Mojang Wins Scrolls Court Case

FluffyLunamoth

Still a Touhou Fanatic
OP
Member
Joined
Jul 21, 2009
Messages
2,147
Trophies
1
Location
Senkai
XP
570
Country
United States
We won the interim injunction! We can keep using the name "Scrolls". ZeniMax/Bethesda can still appeal the ruling, but I'm very happy. :D

No matter how this plays out, we should still do the quake game. :D

Notch, shortly after, posted that. Looks like they really want to play a game of Quake with Bethesda. Most likely won't happen, but it would be nice to see.

Source
 

Costello

Headmaster
Administrator
Joined
Oct 24, 2002
Messages
14,201
Trophies
4
XP
19,707
Oh thank god. A company just can't declare that such a common word from the dictionary entirely belongs to them and no one is allowed to use it anymore...
would have been completely crazy otherwise!
 

hankchill

I Pwn n00bs.
Member
Joined
Nov 5, 2005
Messages
2,338
Trophies
0
Age
38
Location
Outer Space
Website
www.hankchill.com
XP
421
Country
Canada
Finally, a judge with common sense. Not many of those left around.

Although I don't play Minecraft at all, I'm happy that its creators won this round; How pathetic do you have to be to sue a company because they used the word "Scrolls". Any idiot can tell the difference between "The Elder Scrolls" and "Minecraft Scrolls". I think these companies sue others because they lack confidence in their products. Pathetic.

Better luck next time Bethesda. Maybe you should go after Nintendo next and sue because "Skyward Sword" sounds too close to "Skyrim" :P
 

Veho

The man who cried "Ni".
Former Staff
Joined
Apr 4, 2006
Messages
11,373
Trophies
3
Age
42
Location
Zagreb
XP
40,797
Country
Croatia
The entire lawsuit was silly. "Words Bethesda feels they should have exclusive rights on: 'scrolls', 'elders', 'dragons', 'dungeons', 'magic' and 'fire'."

Next up: God of War VS Gears of War.
 

CannonFoddr

Regular GBATemp Lurker
Member
Joined
Sep 23, 2006
Messages
4,134
Trophies
1
Age
56
Location
Sitting by computer
Website
www.youtube.com
XP
1,287
Country
Finally, a judge with common sense. Not many of those left around.
I agree

...... Any idiot can tell the difference between "The Elder Scrolls" and "Minecraft Scrolls"
Actually it's just called 'Scrolls' not 'Minecraft Scrolls'

Veho said:
Next up: God of War VS Gears of War.
Good one, or what about (for those who can remember it) 'Supermarionation' Vs 'SuperMarioWorld'

(For those that don't remember it - think 'Thunderbirds Are Go' and 'Stingray')
 

Guild McCommunist

(not on boat)
Member
Joined
May 6, 2009
Messages
18,148
Trophies
0
Age
31
Location
The Danger Zone
XP
10,348
Country
United States
I honestly think Mojang could've just changed their name to something not so generic and evaded this entire problem. I'm not saying Bethesda was right, I'm saying that the entire case existed because Notch wanted to act all big and tough.

If you couldn't tell, I have no liking of Notch. I paid roughly $21 for Minecraft and it's still not worth it.
 

Arras

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Sep 14, 2010
Messages
6,318
Trophies
2
XP
5,402
Country
Netherlands
I honestly think Mojang could've just changed their name to something not so generic and evaded this entire problem. I'm not saying Bethesda was right, I'm saying that the entire case existed because Notch wanted to act all big and tough.

If you couldn't tell, I have no liking of Notch. I paid roughly $21 for Minecraft and it's still not worth it.
Notch proposed just that, but Bethesda refused.


The entire lawsuit was silly. "Words Bethesda feels they should have exclusive rights on: 'scrolls', 'elders', 'dragons', 'dungeons', 'magic' and 'fire'."

Next up: God of War VS Gears of War.
No, next up: Bethesda suing Dungeons and Dragons.
 

Veho

The man who cried "Ni".
Former Staff
Joined
Apr 4, 2006
Messages
11,373
Trophies
3
Age
42
Location
Zagreb
XP
40,797
Country
Croatia
I'm saying that the entire case existed because Notch wanted to act all big and tough.
So you're saying he chose the name to provoke Bethesda? Or are you saying that when a larger company wants to throw its weight around on no grounds at all other that they're bigger, the little guy should just roll over and accept it "to avoid a problem"?

The name is generic, but that means there shouldn't have been any problem in the first place. It's too common and ubiquitus a word for anyone to hold any "exclusive right" to it. What claims does Bethesda have to that name? None at all. Who's the one making a big deal out of it? Bethesda. The entire case existed because Bethesda wanted to act big and tough.
 

MEGAMANTROTSKY

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Jun 24, 2010
Messages
464
Trophies
0
XP
171
Country
United States
If you couldn't tell, I have no liking of Notch. I paid roughly $21 for Minecraft and it's still not worth it.
This case regarded his company, Mojang, not simply him. Why are you singling him out? Just because you don't like Notch does not mean he should roll over to allow Bethesda to monopolize a single word, and a generic one at that. And who cares which side wanted to act "big and tough"? What matters is the precedent that was set by the ruling. Holding it against the defendants because they wanted to go through with the case is really silly. You imply that Bethesda was in the wrong, but your abstract reasoning against the defendants makes that really hard to believe.
 

FluffyLunamoth

Still a Touhou Fanatic
OP
Member
Joined
Jul 21, 2009
Messages
2,147
Trophies
1
Location
Senkai
XP
570
Country
United States
I honestly think Mojang could've just changed their name to something not so generic and evaded this entire problem. I'm not saying Bethesda was right, I'm saying that the entire case existed because Notch wanted to act all big and tough.

If you couldn't tell, I have no liking of Notch. I paid roughly $21 for Minecraft and it's still not worth it.

See, that's part of the problem, Mojang(not just Notch) offered to change the name. Bethesda refused. Get over your odd bias against Notch and see this for what it is. Notch gave them plenty of things to get out of the whole thing, Bethesda is the one that pushed it to court. Notch didn't act all "big and tough", Mojang was fully in the right on this one.

PS: Just because it somehow wasn't worth it to you, doesn't mean you have to hate the creators. That's just petty. That's like me having not liked Fallout New Vegas and hating Bethesda for it.(Irony at that being the first game to come to mind...)
 

Terminator02

ヽ( 。 ヮ゚)ノ
Member
Joined
Apr 10, 2010
Messages
4,516
Trophies
1
Location
Somewhere near monkat
XP
1,089
Country
United States
I honestly think Mojang could've just changed their name to something not so generic and evaded this entire problem. I'm not saying Bethesda was right, I'm saying that the entire case existed because Notch wanted to act all big and tough.

If you couldn't tell, I have no liking of Notch. I paid roughly $21 for Minecraft and it's still not worth it.
Notch proposed just that, but Bethesda refused.
not entirely true
I honestly think Mojang could've just changed their name to something not so generic and evaded this entire problem. I'm not saying Bethesda was right, I'm saying that the entire case existed because Notch wanted to act all big and tough.

If you couldn't tell, I have no liking of Notch. I paid roughly $21 for Minecraft and it's still not worth it.

See, that's part of the problem, Mojang(not just Notch) offered to change the name. Bethesda refused. Get over your odd bias against Notch and see this for what it is. Notch gave them plenty of things to get out of the whole thing, Bethesda is the one that pushed it to court. Notch didn't act all "big and tough", Mojang was fully in the right on this one.

PS: Just because it somehow wasn't worth it to you, doesn't mean you have to hate the creators. That's just petty. That's like me having not liked Fallout New Vegas and hating Bethesda for it.(Irony at that being the first game to come to mind...)
Mojang offered to change the name, but they refused to take "Scrolls" out of the name

See: Mojang v. Bethesda part 2
 

MasterPenguin

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Jul 16, 2008
Messages
424
Trophies
0
Website
Visit site
XP
277
Country
Canada
Oh good grief, here we go again. Yet another thread that will get people all worked up with "Anti-Bethesda" rage without even bothering to research trademark law or, heaven forbid, the actual trademarks related to this dispute. And once more, people seem to be blindly latching on to the concept that Notch and crew are somehow victims in this whole mess. Now before I go any further, how about we go over some facts about trademark law?

First of all, the way trademark law works is once you register a trademark, you have to defend it against any and all threats or risk losing it (and this has been mentioned several times now). This doesn't mean that one company gets to use that trademark exclusively though. Different companies can hold the same trademark (well, the same trademarked word at least) for different products. For example, you're probably familiar with Id Software's trademark on "Rage", but this trademark can co-exist with other "Rage" trademarks like the "Rage" trademark on motor-scooters and another "Rage" trademark on pesticides (fun fact: there's over 30 different trademarks on the word "Rage"). You see trademark disputes when a company owns a trademark and another company tries to register a similar trademark for the same product type (in this case it's computer games). That by itself isn't necessarily enough to pursue trademark infringement (unless you're Tim Langdell), you also have to establish a case for similarity. With "The Elder Scrolls" and "Scrolls" the similarities should be apparent to anyone who has actually looked up the two games. They're both fantasy themed and they both appear to have RPG-like elements to them. That right there is enough to establish trademark infringement for most legal courts, so Bethesda does have a fairly decent case. And again, as stated at the start of this paragraph, if Bethesda didn't take any legal action to this threat to their trademark, it could cause them to lose "The Elder Scrolls" later on.

*Please note that when I say that "Scrolls" and "The Elder Scrolls" have notable similarities, I'm talking about the kind of similarities that will determine the outcome of the case in court. Obviously "Scrolls" and "The Elder Scrolls" are two very different games and have few actual gameplay similarities. As gamers, we all know that, but we're talking about trademark similarities with a court of law, not a court of gamers. Tim Langdell got away with his whole "Edge" trademark trolling with far less, he didn't even have an argument for similarities other than they were games.*

Furthermore, it's important to consider that trademark disputes are not rare, in fact, they're fairly common. Although it must be admitted that most trademark disputes are not revealed to the public (or gather much media attention), much less announced through Twitter. Besides the Tim Langdell cases and this one, how many trademark disputes has anyone actually heard about? Not many, I'd gather. What is rather unique about this case is that it's actually going to court, as usually the two parties in a trademark dispute settle matters outside of the courtroom.

And, if you're still having doubts about the legitimacy of Bethesda's case, here's a quote from a legal expert interviewed by Wired.com last month.

" Attorney and game industry analyst Mark Methenitis told Wired.com that the publisher was just doing what any prudent trademark holder would normally do.

"The basic question here is whether the two trademarks are likely to be confused," Methenitis said in an e-mail. "There's a pretty well-established test for this under U.S. trademark law, and based on those factors, Bethesda has a reasonable argument." "

You can find that article here

Finally, before you jump to take Notch's side in this issue, you should know the specifics of his "Scrolls" trademark. I took the liberty of looking it up on the Electronic Trademark Database and it's pretty surprising. It's not just a trademark on computer-games. Notch's trademark for the word "Scrolls" includes clothing (of all types, including t-shirts), hardware platforms, boardgames, toys, hand-helds, and traditional card games. This means that Bethesda's case against Mojang may not be the last court battle Notch will have to face over this, as his trademark clearly violates the trademarks of other companies (such as the Scrolls Clothing Company, which owns the trademark of "Scrolls" for t-shirts). The sheer broadness of Notch's "Scrolls" trademark is rather astounding, as most companies specify one thing for a trademark and make additional trademark registrations for additional products (for example, Bethesda has 6 separate trademarks on "The Elder Scrolls", covering everything from clothing to their forums, but each trademark covers only one thing). I imagine this is usually done in order to avoid large-scale trademark infringements.

Furthermore, just because you make a game doesn't mean you have to register a trademark for it! The vast majority of indie games DO NOT have trademarks! It's not a legal requirement in the slightest, and Notch could keep the name of his game as "Scrolls" if he dropped the trademark. Heck, I imagine there wouldn't be much of a legal issue if he had trademarked a full title like "Scrolls: The Card Game" or anything a little more complicated than just "Scrolls".

If you're interested in doing a bit of research on this subject, I encourage you to look up the trademarks that are involved. You can find Notch's trademark (and pretty much every other trademark ever registered) at this website: http://tess2.uspto.gov/

/thread.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person

MelodieOctavia

Just your friendly neighborhood Transbian.
Former Staff
Joined
Aug 29, 2008
Messages
6,258
Trophies
2
Age
39
Location
Hiatus Hell
Website
yourmom.com
XP
4,692
Country
Djibouti
I think what's funnier still are all these people "boycotting" Skyrim over this case.

Come 11-11-11 I know what I would rather be playing, and it has nothing to do with glorified Lego blocks.
 

Site & Scene News

Popular threads in this forum

General chit-chat
Help Users
    BakerMan @ BakerMan: @RedColoredStars My condolences, was that your cat? +1