Saying NO to fascists/nazis - if you are one of those, you are not welcome here

[Vixi]

So what I’m reading is that this is a dictatorship and if we don’t comply with what you say and want, we get banned? Pretty backwards if you ask me.

Welcome to actions and consequences.

 

[titan_tim]

I think the "debate" for some, such as there is one, is not that anyone "wants Nazis here." As you said, "No shit!" The issue is, whether someone here qualifies is the Admin's call (ultimately) and not everyone else. If you think another member's post violates this or any other rule, report it and let the mod deal with it. But non-staff members calling other members a Nazi/fascist, whether directly or by inference, should be just as bannable an offense. And it happens here all day, every day. Nobody here should be getting these immature smears thrown at them.

If someone is calling you a Nazi, I'll vouch for you.

You have to admit that there's been a HUGE uptick in people being more than comfortable either parroting nazi propaganda, or flat-out saying that they're Nazis. The entire Groyper movement is basically that. I think its mostly young and dumb guys who enjoy the negative attention, or they've been feeding off the internet hate all this time, and this is the final outcome.

For fascism, that's where it becomes more tricky. We have a group of people who seem dead-set on defending their current administration, no matter how fascist it seems to become. Deploying military to LA? 'Sure, we hate LA!' Using the military in DC? 'Well, he's legally allowed to' (....If there's a true emergency). Abducting American citizens off the street? 'Well, they're going to get it wrong sometimes. Who needs due process!' Going after his political enemies like Bolton and law firms? It's getting more and more blatant, and the people who are more moderate have mostly left a long time ago.

Personally, I'd rather they nip it in the bud in order to prevent this board becoming like Twitter. It's just sad that it has to be done in the first place.

 

[Osha]

This thread is pointless. "Oh I'm a Nazi that wants to break the rules. I suppose this thread has corrected me."

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So you bitch about the site not making any money and now you're threatening to ban people who disagree with your politics. Bruh.

This is a privately owned website, just like every private property, the owner is free to kick you out if they hate your vibe, whether you like it or now.

Now, you can either deal with it, or you can leave, your call.

 

[Hanafuda]

Every Nazi I’ve pointed out turned out to be a Nazi. I can’t speak for other members but I’ve had a good hit rate on this one.
I do believe people misuse the terms far too often and even jump the gun. However, an average person seeing obvious Nazism, should call it out. I don’t think you are a Nazi, even if have a lot of disagreements with you.

Thank you. I expect most people here to disagree with me on political issues, that doesn't bother me at all. Nor does it make me like you or anyone less, if disagreement is all there is to it. I'm 58 years old for chrissakes, of course I have different opinions.

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If someone is calling you a Nazi, I'll vouch for you.

You have to admit that there's been a HUGE uptick in people being more than comfortable either parroting nazi propaganda, or flat-out saying that they're Nazis. The entire Groyper movement is basically that. I think its mostly young and dumb guys who enjoy the negative attention, or they've been feeding off the internet hate all this time, and this is the final outcome.

You nailed it.

But a 400lb geek incel in his bedroom looking to cause outrage for attention by saying offensive things isn't a nazi. That's just a loser. When they start attending meetings, well then ya got something.

Deploying military to LA? 'Sure, we hate LA!' Using the military in DC? 'Well, he's legally allowed to' (....If there's a true emergency). Abducting American citizens off the street?

Ever heard of Waco? Ruby Ridge? Elian Gonzalez? Democrats have precedent for all that. Republicans too. Nixon with the students shot by Natl Guard at Kent State, for example. Nothing Trump has done is really "new," just for different reasons this time. (And, ironically, those previous instances are giving him some legal cover now.)

Going after his political enemies like Bolton and law firms?

I don't know if you were watching but there was a helluva lot of that in 2021-2024 as well.

 

[titan_tim]

But a 400lb geek incel in his bedroom looking to cause outrage for attention by saying offensive things isn't a nazi. That's just a loser. When they start attending meetings, well then ya got something.

I don't know if just attending meetings is the differentiator here. Someone can be an absolute horrible person spouting Nazi rhetoric, completely believe what they're saying, and has never organized.

Ever heard of Waco?

Had to look that one up. So the ATF went in to serve a warrant for weapons violations and child abuse to a religious group, which lead to a shootout. Then there was an insanely long standoff for 51 days which was taken over by the FBI. It sounds more like law enforcement overreach more than anything. That wouldn't constitute precedent. For the timing, the ATF raid was given the go-ahead under George H Bush, and then the FBI took over after the raid failed. After that, Clinton took over the mess, but passed it off to Reno to take care of.

Ruby Ridge?

This one also doesn't set precedent for the takeover of a city. They're totally different legal frameworks. But Waco and Ruby Ridge can both be compared to each other for how NOT to take care of standoffs. Also the timing for Ruby Ridge was under George H Bush, not Clinton.

Elian Gonzalez?

I remember that one a bit. But that was also not the same as taking people off the street because they look brown. The kid was on a raft half alive and was given to his uncle in Florida. His father wanted him back in Cuba, which caused all the issues.

Not quite the same as taking multiple American citizen into custody with zero due process and shipping them off hundreds of miles away.

Democrats have precedent for all that. Republicans too. Nixon with the students shot by Natl Guard at Kent State, for example. Nothing Trump has done is really "new," just for different reasons this time. (And, ironically, those previous instances are giving him some legal cover now.)

I don't know if you were watching but there was a helluva lot of that in 2021-2024 as well.

Besides the DOJ going after Trump (With more than enough evidence to do so), did they go after law firms? Did they threaten Universities to do as they're told? Did they force companies to sell a huge stake of the company to the government? Did they do meeting with Biden to ooze compliments on him like every other dictator of the world?

If you believe there was something that happened like that in 2021-2024, please let me know. I'm curious to see how they stack up to what's blatantly happening now.

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

I've been here 20 years. You think I'm a Nazi? Report me. But if the mod disagrees, it's YOU that should be banned.

I never said you were a nazi in that post.

Although if you think what I said applies to you, enough to have a reaction like this, maybe it's time to do some self-reflecting.

But a 400lb geek incel in his bedroom looking to cause outrage for attention by saying offensive things isn't a nazi. That's just a loser. When they start attending meetings, well then ya got something.

So let me get this straight. If I said Jews are the problem with society, and that white people were the superior race, that doesn't make me a nazi...it's only when I start organizing with others to do something about it to where you think "ok, maybe he's a nazi" and even then you'd be skeptical. Why are you so caught up on real nazis only being the most extreme, cartoonish idea of one possible? It's like when racists say racism ended with the civil rights movement and it's only racist when you're trying to take those civil rights away.

The whole point of intolerance to nazi rhetoric is to prevent it from ever getting to that point. Preventing your "disagreements" and "alternate ideas" from having a platform prevents your ideas from spreading and having the ability to reach like-minded people in the first place. We literally have Hitler apologists and Holocaust deniers in the White House right the fuck now, all because of this idea that not allowing that shit to have a platform (on privately-owned websites) is somehow a front to freedom of speech and is an act of censorship.

 

[titan_tim]

The whole point of intolerance to nazi rhetoric is to prevent it from ever getting to that point. Preventing your "disagreements" and "alternate ideas" from having a platform prevents your ideas from spreading and having the ability to reach like-minded people in the first place. We literally have Hitler apologists and Holocaust deniers in the White House right the fuck now, all because of this idea that not allowing that shit to have a platform (on privately-owned websites) is somehow a front to freedom of speech and is an act of censorship.

Yep, the fact that the world has basically become numb to the far right being comfortable enough with outwardly saying they're Nazis is so disheartening. I'm sure we've all seen that Mehdi Hasan video on that Jubilee video, and the outward joy of those people admitting they're fascist right on camera! It's insane!

To wish they could be wiped out entirely is wishful thinking, but they need to fear being vocal about their beliefs. Basically, like it was not THAT long ago.

 

[Hanafuda]

The whole point of intolerance to nazi rhetoric is to prevent it from ever getting to that point. Preventing your "disagreements" and "alternate ideas" from having a platform prevents your ideas from spreading and having the ability to reach like-minded people in the first place.

Sorry, I believe in free speech and the 1st Amendment.

But I also understand *(duh) that those don't apply to conduct/speech moderation on a private forum. That's why I suggested above, if you see inappropriate "Nazi" content here, report it.

But free speech is a foundational tenet of western culture and a constitutionally guaranteed right in my country, and I'm wondering where you stand on that?

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

But free speech is a foundational tenet of western culture and a constitutionally guaranteed right in my country, and I'm wondering where you stand on that?

I am all for free speech, in the literal sense that you cannot be arrested or legally punished for the things you say in a public space. But there are very few "public spaces". You are not entitled to free speech in a privately-owned building, any other privately-owned property, or any privately-owned websites (which is most of them), and they can legally remove you from the premises if they don't like your speech and you refuse to leave. This is fair and just. The only places you are entitled to free speech are either on the sidewalk or on your own property.

The reason free speech exists isn't to protect rightwing rhetoric, it's to protect against authoritarianism, because the alternative can be very easily exploited by it. And yes, I am aware that they still can exploit it by pressuring those private owners to not allow or air certain kinds of speech, and that's exactly what our glorious leader is doing right now.

 

[Hanafuda]

I am all for free speech

ok good.

And yes, I am aware that they still can exploit it by pressuring those private owners to not allow or air certain kinds of speech, and that's exactly what our glorious leader is doing right now.

What's being censored? That crazy Democracy Now! cat lady is ragin' strong every day on the hippie radio station I listen to.

 

[The Catboy]

Thank you. I expect most people here to disagree with me on political issues, that doesn't bother me at all. Nor does it make me like you or anyone less, if disagreement is all there is to it. I'm 58 years old for chrissakes, of course I have different opinions.

You know, I respect that. You alright, mate, you alright

 

[OilFreak]

So what I’m reading is that this is a dictatorship and if we don’t comply with what you say and want, we get banned? Pretty backwards if you ask me.

Where does this expectation that privately owned forums have to allow 100% free speech come from?

 

[titan_tim]

What's being censored? That crazy Democracy Now! cat lady is ragin' strong every day on the hippie radio station I listen to.

1. Erika McEntarfer being fired after releasing the weak jobs report.
2. General Jeffrey Kruse after releasing the report that the damage to Iran wasn't so bad after the US illegally bombed it.
3. The park ranger, Shannon Joslin, was fired for showing a pride flag.
4. Perkins Coie had his security clearance revoked through executive order on the grounds that they represented Hillary Clinton, which is an assault on professional expression.
5. Banning anything in the government that could even imply pride or DEI, to the point that they censored out the name "The Enola Gay".
6. ABA funding was revoked for their criticisms of Trump.

I can go on. This is only 8 months in!!!!

I'm also waiting on the previously requested similar happenings between 2021-2024. I wouldn't bring up the Facebook Hunter Biden's laptop thing. Because after all this time, it was a father not wanting dirty pictures of his son out in the wild, and nothing more. Nothing else was found in that laptop after YEARS of scouring through it.

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

What's being censored? That crazy Democracy Now! cat lady is ragin' strong every day on the hippie radio station I listen to.

How about the multiple defamation lawsuits Trump has filed to news organizations and social media websites for spreading "lies" about him and "falsely" fact-checking his bullshit, just for the sake of bullying them and draining their funding dry through legal fees if they don't comply? How about how he's pressured Paramount the same way into silencing Stephen Colbert, and in case you genuinely believe that was a coincidence or purely economical, now Jon Stewart? And although technically PBS isn't privately-owned, the slashing of their funding for being "biased" is a symptom of the same disease.

You could probably handwave each example of Trump bullying private companies as not being rooted in censorship and being purely based on law or business, and that's precisely what this administration wants you to think.

Where does this expectation that privately owned forums have to allow 100% free speech come from?

4chan. For some reason these people think that if 4chan allows it, every website should allow it. These people see 4chan (or worse, 8chan) as somehow being this shining example of free speech on the internet.

 

[titan_tim]

How about the multiple defamation lawsuits Trump has filed to news organizations and social media websites for spreading "lies" about him and "falsely" fact-checking his bullshit, just for the sake of bullying them and draining their funding dry through legal fees if they don't comply? How about how he's pressured Paramount the same way into silencing Stephen Colbert, and in case you genuinely believe that was a coincidence or purely economical, now Jon Stewart? And although technically PBS isn't privately-owned, the slashing of their funding for being "biased" is a symptom of the same disease.

You could probably handwave each example of Trump bullying private companies as not being rooted in censorship and being purely based on law or business, and that's precisely what this administration wants you to think.

4chan. For some reason these people think that if 4chan allows it, every website should allow it. These people see 4chan (or worse, 8chan) as somehow being this shining example of free speech on the internet.

A new day, a new stomping on free speech:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trumps-flag-burning-order-draws-rare-fire-from-conservatives

 

[The Catboy]

A new day, a new stomping on free speech:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trumps-flag-burning-order-draws-rare-fire-from-conservatives

Another stupid executive order to clog up the system. Dude really making it too obvious that he’s in the Epstein files

 

[Earthshine]

The only places you are entitled to free speech are either on the sidewalk or on your own property.

People are allowed 100% freedom of speech EVERYwhere. Including private web sites, private property, etc. The thing is, freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences for using that freedom. That includes your own property and a public sidewalk. There are things like disturbing the peace, public drunkenness, inciting a riot, etc. that can lawfully get you arrested ANYWHERE for your speech alone.

 

[BlazeHeatnix]

People are allowed 100% freedom of speech EVERYwhere. Including private web sites, private property, etc. The thing is, freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences for using that freedom. That includes your own property and a public sidewalk. There are things like disturbing the peace, public drunkenness, inciting a riot, etc. that can lawfully get you arrested ANYWHERE for your speech alone.

You're right, I should have clarified. I meant you are not entitled to not being arrested for your political views outside of those scenarios (or rather, refusing to leave the premises due to your political views). Still, the point is that you can be kicked out of and banned from private property for literally any reason. Doesn't have to be because you're disturbing the peace or inciting a riot. You can be refused service for any reason, including if they just don't like you. And again, this is fair and just. Those who argue against that for the sake of "free speech" are simultaneously protesting against property rights.

 

[Vixi]

People are allowed 100% freedom of speech EVERYwhere. Including private web sites, private property, etc. The thing is, freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences for using that freedom. That includes your own property and a public sidewalk. There are things like disturbing the peace, public drunkenness, inciting a riot, etc. that can lawfully get you arrested ANYWHERE for your speech alone.

The private website owners are exercising their freedom of speech by choosing what someone who visits their website reads on their website.

 

[Astralago]

Let’s be absolutely clear.

Fascism and nazism have no place on this forum. We will not tolerate hateful ideologies rooted in supremacy, violence, and the dehumanization of others. If you identify with or promote fascist or nazi views, you are not welcome here. This community will not be a safe haven for intolerance, hate speech, or historical revisionism that seeks to minimize or justify the atrocities committed under these ideologies.

This is not up for debate.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences, and it does not give you the right to poison this space with dangerous rhetoric. There is no “just a different opinion” when that opinion denies the humanity of others or seeks to revive ideologies responsible for some of the worst crimes in human history.

We are committed to fostering a space that is open, diverse, and respectful. That means:

• No displaying of fascist or nazi symbols, slogans, or sentiments
• No support for authoritarianism, racial supremacy, or hate groups
• No coded language or dog whistles meant to disguise extremist ideologies
• No glorification of regimes or figures associated with fascism or nazism

Additionally:

• Stay civil and open-minded when engaging with others, especially when they come from different backgrounds, religions, ethnicities, or life experiences. You do not have to agree with everyone, but you must treat others with basic human decency.
• This is a diverse community. And that diversity is a strength, not a threat.

We are drawing a line. If you find yourself on the wrong side of it, you are free to leave—or you will be removed.

First offenders will be given an immediate 7-days suspension (I am looking at you "bobbytomorow") and subsequent offenses will result in a permanent ban.
If you do not agree with this, you are invited to leave this place immediately.

I usually just come here for answers/lurk a little but decided to join after seeing this randomly - quality post (even if it shouldn't really need saying)