Hacking 3ds plays N64 games?

[Gnargle]

Why don't people understand that a port is not emulation?

 

[Rydian]

Probably because they're not familiar with the concept of porting at all? Or pretty much anything to do with compiled languages, or programming in general?

 

[totalnoob617]

here is another idea instead of making an emulator that runs on the 3ds hardware to execute the .N64 rom file , then what if a program could be designed to run on a pc that that could convert .N64 rom files into .3DS rom files ? would that be possible for nintendo themselves to do,or someone with enough documentation of 3ds hardware and code? or would human input always be needed to port the roms ? or could a program be made that can do it automatically? i mean isnt there a nds nes emulator that takes .nes rom files and converts them into a .nds file with a pc for ds,i know i have used it before, maybe a similar thing can be done for n64? ,but i am guessing you would have have alot of proprietary stuff we will probably never have

 

[asiekierka]

here is another idea instead of making an emulator that runs on the 3ds hardware to execute the .N64 rom file , then what if a program could be designed to run on a pc that that could convert .N64 rom files into .3DS rom files ? is that be possible for nintendo themselves to do,or someone with enough documentation of 3ds hardware and code? or would human input be needed to port the roms ? or could a program be made that can do it automatically? i mean isnt there a nds emulator that takes .nes rom files and makes them into a .nds file for ds, maybe a similar thing can be done for n64? ,but i am guessing you would have have alot of proprietary stuff we will probably never have

It is possible IN THEORY. In practice, this would require godly amounts of work and is infeasible for a company focused on making NEW games to work.

 

[totalnoob617]

here is another idea instead of making an emulator that runs on the 3ds hardware to execute the .N64 rom file , then what if a program could be designed to run on a pc that that could convert .N64 rom files into .3DS rom files ? is that be possible for nintendo themselves to do,or someone with enough documentation of 3ds hardware and code? or would human input be needed to port the roms ? or could a program be made that can do it automatically? i mean isnt there a nds emulator that takes .nes rom files and makes them into a .nds file for ds, maybe a similar thing can be done for n64? ,but i am guessing you would have have alot of proprietary stuff we will probably never have

It is possible IN THEORY. In practice, this would require godly amounts of work and is infeasible for a company focused on making NEW games to work.

interesting i wonder which would be more work , designing a program to automatically port n64 rom to 3ds roms ,or porting say 200 or 300 roms manually one by one
maybe about the same ?

and obviously nintendo would have reall no use for it since their games like zelda63 oot 3d and starfox are not direct ports they have added stuff , unless it would be easy to use the program to port it automatically and then just change texture files or something , but i doubt it

 

[Rydian]

And this is a perfect example of what I just posted...

When porting a game, you port the source code, not the compiled version.

Meaning you don't port the final ROM itself. You port the code that created that ROM.

The code that only the developing company (Nintendo, Rare, etc.) has...

 

[DiscostewSM]

Largest N64 game is 64MB, and the N64 has either 4MB of it's own RAM (8MB with the expansion). 3DS has 128MB of RAM, 96MB of that being dedicated to games. So, yes, it can fit inside the system's RAM, and still have a good amount for other things such as the emulator itself. PSX games are different because of the method used to read the data (CDs vs cartridge). If a PSX emulator was made for the 3DS (whenever it gets hacked), memory will not be an issue.

Actually, the max rom size for an N64 game was 128MB, but Resident Evil 2 was the only game that achieved that size.

http://en.wikipedia....Resident_Evil_2

The Nintendo 64 version was widely commended for the technical achievement of fitting a two-disc game on a single 512-Mbit (the largest available capacity for a Nintendo 64 cartridge) cartridge.

512 / 8 = 64

 

[Catastrophic]

Largest N64 game is 64MB, and the N64 has either 4MB of it's own RAM (8MB with the expansion). 3DS has 128MB of RAM, 96MB of that being dedicated to games. So, yes, it can fit inside the system's RAM, and still have a good amount for other things such as the emulator itself. PSX games are different because of the method used to read the data (CDs vs cartridge). If a PSX emulator was made for the 3DS (whenever it gets hacked), memory will not be an issue.

Actually, the max rom size for an N64 game was 128MB, but Resident Evil 2 was the only game that achieved that size.

http://en.wikipedia....Resident_Evil_2

The Nintendo 64 version was widely commended for the technical achievement of fitting a two-disc game on a single 512-Mbit (the largest available capacity for a Nintendo 64 cartridge) cartridge.

512 / 8 = 64

I stand corrected.

 

[JulietStMoon]

zelda ocarina of time 3D & Starfox 64 3D were on th N64, the 3DS version's has better graphics, so yes the 3DS can run N64 games.
not to mention if you compair screens to mario kart 64, mario kart DS, & Mario kart 7 3DS.
i wouldn't be surprised if nintendo released N64 Virtual console & 3D classics on 3DS(& wii u) when the Wii u is released.

Spoiler

one game i wouldn't mind seeing ported from 64 to 3DS with 3D, multiplayer, & online is goldeneye 64.

False. The 3DS does not play any N64 games. It never has. LoZ: OoT 3D and SF64 3D are ports/remakes, not emulations.

I too would love to see N64 emulation on the 3DS. But the more and more I read about the actual technical data, the more I believe it won't happen. Heck, even full-blown PCs can't properly emulate N64 enough.

 

[Rydian]

Depends on the game. Most run fine, and even the PSP can run the simpler titles with some slowdown.

 

[Zerosuit connor]

I read the first page and banged my head on the desk. It isn't playing N64 games, they are remakes/ports. Emulation is different, a port is made to run on a newer/different system like it was developed for that system. Emulation is the newer/different system running the old system on top.

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[BORTZ]

Im gonna say maybe, but poorly.

 

[totalnoob617]

speaking of ports i hope they port some GC games over, like wind waker, an a metroid prime 3d with a 3rd person view option, if they can port n64 to ds then they can port GC to 3ds id say

 

[JulietStMoon]

speaking of ports i hope they port some GC games over, like wind waker, an a metroid prime 3d with a 3rd person view option, if they can port n64 to ds then they can port GC to 3ds id say

Cool, but I doubt that would happen. They're already working on a new Zelda, and possibly a Majora's Mask port. and I personally think they should just put an all-new Metroid title rather than port Prime.

 

[chavosaur]

Please lord no more ports. Im tired of nintendo consoles relying on the older consoles bestsellers to sell the newer systems.
Gimmie some originality Nintendo!

 

[JulietStMoon]

Please lord no more ports. Im tired of nintendo consoles relying on the older consoles bestsellers to sell the newer systems.
Gimmie some originality Nintendo!

Hey, it could be worse. Remember how the GBA was basically a spam-fest of SNES re-releases and didn't get a single original Mario platformer? lol

 

[Pleng]

Please lord no more ports. Im tired of nintendo consoles relying on the older consoles bestsellers to sell the newer systems.
Gimmie some originality Nintendo!

Please! more ports! I'll take a souped up Link to The Past and Super Mario World for starters! Would quite fancy giving the gamecube f-zero a try; though I guess if they're going to port that they may as well just design a few new tracks and call it a new game...

 

[chavosaur]

The only port I could EVER be hyped up about, would be Banjo Kazooie.
God I loved that game.

 

[JulietStMoon]

I guess if they're going to port that they may as well just design a few new tracks and call it a new game...

That's basically why I don't want any more ports, except for N64 games, which could stand to look "prettier". Gamecube games already look pretty enough, and if they're going to release an F-Zero or Metroid or Mario, might as well just be a new games. Or could be a "classic-styled" sequel in the style of Donkey Kong Country Returns or Kirby's Return to Dreamland.

 

[C-Kronos]

Well here an interesting question. How long do you think it will be before someone releases an N64 emulator for the 3ds? It rather obvious the 3ds can play N64 games (Zelda OOt and Starfox 64 anyone?) and seeing as a regular ds can play a slightly modified N64 game (super mario 64) then it is likely this is going to happen right? I mean it bound to happen at some point right?

Also can a current flashcart even support an .n64 game as they are? I'm going to upgrade anyway, but will they have to release a new flashcart just to play n64 games? I know this won't happen anytime soon, seeing as the 3ds seems to be kinda hax proof at the moment, but will it ever happen?

I'm not even going to bother reading all of the other comments, because they're either people politely telling you that you're an idiot, or more idiots agreeing with your idiot logic. It's not rather obvious the 3DS can play N64 games, there is a huge difference between a port and emulation. Honestly, if you want to play N64 games that bad, get a 64drive or ED64; the ED64 will more than likely be more suited to someone that obviously lacks game development knowledge, like yourself.

Also, do you have any idea how difficult it is to properly emulate a game on another device other than the one it was designed for? Please watch this video, there's a segment in it that shows them emulating an old ass CPU, and how slow it is for true emulation of something made a lot earlier than the N64 runs on a modern computer. Not to mention there is a pretty sizable difference between MIPS R4300i and a freakin' ARM device. Please keep in mind that a lot of the compatibility you see in some N64 emulators is thanks to a shit ton of per-game hacks, it's no where close to true emulation.

Question: How in the world did you manage to reach the conclusion that SM64 DS is slightly modified compared to the original N64 release? I'm going to assume that you're seriously young and you haven't ever played the original release of SM64. Do you have any idea how much code was probably rewritten, not to mention the shit ton of programming added to the game? There was also quite a few graphical changes on various levels, it has a ton of differences when compared to the original release.. This link lists quite a few differences from the N64 release of the game, and this isn't even complete, as it would take quite a lot of time to spot and list every single change to the game.

The only port I could EVER be hyped up about, would be Banjo Kazooie.
God I loved that game.

Does Nintendo even have the rights to republish RARE games anymore? Microsoft bought RARE in 2002, hence the reason there's XBLA releases of BK and BT, you won't be seeing a remake or port of a RARE title on a Nintendo platform any time soon, unless Nintendo buys the rights for the specific IP from MS.. MS charges out the ass to renew a license for publishing game patches on Xbox Live, imagine how much it would cost a company to buy an entire IP..