thinks its morally and ethically wrong? I think you need to grow up and face facts that people pirate and they won't stop because someone said its "wrong".

 

[JoostinOnline]

@JoostinOnline - And where have I said gaming is essential to living? hm? You're working really hard to be stupid aren't you.

wrettcaughn said video games weren't an essential need, and you said he was ignorant.

Anyway, I'm reporting you for trolling and flaming.

 

[Rydian]

And this makes pirating bad because?

Hey look, connecting random things again!

I was correcting people that video games are not a need.

So, why is it illegal, if I pirate the game onto my Flashcart, just so I can play it on my 3DS?

Because the versions for different systems are technically different products and the purchase of one is not the purchase of others.