The US is now at war with Iran

[SeltzerMist]

And the sad part is that no one in this country has any balls or courage to do anything. They'd rather just disappear into their phones and ignore the world around them as they are so fucking self-centered and selfish. They have no clue about how community works and how things that affect others will inevitably affect them.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Suggesting some kind of underground resistance like in the 1940s? With the surveillance we have now, even if you opt out of a cell phone and Internet connection?

 

[littlemisskittn]

Torah - Genesis Chapter 15 verse 18-21
18 - On that day, the Lord formed a covenant with Abram, saying, "To your seed I have given this land, from the river of Egypt until the great river, the Euphrates river.
19 - The Kenites, the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 - And the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Rephaim,
21 - And the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Girgashites and the Jebusites.

So modern day Zionists believe the Jewish people have a divine right to the lands in the middle east, they refer to these lands as "greater israel" and includes
Israel and Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Parts of Egypt (up to the Nile), Parts of Saudi Arabia, Parts of Turkey

This doctrine is also important to American Evangelicals (also zionists) as they believe israel needs to claim these lands + sacrifice the red heifer which will cause Armageddon, god will kill all the Jews and christians will be raptured to heaven.

EDIT: It needs to be said, not every practicing jew of any tribe is a zionist

And yet another reason we need to ban religion outright. This is ridiculous.

 

[titan_tim]

I have to admit, even I'm shocked at how short that lasted.

 

[ChronosNotashi]

And yet another reason we need to ban religion outright. This is ridiculous.

Careful. You're starting to sound like Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu after they rose to power and saw Christianity as a threat to their rule. I can go over the atrocities that the Toyotomi and the Tokugawa Shogunate committed under the justification of specific foreign religions being a threat to Japan, if you'd like. Pretty sure many of them would fall right into the Geneva Convention.

And it didn't even end Christianity in Japan. It survived in secret through "hidden Christians" until Japan eventually re-opened its borders to greater foreign interaction, especially after the Meiji Restoration.

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I have to admit, even I'm shocked at how short that lasted.

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Got a source so we can confirm who violated the ceasefire?

 

[titan_tim]

Careful. You're starting to sound like Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu after they rose to power and saw Christianity as a threat to their rule. I can go over the atrocities that the Toyotomi and the Tokugawa Shogunate committed under the justification of specific foreign religions being a threat to Japan, if you'd like. Pretty sure many of them would fall right into the Geneva Convention.

And it didn't even end Christianity in Japan. It survived in secret through "hidden Christians" until Japan eventually re-opened its borders to greater foreign interaction, especially after the Meiji Restoration.

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Got a source so we can confirm who violated the ceasefire?

There are quite a few outlets saying that it's basically on the precipice of being over.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...trump-deadline-middle-east-crisis-latest-news

It's pretty clear-cut what happened:
- The terms are that ALL fighting is to stop in Iran and all neighboring areas.
- Israel didn't like that, so they continued to bomb Lebanon.
- Iran said that was against the terms and closed the strait again.
- Now Trump is back-peddling and saying that the fighting in Lebanon was never included in the ceasefire.

So once again, Israel is being a little warmongering bitch, and Trump is being strung along.

 

[ChronosNotashi]

There are quite a few outlets saying that it's basically on the precipice of being over.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...trump-deadline-middle-east-crisis-latest-news

It's pretty clear-cut what happened:
- The terms are that ALL fighting is to stop in Iran and all neighboring areas.
- Israel didn't like that, so they continued to bomb Lebanon.
- Iran said that was against the terms and closed the strait again.
- Now Trump is back-peddling and saying that the fighting in Lebanon was never included in the ceasefire.

So once again, Israel is being a little warmongering bitch, and Trump is being strung along.

Yeah, I'm not surprised that Israel would be the one that would violate the ceasefire. If it's not one Middle East region looking to pick a fight with everyone else in the area, it's another. The Middle East is the only other region besides China that's constantly waging bloody war against itself.

I've checked a couple sources myself, and apparently Vance is going to be going to Pakistan on Saturday for peace talks. Taking all bets on possible conclusions.

 

[titan_tim]

Yeah, I'm not surprised that Israel would be the one that would violate the ceasefire.

They didn't abide by them when they were bombing Palestine, so why would they now?

I've checked a couple sources myself, and apparently Vance is going to be going to Pakistan on Saturday for peace talks. Taking all bets on possible conclusions.

This whole year has been so damn off the wall that anyone making bets is either going to be losing a lot of money, or they work for the Trump administration.

 

[granville]

Iran also shot down several drones that were encroaching upon their own airspace (not just Lebanon), which is another violation of the agreement from the US/Israel.

 

[ChronosNotashi]

This whole year has been so damn off the wall that anyone making bets is either going to be losing a lot of money, or they work for the Trump administration.

Well, right now, I've got a 9-2 on Vance being assassinated before or during the talks, and a 2-1 on talks ending in failure to come to an agreement. And full lasting peace in the Middle East is standing at an unprecedented 2000-0 - a bet of USD $0 on full lasting peace pays $2000 if it occurs. Still, very few takers on that one.

 

[titan_tim]

Iran also shot down several drones that were encroaching upon their own airspace (not just Lebanon), which is another violation of the agreement from the US/Israel.

Didn't hear about this and looked into it. Seems there was one Israeli drone (Unless there have been others in the past little while) which was in Iran territory over Lar which they claim is against the ceasefire rules as well.

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Well, right now, I've got a 9-2 on Vance being assassinated before or during the talks, and a 2-1 on talks ending in failure to come to an agreement. And full lasting peace in the Middle East is standing at an unprecedented 2000-0 - a bet of USD $0 on full lasting peace pays $2000 if it occurs. Still, very few takers on that one.

Yikes! Wouldn't want to be Vance! Not that I would have ever wanted to be him any other time in history. Not sure what assassinating the bootlicker would do though.

 

[littlemisskittn]

Careful. You're starting to sound like Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu after they rose to power and saw Christianity as a threat to their rule. I can go over the atrocities that the Toyotomi and the Tokugawa Shogunate committed under the justification of specific foreign religions being a threat to Japan, if you'd like. Pretty sure many of them would fall right into the Geneva Convention.

And it didn't even end Christianity in Japan. It survived in secret through "hidden Christians" until Japan eventually re-opened its borders to greater foreign interaction, especially after the Meiji Restoration.

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Got a source so we can confirm who violated the ceasefire?

It’s because I’m tired of religion always being the problem. Wars, denying people their rights, interfering with and even killing off proven science. I’m so sick of it. Religion shouldn’t be allowed to have this much power. No matter what sect it is.

 

[ChronosNotashi]

Yikes! Wouldn't want to be Vance! Not that I would have ever wanted to be him any other time in history. Not sure what assassinating the bootlicker would do though.

It's not with Vance in particular, but generally there's always the risk of a political ambassador or representative being assassinated in foreign territory by opportunistic extremists. Or captured and held for ransom. Either of which can serve to prolong conflicts that involve conflicting ideologies. So there's always the odds of that, regardless of how low they might be.

Now talks falling apart and not coming to an agreement? That happens so often that 2-1 is the closest the odds can go to without going into the decimal places.

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It’s because I’m tired of religion always being the problem. Wars, denying people their rights, interfering with and even killing off proven science. I’m so sick of it. Religion shouldn’t be allowed to have this much power. No matter what sect it is.

Well, I can certainly understand that, given over 90% of the fighting in the Middle East is over conflicting religious ideologies. But remember that you don't need to have a religion, much less believe in the religion you claim to champion, to be a powerhungry tyrant or authorize genocides that only you benefit from. Sometimes religion is used as a scapegoat by those seeking to secure or gain power, so that the one in charge can either eliminate a perceived threat to their rule, or drag a group down with them if they fall.

After all, Trump originally claimed to champion Christians, yet just this Easter praised Allah, the Muslim god, angering a number of Christians.

 

[Reualed]

Careful. You're starting to sound like Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu after they rose to power and saw Christianity as a threat to their rule. I can go over the atrocities that the Toyotomi and the Tokugawa Shogunate committed under the justification of specific foreign religions being a threat to Japan, if you'd like. Pretty sure many of them would fall right into the Geneva Convention.

And it didn't even end Christianity in Japan. It survived in secret through "hidden Christians" until Japan eventually re-opened its borders to greater foreign interaction, especially after the Meiji Restoration.

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Got a source so we can confirm who violated the ceasefire?

The problem is Christianity and authortian powers have always, every time, co-opted each other.

I hate to keep bringing up goddamn Nazi Germany, but fun fact! Did you know the nazi party at one point tried co-opting Christianity. No it's not because they actually cared about the region. It was for power. It's always godamn power.

Same with most older contexts, the king and his "divine" right to rule, and the crusades that happened to follow.

I am so tired of these so called "Christians" Using supposed "Christianity" as a shield for shitty awful behavior, that is genuinely at this point unchristian.

And no that doesn't automatically mean every Christian should be skinned or whatever, because there are likely still a handful who get it, and not the dogma and awful shit that is added in the supposed name of that religion. At this point it's more than reasonable to ask that we put some actual scrutiny however.

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And to be clear, it's not just Christianity. Buddhism has the same problem too in the eastern side of the world. A lot of stuff that is supposedly in the name of Buddhism, but not actually following, as an excuse for awful or shitty decisions.

 

[littlemisskittn]

After all, Trump originally claimed to champion Christians, yet just this Easter praised Allah, the Muslim god, angering a number of Christians.

I think he more did that out of sarcasm. To mock them after he threatened violence against them. I’d even say he went so far as to call himself Allah.

 

[ChronosNotashi]

The problem is Christianity and authortian powers have always, every time, co-opted each other.

I hate to keep bringing up goddamn Nazi Germany, but fun fact! Did you know the nazi party at one point tried co-opting Christianity. No it's not because they actually cared about the region. It was for power. It's always godamn power.

Same with most older contexts, the king and his "divine" right to rule, and the crusades that happened to follow.

I am so tired of these so called "Christians" Using supposed "Christianity" as a shield for shitty awful behavior, that is genuinely at this point unchristian.

And no that doesn't automatically mean every Christian should be skinned or whatever, because there are likely still a handful who get it, and not the dogma and awful shit that is added in the supposed name of that religion. At this point it's more than reasonable to ask that we put some actual scrutiny however.

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And to be clear, it's not just Christianity. Buddhism has the same problem too in the eastern side of the world. A lot of stuff that is supposedly in the name of Buddhism, but not actually following, as an excuse for awful or shitty decisions.

I mean, I'm not really arguing against what you're saying here. I myself have seen a good number of fake "Christians" who are more or less just looking for a group they can exploit for their advantages (not unsimilar to a Muslim group in one U.S. town that exploited LGBTQ+ supporters to gain local government positions - they even banned the LGBTQ+ flag as "thanks" afterwards).

The thing about Japan's history regarding Christians prior to the Meiji Restoration, though, was that along with Hideyoshi's fears of Christians "converting" Japan's people into a colony (and simultaneously removing his power and authority), there was also the belief pushed that you could not serve both the Emperor/Shogun and God at the same time - if you served God, you did not serve the Emperor or Shogun. That, and many other forms of persecution, were used to justify the executions of Christian missionaries and the extermination of Christianity as a whole in Japan.

Funny enough, that bit of history was brought up in the fictional "Blue Eye Samurai" by season 1's main antagonist when he was "speaking with God". (Should be noted that the guy wasn't a Christian (he was more trying to "make a deal" with God to help the coup he was planning, offering to hand God "a nation of souls" if it was successful), and didn't even ask for a chapel. The Japanese "just assumed the white man needed a chapel, and put it by the dungeon".)

 

[gamefan5]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Suggesting some kind of underground resistance like in the 1940s? With the surveillance we have now, even if you opt out of a cell phone and Internet connection?

That hasn't stopped inhabitants from several countries from organizing a revolt in the last 2 years, even at the cost of losing their life. You'd be surprised how technologically inept a lot of people at the top, are.

 

[Vixi]

And the sad part is that no one in this country has any balls or courage to do anything. They'd rather just disappear into their phones and ignore the world around them as they are so fucking self-centered and selfish. They have no clue about how community works and how things that affect others will inevitably affect them.

 

[littlemisskittn]

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EXACTLY! This and the line that went "So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause"

 

[titan_tim]

This basically sums up the insanity which is taking place in the spin room of the US

 

[SeltzerMist]

That hasn't stopped inhabitants from several countries from organizing a revolt in the last 2 years, even at the cost of losing their life. You'd be surprised how technologically inept a lot of people at the top, are.

True but MAGA does have a lot of gunbeards...