Why is the US terrorizing Venezuela?

[Xzi]

Not all dictatorships are the same, and you know that.

All dictatorships are exponentially worse than allowing a sovereign nation to choose its own leaders. Besides, the dictators that Trump is cozy with are the worst of the worst: Putin, Kim Jong Un, Netanyahu. With idols like those, Venezuela will be lucky if a genocide isn't in their future.

And again, Maduro himself was getting ready to do something similar to his neighbor (invading Guyana for oil).
The irony is palpable here.

This isn't Minority Report, "future crime" is not something that can be prosecuted. And if the US can't hold our own leaders accountable for their crimes, then any prosecution of another nation's leader is simply a farce.

I'm not speaking for any Venezuelan. It's clear as day that the people there are happy about what happened. It's their voice.

You're seeking out anecdotal examples which support your preconceived biases, rather than thinking this through logically. The US has a long history of fucking with South America, and as a result we've made countless enemies there over the decades. This will only add to their ranks.

 

[AlexMCS]

This isn't Minority Report, "future crime" is not something that can be prosecuted.

Yet that's exactly how the aforementioned Bolsonaro went to jail over here, to serve 26 years.
For a coup plan that never left the planning stage.

Like I said, you guys in the US are toddlers when it comes to real corruption and veiled dictatorship.

You're seeking out anecdotal examples which support your preconceived biases, rather than thinking this through logically.

There's sure a whole lot of them all over the world then.
I still think you're wrong, and even many people in here would have liked the same outcome for our own president.

I have nothing further to contribute to the topic, and while it was fun discussing our opposing viewpoints, I guess I'll let it rest.

 

[Xzi]

Yet that's exactly how the aforementioned Bolsonaro went to jail over here, to serve 26 years.
For a coup plan that never left the planning stage.

If there was hard evidence of a plan in place, that's a different scenario. Most importantly, that's an example of a country prosecuting its own criminals, rather than relying on another nation to play world police.

Like I said, you guys in the US are toddlers when it comes to real corruption and veiled dictatorship.

It's not so veiled any more when it comes to Trump, the corruption is right out in the open.

There's sure a whole lot of them all over the world then.

Any celebration of this is short-sighted and foolish. Full regime change would still require a long and brutal ground war on par with Iraq, Venezuela's vice president has the full support of their military.

 

[EthanB]

The man is a cancer and he's destroying the reputation of the US.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Actually, I don't like him at all.

Are you telling me the truth?

 

[Moe87]

Are you telling me the truth?

Be careful, you are going to wake up at favela in Brazil and you wouldn't able to get out easily.

 

[Foxi4]

“…and for my next trick, I’ll make every left-winger on the planet defend a literal dictator!”
- Donald Trump as he takes off a top hat and waves a wand, probably

All jokes aside, it sounds like the operation was conducted very efficiently, a few hours from start to finish, which is Trump’s preferred style. Things worked out much the same way when he took out Soleimani - one and done. He seems to opt for very targeted strikes that take out key figures instead of opting to start “forever wars” like his predecessors. The legality of the move is dubious considering Venezuela is a part of the UN - this kind of development undermines the idea that UN membership offers any kind of protection from the ire of its members. On the flip side, it’s been a good couple of years of the naysayers praying out loud for the same to happen to Putin (rightfully so, I might add), so I can’t treat complaints along the lines of “attack on a sovereign nation” too seriously. The situation is still developing, so we’ll see what happens. I find it hard to imagine a full-scale conflict becoming a reality - Venezuelan figureheads are well-aware that they’d get steamrolled facing the entire military might of the United States. Ideally this leads to a new election and a new leader that is more aligned with the west, so here’s for hoping. Not a huge fan of interventionism myself, but those most affected seem to be cheering. How much of that is genuine and how much is alphabet agency gaslighting remains to be seen.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

“…and for my next trick, I’ll make every left-winger on the planet defend a literal dictator!”
- Donald Trump as he takes off a top hat and waves a wand, probably

Literally no one here is defending Maduro.

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Not a huge fan of interventionism myself, but those most affected seem to be cheering.

They're really not. You lot are sharing the same clips over and over but Venezuela has 28,047,657 (2022 est.) and I really doubt those same clips show even close to 1/10th of that number.

 

[Foxi4]

Literally no one here is defending Maduro.

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They're really not. You lot are sharing the same clips over and over but Venezuela has 28,047,657 (2022 est.) and I really doubt those same clips show even close to 1/10th of that number.

There’s more to this planet than this one subforum in a niche corner of the Internet. I addressed the other point, time will tell what the consequences of this operation will be in the long term and how genuine the celebrations are.

 

[urherenow]

So, how come the Venezuelan President is being tried in the American Judicial system with American due process even though he has not broken any American laws?

You're kidding, right?


Obama put a $!5 billion price on his head (in relation to this executive order: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/doc...suspending-entry-certain-persons-contributing)

Biden increased that amount.
That did not work.

The original (That I know of) indictment was back in 2020.
https://apnews.com/article/caribbea...states-miami-d82797206561db03851e47df125c243f

https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1422326/dl

https://www.state.gov/nicolas-maduro-moros

 

[Dark_Ansem]

You're kidding, right?


Obama put a $!5 billion price on his head (in relation to this executive order: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/doc...suspending-entry-certain-persons-contributing)

Biden increased that amount.
That did not work.

The original (That I know of) indictment was back in 2020.
https://apnews.com/article/caribbea...states-miami-d82797206561db03851e47df125c243f

https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1422326/dl

https://www.state.gov/nicolas-maduro-moros

"One indictment by prosecutors in New York accused Maduro and socialist party boss Diosdado Cabello, head of the rubber-stamping constitutional assembly, of conspiring with Colombian rebels and members of the military “to flood the United States with cocaine” and use the drug trade as a “weapon against America.”

So made up charges still not committed on US soil, it's just like the US to think they can police the entire world just to ignore the rules.

 

[Xzi]

The legality of the move is dubious

I'm sure you'd love to spin it that way, but there's nothing dubious about this. It's a war crime as defined by multiple international and domestic laws. And as usual, with no hesitation, the right is goose-stepping over to the wrong side of history to support it.

On the flip side, it’s been a good couple of years of the naysayers praying out loud for the same to happen to Putin (rightfully so, I might add), so I can’t treat complaints along the lines of “attack on a sovereign nation” too seriously.

There would be slightly more justification there at least, with Russia having been the one to invade another sovereign nation first. Instead this move is to Putin's benefit, much like everything Trump does, as he can just point to the US as being no better than any other corrupt dictatorship/oligarchy.

I find it hard to imagine a full-scale conflict becoming a reality - Venezuelan figureheads are well-aware that they’d get steamrolled facing the entire military might of the United States.

They don't need to win for us to lose, another Vietnam or Iraq right now would plunge the US into depression for at least a decade.

Ideally this leads to a new election and a new leader that is more aligned with the west, so here’s for hoping.

Nobody would be able to trust that such an election would be free of foreign interference.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Nobody would be able to trust that such an election would be free of foreign interference.

Didn't Dump just say to the interim leader: do what we want or pay big price?

 

[Xzi]

Didn't Dump just say to the interim leader: do what we want or pay big price?

Curious how we have the money to run another country but don't have the money to improve our own, isn't it? MVGA doesn't have the same ring to it.

 

[Deleted member 705600]

Time will tell what the consequences of this operation will be in the long term and how genuine the celebrations are.

Probably shooting myself in the foot a bit here, but I honestly just want to wait and see what truly happens after this

It was such an unimaginable scenario for a lot of us and it came so suddenly that I don't really know how to feel. I do believe a lot of people from Venezuela are truly happy and I feel for them, Maduro's was such an atrocious regime and for years I had to hear, see and listen to friends about all the awful shit that has been happening

On the other hand I really don't like interventionism and the precedent this sets for the future, because, what the fuck. I would like to believe the power vacuum will be filled democratically without much intervention, but, alas. There is a lot of things that can happen from here on out

I wanna be less cynical but well, will see what happens. I hoped for a less eventful year but here we are lol

 

[AlexMCS]

Are you telling me the truth?

Yes. People are way too fanatic over here. Almost 80% of the populace is either pro-Lula/PT or pro-Bolsonaro, they don't even care about parties, ideas or ideologies, it's insane, they vote on charisma first.

I dislike them both, but Lula just a bit more since he's more of a hypocrite.

It's almost as stupid as the 2-way split you guys got up there between the 2 ruling parties (Dem vs Rep).
There is a whole range of options, yet the majority insist on picking A or B.

Kinda like an opposite "woke" gender discourse in hindsight...

Back on topic, while Maduro being gone is absolutely amazing, the other relevant countries should try to reel Trump in a little bit more, lest he grows too arrogant and end up starting WW3.

But considering how apathetic the world at large is, even that is doubtful.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

they vote on charisma first.

this has become true everywhere,

 

[Xzi]

Back on topic, while Maduro being gone is absolutely amazing, the other relevant countries should try to reel Trump in a little bit more, lest he grows too arrogant and end up starting WW3.

But considering how apathetic the world at large is, even that is doubtful.

Best we'll get is appeasement, and just like that will embolden Putin to invade another country after Ukraine, it'll embolden Trump to invade another country after Venezuela. Appeasement has never once worked throughout history.

 

[Foxi4]

Probably shooting myself in the foot a bit here, but I honestly just want to wait and see what truly happens after this

Well of course you are - any opinion on the Internet that doesn’t follow the designated “orange man bad” is verboten. Not to worry, not wanting to be a cynic and feeling a small degree of optimism is natural when something ostensibly good happens. We’re now in a short period of time when everyone’s supposed to pretend that countries ran by dictators are “sovereign” and that deposing those dictators is somehow unjustifiable, or that it’s never happened before. There’s not much point in addressing any of it since it’s silly just on the face of it, the President doesn’t require congressional approval for limited scale operations and international law is impotent if it has no enforcement mechanism, or rather, its enforcement mechanism is the United States military to begin with. I hope Venezuelans have a bright future ahead of them, Maduro out of the picture is a positive development in the right direction.

 

[chrisrlink]

what if trump got a taste of this shit himself as i said the ICC could kidnap him a try him for those "drug boa"t bombing in the least tit for tat