SCOTUS about to kill Voting Rights Act

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Doesn't matter who they support. It's who supports THEM. Republicans sure as hell don't support them. Should tell you something about Democrats, that the worst of the worst don't even want anything to do with you. Wanting irreversible surgeries and hormones given to children, thinking it's ok for biological men to join WOMEN'S sports, and use WOMEN'S restrooms with little girls... And you know the whole Musk "nazi salute" thing is bullshit, you just don't care. He explained what that was long ago.

But go ahead and assume it takes $3Million just to pay people to infiltrate the KKK. That's $375,000 for EACH of the 8 people they claimed it was for. As if Fake companies with fake bank accounts would protect them from an organization, if they really bothered to monitor membership financials... without questioning what they did for a living to earn that much money.

These aren't *just* accusations. A grand Jury already saw the evidence and indicted on it.
>accused me of moving the goalpost
>makes an entire post where the goalpost is all over the place
Look man, I don’t care about your crash out. My point is the Republicans are the party supported by the worst of the worst and people might want to consider reflecting on why that’s the case.
 
1. I’m not in charge of redistricting, the Tennessee legislature is. It’s their job to “look at it”.

2. Even without extensive research I can see that the district unnecessarily excluded multiple areas that should logically be part of it to ensure contiguity and not split communities between neighbouring districts.

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Why is nearly every city on the eastern side sliced in half? Are we trying to get to a magical number? I think so.

3. I don’t like the new map either, the 3-way split is not compact enough.

Thank you for playing.
Every time you demonstrate an ability to come to an opinion on a map, it only makes it more obviously strange that you can't do the same for Lousiana in 2022. Can't even comment on its contiguity?
 
didn't Tenesee basicly violated scotus ruling by gutting a majorly black section (though i doubt even justice thomas would care putting his party over his own race
 
Every time you demonstrate an ability to come to an opinion on a map, it only makes it more obviously strange that you can't do the same for Lousiana in 2022. Can't even comment on its contiguity?
It’s funnier if I don’t since you continue to demand it, and what is life without its little pleasures?
 
It’s funnier if I don’t since you continue to demand it, and what is life without its little pleasures?
Yeah, you're really owning me by refusing to prove your own argument :rofl2:

On a completely unrelated note, I remember when children in the playground would loudly declare "I dont really care", upon realizing they've lost the argument they've just spent the last hour on. "It was just a joke".
 
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Turns out SCOTUS used faulty racial voter turnout data to shred Voting Rights Act in recent ruling. Because of course they did, the conservative majority on the court are racist dipshits who were happy to accept any data at face value that confirms their existing biases. This is worthy of removal from the bench on its own, but it's also far from the first time they've abused their power or failed to perform any semblance of due diligence.
 
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Turns out SCOTUS used faulty racial voter turnout data to shred Voting Rights Act in recent ruling. Because of course they did, the conservative majority on the court are racist dipshits who were happy to accept any data at face value that confirms their existing biases. This is worthy of removal from the bench on its own, but it's also far from the first time they've abused their power or failed to perform any semblance of due diligence.
Oh don't worry, it gets worse than that. In general their methodology is very...creative.

https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/2026-05-08-simple-math-error-scotus-callais-vra

The end result of this faulty data/logic is the requirement that, to prove racial discrimination, you must control for party affiliation.

Because these two factors are heavily interlinked in...well, every area where racial gerrymandering would have an actual impact on an election, you control away a large portion of what you are trying to prove.

This should be obvious to anyone who is aware that Democrats tend to vote for Democrats and that Republicans tend to vote for Republicans, but I guess SCOTUS thinks it is entirely down to race? So good luck proving anything unless you can find the hordes of Black Republicans voting Democrat who are having their votes suppressed.
 
What I learned from this thread is that sexual assaulting women is ok as long as you stick to molestation and don't penetrate.
 
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Yeah, you're really owning me by refusing to prove your own argument :rofl2:

On a completely unrelated note, I remember when children in the playground would loudly declare "I dont really care", upon realizing they've lost the argument they've just spent the last hour on. "It was just a joke".
I’m here exclusively for personal amusement. I explained my reasoning, you can apply it to a map all by yourself and draw your own conclusions. That’s not what you want - you want to give *me* homework, and you’re annoyed that I’m not doing what you want. I don’t respond well to that. I’m not obligated to fulfil requests of random Internet strangers. The thread is about the 6th district. I might have discussions about other tangentially related things, but only for as long as they amuse me.
 
What I learned from this thread is that sexual assaulting women is ok as long as you stick to molestation and don't penetrate.
You're missing two key pieces which allow that, which are:
1. Money
2. A bunch of sycophants who will excuse anything you do

If you, or anyone else were to do that, you'd still be arrested.
 
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I’m here exclusively for personal amusement. I explained my reasoning, you can apply it to a map all by yourself and draw your own conclusions. That’s not what you want - you want to give *me* homework, and you’re annoyed that I’m not doing what you want. I don’t respond well to that. I’m not obligated to fulfil requests of random Internet strangers. The thread is about the 6th district. I might have discussions about other tangentially related things, but only for as long as they amuse me.
Cool, my homework says 2022's district is also cherrypicked using your own logic. Either you care enough to disagree or you don't, you can't have it both ways.

Well, I mean you can. It just looks really unconvincing to anyone paying attention. The moment 2022 comes up you run for the hills, it is not hard to see why it suddenly stops being amusing for you.
 
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Cool, my homework says 2022's district is also cherrypicked using your own logic. Either you care enough to disagree or you don't, you can't have it both ways.

Well, I mean you can. It just looks really unconvincing to anyone paying attention. The moment 2022 comes up you run for the hills, it is not hard to see why it suddenly stops being amusing for you.
Me: Here’s all the criteria one can use to criticise a district, they’re the ones listed by Congress. Based on this list, the district was racially gerrymandered.
You: I think this other district is also gerrymandered.
Me: Oh? Would you like to make an argument by using the metrics listed?
You: No, I think you should do that.
Me: That’s funny. You see, that’s not how a debate works, it’s supposed to be a back-and-forth. If you think so, you should convince me based on the metrics. I’m not going to do that for you, but I’m amused by the fact you asked me to. I can’t argue both sides of a debate, that’s ridiculous.
You: Oh, I win then.

You still have to make a salient argument based on facts, otherwise you’re just saying things. If waiting for you to actually make one is considered “running” then by all means, proceed with the victory lap, but I think you should take a step back and reevaluate the conversation we’ve had. I’ll be waiting for you to specify what makes the district good or bad so that I can respond to something specific.

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You still have to make a salient argument based on facts, otherwise you’re just saying things. If waiting for you to actually make one is considered “running” then by all means, proceed with the victory lap, but I think you should take a step back and reevaluate the conversation we’ve had. I’ll be waiting for you to specify what makes the district good or bad so that I can respond something specific.

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Okay, I'll repeat it for you if you like. But you ignored it last time, it is fairly obvious that the arguments only need your magical spreadsheet of proof when they are coming from someone else. Otherwise you can make snap judgements from it looking a bit weird.

Lousiana's second district from 2022 is not compact nor contiguous. It stretches out and almost bisects district 6, where previously it was much more contained. At one end, it curves up through a thin bridge to collect another area.

Oh, and it is majority Black in a district with 33% black residents - you seem unsure as to whether this should matter but I'll mention it.

In general, its shape is quite similar to the 2024 district that was struck down. Many of the same arguments apply: weirdly stretched out, bisecting other districts, tenuous connections.

And its because they're so similar that you have to pretend that actually you enjoy leaving your arguments unproven, rather than just winning them.

None of this is new, I've just put it in one place with a smidge more detail. I think the weakest part of the argument is definitely the reference to how district 2 didn't bisect 6 previously (obviously maps can change), but then again you were the one to bring up historicality, and you must have missed it the last time I responded to that directly so I put it in again.
 
Oh, and it is majority Black in a district with 33% black residents - you seem unsure as to whether this should matter but I'll mention it.
I’m not unsure - it shouldn’t matter. America should have only one kind of districts, American ones.
In general, its shape is quite similar to the 2024 district that was struck down. Many of the same arguments apply: weirdly stretched out, bisecting other districts, tenuous connections.

And it’s because they're so similar that you have to pretend that actually you enjoy leaving your arguments unproven, rather than just winning them.
What is the argument, exactly?
None of this is new, I've just put it in one place with a smidge more detail. I think the weakest part of the argument is definitely the reference to how district 2 didn't bisect 6 previously (obviously maps can change), but then again you were the one to bring up historicality, and you must have missed it the last time I responded to that directly so I put it in again.
Louisiana gained the 2nd district in 1823, so yes, it is very much historical. It’s 95-ish % urban, so it connects similar communities with mutual interests. It’s actually 50.4% black, if you care about this sort of thing, so if you want to argue the weird “shared racial experience” left-wingers like to argue, you can knock yourself out. It has also, historically, occupied the same area - New Orleans.
Louisiana gained a second district in 1823 as part of the 18th United States Congress. At first it comprised New Orleans and significant populations from surrounding areas. With the growth of population in the urban area, the current district is located mostly within the city of New Orleans.

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For most of the period from 1983 to 2013, this district contained nearly all of the city of New Orleans (except for a small portion located in the neighboring 1st congressional district), and some of its suburbs. In 2003, it was pushed into the West Bank portion of Jefferson Parish and South Kenner, which have a higher proportion of white residents. After the 2010 census, the legislature pushed the 2nd slightly to the west, picking up a portion of Baton Rouge–essentially, most of the capital's majority-black precincts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana's_2nd_congressional_district
If anything, the creation of the 6th district made the 2nd *lose ground* because it lost its share of Baton Rouge.

As for the geography… let’s see.
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The district seems to be following existing geopolitical lines, with some small exceptions. If I were drawing it, I would make sure it encompasses *all* of West Baton Rouge, Ascention and St.Charles, but it’s otherwise inoffensive. I think the fact that Lake Pontchartrain introduces some restrictions in terms of shape may be throwing you off on this one.
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Thank you for providing some kind of argument that’s worthwhile to respond to. Unfortunately, it doesn’t land quite as well as you had hoped.
 
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not unsure - it shouldn’t matter. America should have only one kind of districts, American ones.
Weren't you literally going on about the importance of rural districts earlier?

Dude isn't even consistent in this thread.
 
I’m not unsure - it shouldn’t matter. America should have only one kind of districts, American ones.

What is the argument, exactly?

Louisiana gained the 2nd district in 1823, so yes, it is very much historical. It’s 95-ish % urban, so it connects similar communities with mutual interests. It’s actually 50.4% black, if you care about this sort of thing, so if you want to argue the weird “shared racial experience” left-wingers like to argue, you can knock yourself out. It has also, historically, occupied the same area - New Orleans.

If anything, the creation of the 6th district made the 2nd *lose ground* because it lost its share of Baton Rouge.

As for the geography… let’s see.
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The district seems to be following existing geopolitical lines, with some small exceptions. If I were drawing it, I would make sure it encompasses *all* of West Baton Rouge, Ascention and St.Charles, but it’s otherwise inoffensive. I think the fact that Lake Pontchartrain introduces some restrictions in terms of shape may be throwing you off on this one.
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Thank you for providing some kind of argument that’s worthwhile to respond to. Unfortunately, it doesn’t land quite as well as you had hoped.
I have a few problems with this response. Of tbe minor ones, the historicality, clearly we mean different things there. American districts, cool.

More importantly, the lake, yes, I am aware of it. None of my arguments relate to the bit surrounding the lake, and even with the map you're using, I don't see how a good faith interpretation of my argument would lead you there. Nothing on this map lines up with what I'm talking about. There is no thin bridge at one end.

I think the main issue here is that you're using the wrong map. This is not 2022, it's from the Wikipedia page on the 2nd district, and the filename originally included "since 2025".

I recommend the Wikipedia page on Lousiana's districts in general, which has the current and previous maps more clearly labelled. I can see how they'd be mixed up on tbe 2nd-district specific page with how fast things are changing recently, and maybe you figured the lake was the best fit for what I was talking about, even if it didnt cleanly fit.

Or maybe, when faced with something that doesn't quite line up, finding out why is not important to you and you mistook your misunderstanding as an opportunity for a "gotcha". I have less sympathy in that case.

What is the argument, exactly?
I suppose the core argument is that the SCOTUS decision is good. That's what this is all about. after all. Lousiana and others are just examples and counterexamples to test their logic.
The problem you keep running into is that you seem to disagree that gerrymandering is okay. SCOTUS notionally struck down racial gerrymandering as a means to further partisan gerrymandering, which they explicitly endorse. That is the core problem here, no maps or design principles will get around this.
 
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Oh wow, US Supreme Court went weird to not overturn Allen v. Milligan that is obviously in conflict with Louisiana v. Callais. If they were back in 1990s, they would only force Louisiana to redraw the map to be compliance with VRA requirement and constitution requirement. Someone could argue that AL 7th congressional district violated the constitution that drawn to be majority black district by state legislature and I'm not sure if they would overhaul after 2026.

The US has a lot of majority minority districts that where race wasn't primary factor outside of majority black and Latino districts, but VRA is more complicated with a lot of factors like physical boundary and compactness.

In short term, US Supreme Court ruling is victory for republicans but democrats will catch up and ready to revert back to pre-1990 congressional districts that weren't under VRA requirement, so it will lead to total political gridlock and social upheaval in some states like Alabama is one of them because racist attitude is still everywhere today.

Also, states have own requirement to draw the map, especially compactness, must protect the incumbent, ban the favor to incumbent, connection to communities and others.

https://www.al.com/politics/2026/05...o-have-two-black-congressional-districts.html

I do think that prolong political gridlock would force republicans and democrats agree to end the gerrymandering for all of congressional seats as trade for stability in the country, so it means VRA would be reformed when they legislate the bill to ban on gerrymandering and compliance with constitutional requirement.
 
I have a few problems with this response. Of tbe minor ones, the historicality, clearly we mean different things there. American districts, cool.

More importantly, the lake, yes, I am aware of it. None of my arguments relate to the bit surrounding the lake, and even with the map you're using, I don't see how a good faith interpretation of my argument would lead you there. Nothing on this map lines up with what I'm talking about. There is no thin bridge at one end.

I think the main issue here is that you're using the wrong map. This is not 2022, it's from the Wikipedia page on the 2nd district, and the filename originally included "since 2025".

I recommend the Wikipedia page on Lousiana's districts in general, which has the current and previous maps more clearly labelled. I can see how they'd be mixed up on tbe 2nd-district specific page with how fast things are changing recently, and maybe you figured the lake was the best fit for what I was talking about, even if it didnt cleanly fit.

Or maybe, when faced with something that doesn't quite line up, finding out why is not important to you and you mistook your misunderstanding as an opportunity for a "gotcha". I have less sympathy in that case.

I suppose the core argument is that the SCOTUS decision is good. That's what this is all about. after all. Lousiana and others are just examples and counterexamples to test their logic.
The problem you keep running into is that you seem to disagree that gerrymandering is okay. SCOTUS notionally struck down racial gerrymandering as a means to further partisan gerrymandering, which they explicitly endorse. That is the core problem here, no maps or design principles will get around this.
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I was under the impression that with the current proposal being struck down Louisiana was, at least notionally, automatically reverting to this setup until a new proposal was put forward, but fair enough. They appear to be changing maps like gloves over there, so you’ll have to excuse me. Is this the map you’re referring to, and the one that caused our current predicament by not including a second majority black district? The year lines up. If so, a little ride in a time machine tells me that it wasn’t much different and encompassed pretty much the same area, retaining its “bat shape”, with minor differences. If not, I’ll have to have another look on the ol’ Internet machine. Mind you, I don’t expect it to be much different - the district has occupied pretty much the same area with minor shifts here or there for a long time. I don’t expect the SCOTUS to get involved here, and honestly, neither should you. If anything, the decision might cause it to become more contiguous and more compact in the advent of the decision since racial concerns have been put aside, which I think is better for the residents. The only other map that lines up with your query is the 2013-2023 map from the page you’re recommending, in which case it was valid for a decade and also isn’t that much different. I can see the bridge you’re talking about, but the heading tells me it was already there for a while. Pretty sure the SCOTUS wouldn’t intervene for that reason. In terms of what the SCOTUS is or isn’t endorsing, that’s not exactly clear to me. I’m *personally* against redistricting for partisan purposes if it’s to the detriment of the residents, the map has to make sense. Redistricting is a measure that’s supposed to account for changes in the census. If, as a result of those changes and the resulting map adjustments, a given party gains of loses seats then so be it as long as the residents are fairly represented. Hope that answers your question.
Weren't you literally going on about the importance of rural districts earlier?

Dude isn't even consistent in this thread.
I was unaware of the fact that rural districts are inhabited by space aliens, thank you for clarifying. Ya got me.
 
The problem you keep running into is that you seem to disagree that gerrymandering is okay. SCOTUS notionally struck down racial gerrymandering as a means to further partisan gerrymandering, which they explicitly endorse. That is the core problem here, no maps or design principles will get around this.
Gerrymandering is taking up an outsize amount of the narrative here. The VRA by its terms doesn't talk about gerrymandering. It's about discriminating against voters on the basis of their race. The tools of gerrymandering are diluting or enhancing the influence of particular voters based on their location. So certainly we're not talking about two entirely separate things. But their relationship is far from automatic. The VRA was written with an eye towards the not-even-post-Jim Crow South, where black voter suppression was a lot more severe than gerrymandering.

And for the record, the Supreme Court says that (their) restricting partisan gerrymandering is non-justiciable: they'll never be able to rule properly on what the "correct" number of R/D districts should be in a given case, so they're going to ignore such claims. That's not an endorsement of partisan gerrymandering. It's more or less the judicial equivalent of "sir, this is a Wendy's."

If you want to make sense of what the Supreme Court is doing you need to know where they're coming from.

You're already aware this case is the progeny of a long line of litigation and judicially-imposed maps, a critical facet is that the Supreme Court's most direct power is over the federal district courts - here, it's not putting a new burden or requirement on state legislatures. And this is even though the actual holding of this case is that the map Louisiana was set to use (by lower judicial order) violated the Fifteenth Amendment by discriminating on the basis of race.

This case was about the Court imposing a new standard for courts to apply in VRA cases where the Plaintiff claims that a State is discriminating against voters on account of race and the State should therefore redistrict one (or more) additional majority-minority district. Essentially, they wanted to rein in the majority-minority district judicial remedy by heightening the standard for it to be imposed by lower courts.

Oh wow, US Supreme Court went weird to not overturn Allen v. Milligan that is obviously in conflict with Louisiana v. Callais.
This is at least the second time you said this in this thread, and now with feigned surprise. The cases are not in conflict, except in so far as the earlier case didn't explicitly follow the new factual burden imposed on plaintiffs by the later case. Factual differences are exactly what courts don't overturn prior cases over.

Unless you're just assuming that majority-minority districts are unconstitutional under Louisiana. Which the Supreme Court very strenuously avoided saying, because it's not the holding.

I do think that prolong political gridlock would force republicans and democrats agree to end the gerrymandering for all of congressional seats as trade for stability in the country, so it means VRA would be reformed when they legislate the bill to ban on gerrymandering and compliance with constitutional requirement.
Prolonged gridlock is more or less what we've always had, I don't think this time is when that's going to translate into partisans setting aside their differences, to pass a law that says what various states already have (rather ineffectively). The way you "ban" gerrymandering is you take the redistricting power away from the state legislature, and let somebody else do it. Then you just don't call the result a gerrymander...

Furthermore, nobody is getting a bill through this or any conceivable next Congress to significantly modify the core provisions of the VRA. Maybe if the Democrats sweep and get a veto proof supermajority in this year's election? I don't think it's possible. Maybe a Democratic trifecta in '29 would try to modify something as serious, but that would be attendant to all kinds of extreme steps like adding states (to pack the Senate), nuking the filibuster, and packing the Supreme Court.

If you want a prediction out of me: expect some amusingly easy pleading under this purportedly-according-to-critics-impossible Louisiana standard. The heightened capabilities of gerrymandering (i.e., more lopsidedly partisan results) recently come from computers and math. Those same tools are available to plaintiffs in future cases. I'm not saying it'll be as easy pleading as it was in the past, but it's going to be close to trivial for plaintiffs to gin up the quantitative evidence and counterfactuals about voters and districts that Louisiana is demanding. Where I think you will see a difference is in federal district court orders resolving these cases - they're going to rarely, if ever, order majority-minority districts explicitly. The more aggressive ones will impose maps of their design/choosing directly (that... perhaps... include additional majority minority districts), the less aggressive ones will order legislatures to redistrict without expressly stating majority-minority. The Gingles standard's fit to these cases is going to get worse.
 
This is at least the second time you said this in this thread, and now with feigned surprise. The cases are not in conflict, except in so far as the earlier case didn't explicitly follow the new factual burden imposed on plaintiffs by the later case. Factual differences are exactly what courts don't overturn prior cases over.

Unless you're just assuming that majority-minority districts are unconstitutional under Louisiana. Which the Supreme Court very strenuously avoided saying, because it's not the holding.
I just responded to Alabama case that where US Supreme Court lifted the injunction to enable Alabama to redraw the congressional map.

I thought that Alabama would lose the case if they want injunction to be lifted when Supreme Court said two court cases are different.

As for reason, I found them to be very weird.

Maybe if the Democrats sweep and get a veto proof supermajority in this year's election?
That seems unlikely unless GOP becomes deeply unpopular in red states.

That’s not 2008 anymore when political realignment hit Louisiana, Missouri, South Dakota, Ohio, Indiana and Montana after 2010s.

nuking the filibuster, and packing the Supreme Court.
Democrats would consider this option if GOP is deeply unpopular and more voters call for quick changes, otherwise it would be bad idea because GOP can retaliate when they win the majority.
 

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