ICE Arrests US Citizen

[SeltzerMist]

Uh... No.

In public spaces, you are absolutely 100% required to have your I.D. card or driver's license on you, at all times. Or your passport. Or military I.D. Something that can prove who you say you are.

This is simply not true. Most people will carry an ID if they're out since they're likely driving, spending money (and have their wallet ) need an ID going into a bar, or buying substances that require you to be 21+ but I can go for a bike ride or walk and have no obligation to carry an ID if I do.

 

[Skv0ra]

Not true in my state (unless you're operating a motor vehicle or buying alcohol).

These are the states where you should always carry an ID on your person, as you may be liable to prove your identity:

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Utah and NY are the funny ones here - one barely has any population, other does too save for the ONLY worthwhile thing to call a city in this nation, where it more than makes sense.

 

[urherenow]

This thread is not about Kilmar Abrego Garcia who is the guy who got moved into a "better" prison in El Salvador. Garcia is no US Citizen, but was a legal immigrant to the US until the Trump administration said "fuck it, let's remove this guy from US soil..."

This thread is about Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, as far as I can tell.

I cannot really blame you, though. There's too many innocent people fucked by the ICE recently.

NO, he was NOT a legal immigrant. A judge very specifically called him an illegal immigrant in 2019. He was given a "withholding of removal status" because he got taken to court and tried to claim asylum because of threats from a gang (which supposedly is no longer a thing, and is unrelated to MS-13... unless you want to speculate that he joined MS-13 *because* of that gang's threats)

Anyway, The fact that he came here illegally precludes him from EVER receiving a Green card (or citizenship). He never had one before, and someone would have to break current law to grant him one. He was, however, granted a work permit...

I'm not defending what happened either. I'm just tired of hearing the same false BS and want to make the truth clear. Bad is bad, and you don't need to add BS to a story to prove the point. Just stick with facts... something I wish the damn media would do. Embellishment sucks. The news used to tell us what was going on, and we had to decide how we felt about it. NOW the news tells us how to feel, and anybody with a brain has to figure out if it's even true or not.

 

[SeltzerMist]

It's legal to seek asylum. I dunno how many more times we have to explain this to MAGA because it's simply not taking.

 

[Hanafuda]

It's legal to seek asylum. I dunno how many more times we have to explain this to MAGA because it's simply not taking.

Why does someone from El Salvador who seeks political asylum from El Salvador need to come to the USA for that asylum? There's Honduras right next door. Nicaragua. Guatemala. Costa Rica. Belize. Mexico. Why aren't any of those countries good enough? To get to Texas from El Salvador, this guy had to have entered and then left two other countries along the way that were not El Salvador. Why does the USA need to take persons who sought political asylum, and already found it?

 

[SeltzerMist]

Why does someone from El Salvador who seeks political asylum from El Salvador need to come to the USA for that asylum? There's Honduras right next door. Nicaragua. Guatemala. Costa Rica. Belize. Mexico. Why aren't any of those countries good enough? To get to Texas from El Salvador, this guy had to have entered and then left two other countries along the way that were not El Salvador. Why does the USA need to take persons who sought political asylum, and already found it?

It doesn't matter why they chose the US and you're trying to detract from the issue. Our laws allow asylum.

 

[Skv0ra]

It doesn't matter why they chose the US and you're trying to detract from the issue. Our laws allow asylum.

Honestly, with how shit our economy's been going, THAT was the first thing that needed to be amended. Cuz again, it's almost like squatter's law courtesy of commiefornia - once the people are IN, there's a long fucking due process to get em off the tax payer tit.

 

[SeltzerMist]

There could also be a number of factors as to why they chose the US. I haven't researched this individual's past in depth but it could have been job prospects, already having family here, etc.

 

[Reualed]

here could also be a number of factors as to why they chose the US. I haven't researched this individual's past in depth but it could have been job prospects, already having family here, etc.

It was because he was threatened with gang violence, and not just to a small degree. His family was extorted by the gang, and If the father didn't get enough money, the gang would of taken Garcia. One time the father barely coughed up enough money and he was almost taken.
He ran away over to his brother who was a US citizen crossing the border illegally and living in the states.
In other words.

Why does someone from El Salvador who seeks political asylum from El Salvador need to come to the USA for that asylum? There's Honduras right next door. Nicaragua. Guatemala. Costa Rica. Belize. Mexico. Why aren't any of those countries good enough? To get to Texas from El Salvador, this guy had to have entered and then left two other countries along the way that were not El Salvador. Why does the USA need to take persons who sought political asylum, and already found it?

Family was in the USA. That's why he went over here, he fled when he was 16.

 

[Hanafuda]

Family was in the USA. That's why he went over here, he fled when he was 16.

Who was already in the USA? There's scant information in the articles I've read. Just that at the age of 16, he fled El Salvador (and Guatemala, and Mexico) to illegally enter the USA due to gang threats against his family's business, and threats they would rape and kill his sisters. Running away to a foreign country seems an odd way of protecting one's family business and sisters, but that's what the news articles I've read say, and I'm supposed to just accept that as a reasonable explanation. It's not.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Who was already in the USA? There's scant information in the articles I've read. Just that at the age of 16, he fled El Salvador (and Guatemala, and Mexico) to illegally enter the USA due to gang threats against his family's business, and threats they would rape and kill his sisters. Running away to a foreign country seems an odd way of protecting one's family business and sisters, but that's what the news articles I've read say, and I'm supposed to just accept that as a reasonable explanation. It's not.

It doesn't matter what you find "reasonable"

I dunno how many more times MAGA needs to be told that asylum seeking is currently legal.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I dunno how many more times MAGA needs to be told that asylum seeking is currently legal.

"Twelve. No wait, fourteen!" (Cit)

 

[Reualed]

Who was already in the USA?

maybe you can read everything I said?

He ran away over to his brother who was a US citizen crossing the border illegally and living in the states.
In other words.

 

[Sir Tortoise]

It doesn't matter what you find "reasonable"

I dunno how many more times MAGA needs to be told that asylum seeking is currently legal.

No, no, it definitely makes much more sense if asylum seekers can only seek asylum in countries directly next to their country of origin. This requirement definitely wasn't reverse-engineered to suit countries that happen to be geographically far from major conflicts.

Or apparently it works even if they're relatively close to a small one, and the person in question has family present already. That's just too much. America is just such a poor country they can't afford to take in any asylum seekers at all, other countries will just have to take on America's humanitarian obligations for them.

 

[Hanafuda]

It doesn't matter what you find "reasonable"

I dunno how many more times MAGA needs to be told that asylum seeking is currently legal.

Abrego-Garcia's asylum claim was denied. So there's no point in continually dropping that word on this conversation. He wasn't supposed to be deported to El Salvador, but he was still subject to deportation.

 

[Reualed]

Abrego-Garcia's asylum claim was denied. So there's no point in dropping that word on this conversation. He wasn't supposed to be deported to El Salvador, but he was still subject to deportation.

He was not subject to deportation (put on pause). As I understood it, they put it on pause due to the fact that Garcia's case proved that if he was deported at all, especially to El Salvador, his safety would be compromised. So they put a hold on his deportation until a decision could be made. Additionally his claim was denied only because he was a year late on applying for it.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Abrego-Garcia's asylum claim was denied. So there's no point in continually dropping that word on this conversation. He wasn't supposed to be deported to El Salvador, but he was still subject to deportation.

I see the goalposts have been moved

 

[Hanafuda]

I see the goalposts have been moved

You're the one who kept hammering on "asylum" as the magic ticket here.

If @Reualed 's post above is accurate that the 2019 immigration judge who denied Abrego-Garcia's claim for asylum also withheld him from being removed to any other country, i.e. not just to El Salvador, then I defer to his post. That's not what I've read though, but the details about this case have been presented very sparsely by the media. One article says one thing, another contradicts it. (I try to read a spectrum of sources due to obvious 'agenda' bias in reporting from both leftwing and rightwing sources.)

Because the 2019 withholding order on Abrego-Garcia's deportation to El Salvador obviously wasn't complied with, the guy deserves a hearing. Then he can be deported somewhere else.

 

[Sir Tortoise]

Abrego-Garcia's asylum claim was denied. So there's no point in continually dropping that word on this conversation. He wasn't supposed to be deported to El Salvador, but he was still subject to deportation.

Then it sounds like you agree with the majority that deporting him to the place he wasn't meant to be deported to may have been a bad choice.

 

[Hanafuda]

Then it sounds like you agree with the majority that deporting him to the place he wasn't meant to be deported to may have been a bad choice.

I don't think it was a choice. I think it just happened without them being aware of the order from 2019. It was a fuck-up, and it should be corrected. But that doesn't mean they just plop him back down in Maryland to live happily ever after.