Donald Trump is now officially the 47th President of the United States of America

[Costello]

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[AdenTheThird]

No one dare speak after the almighty Costello hath spoken...

 

[Deleted member 731084]

He wants to blame DEI hires and Democrats for this incident, yet we didn't have a problem like this for over a decade an a half, and it came after a number of things Trump did.

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This is Trump's fault, plain and simple.

I am once again asking military aircraft to turn on ADS-B (secondary radar) and TCAS (traffic collision avoidance system).
Just because they're allowed to turn it off doesn't mean they should by default.

This helicopter had ADS-B off, which might be a factor. TCAS might have been inoperative at that altitude anyway, but it being off because the military thinks civilian safety rules are for suckers is way too common, no matter who's the sitting President.

I'm mostly surprised we got a midair collision before another (fatal) runway incursion, those have been way too common (thankfully in the near-miss variant, mostly) in the past year or so.

 

[Sir Tortoise]

Asked by a reporter how he could blame diversity programmes for the crash when the investigation had only just begun, the president responded: "Because I have common sense."

"My source is that I made it the fuck up"

I mean, gotta blame someone. Otherwise people might blame him. Can't have that.

 

[SeltzerMist]

We're gonna see a lot of this

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

"I'm going to be a dictator only on day 1" - Trump

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He wants to blame DEI hires and Democrats for this incident, yet we didn't have a problem like this for over a decade an a half, and it came after a number of things Trump did.

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This is Trump's fault, plain and simple.

Imagine thinking any of that could be the cause of an army helicopter crash in a few days.

The absolute peak of liberal lunacy. And actually quite disgusting to try and pin this accident on Trump. Just the levels of sick depravity that these people will stoop to.

 

[DiscostewSM]

Imagine thinking any of that could be the cause of an army helicopter crash in a few days.

The absolute peak of liberal lunacy. And actually quite disgusting to try and pin this accident on Trump. Just the levels of sick depravity that these people will stoop to.

"Leave Trump Alone" is all I read from this nonsense you posted. Trump was directly involved with screwing with their ability to conduct their business, affecting their staff numbers that help coordinate the aircrafts, and you're here defending him like he's the victim.

Trump doesn't care about you, and even if you took a bullet for him, you'd still mean nothing to him.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Imagine thinking any of that could be the cause of an army helicopter crash in a few days.

The absolute peak of liberal lunacy. And actually quite disgusting to try and pin this accident on Trump. Just the levels of sick depravity that these people will stoop to.

It's not dissimilar to defunfing a fire department and suddenly a fire gets out of control on account of the defunfing.

Even you, the guy who said Trump is safer at his own golf courses despite the attempted shooting happening there, should be able to comprehend a simple comparison as this.

 

[BigOnYa]

Imagine thinking any of that could be the cause of an army helicopter crash in a few days.

The absolute peak of liberal lunacy. And actually quite disgusting to try and pin this accident on Trump. Just the levels of sick depravity that these people will stoop to.

Imagine a president Immediately blaming a previous political party without any evidence or an investigation to the real reason. That be like Bush saying 911 was Clintons fault, on September 12th.

 

[AdenTheThird]

Imagine a president Immediately blaming a previous political party without any evidence or an investigation to the real reason. That be like Bush saying 911 was Clintons fault, on September 12th.

I will say here--I won't jump to conclusions and say Trump's defunding spree recently was a direct cause of the crash, as I haven't yet researched the event myself, but that certainly makes more sense then blaming Biden and DEI projects as Trump did.

 

[Deleted member 731084]

"Leave Trump Alone" is all I read from this nonsense you posted. Trump was directly involved with screwing with their ability to conduct their business, affecting their staff numbers that help coordinate the aircrafts, and you're here defending him like he's the victim.

Trump doesn't care about you, and even if you took a bullet for him, you'd still mean nothing to him.

Trump's a piece of shit for implying DEI is at fault, but this is 100% the fault of the Helicopter (and thus not the FAA, more the Department of the Army).



Here's the same helicopter 24 hours before the incident causing THREE BACK TO BACK RA's (resolution alerts; TCAS telling one party to climb and the other to descend, essentially near misses) at just over 1000ft. Below that TCAS stops working reliably, and that's what we saw play out. That helicopter must hear RAs all goddamn day, they probably don't even react anymore.

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The absolute peak of liberal lunacy. And actually quite disgusting to try and pin this accident on Trump. Just the levels of sick depravity that these people will stoop to.

Equally asinine to pin it on "the FAA hired people on stupidity quotas", but who's keeping score. But yes, I call it like it is, because unlike you, I have some integrity.

 

[MFDC12]

I will say here--I won't jump to conclusions and say Trump's defunding spree recently was a direct cause of the crash, as I haven't yet researched the event myself, but that certainly makes more sense then blaming Biden and DEI projects as Trump did.

The Helicopter was told twice to move out of the way for the jet. It’s almost 100% on the helicopter pilot. It would have happened regardless of the firing and defunding, but Trumps response is pretty fucking dumb too. Anyways, I hate to play the don’t-politciize card but I think it’s gross how both sides are politicizing the crash. Just my 2c. If new information emerges I’d gladly change my opinion.

 

[DiscostewSM]

Trump's a piece of shit for implying DEI is at fault, but this is 100% the fault of the Helicopter (and thus not the FAA, more the Department of the Army).

True, but I wouldn't count out Trump's decisions having led to this, considering he did make changes in the military.

 

[Xzi]

The Helicopter was told twice to move out of the way for the jet. It’s almost 100% on the helicopter pilot. It would have happened regardless of the firing and defunding, but Trumps response is pretty fucking dumb too. Anyways, I hate to play the don’t-politciize card but I think it’s gross how both sides are politicizing the crash. Just my 2c. If new information emerges I’d gladly change my opinion.

Nah fuck that, this isn't about "politicization," it's about cause and effect. You force the director of the FAA to resign and put a hiring freeze on air traffic controllers when there's already a shortage of them, the consequences are going to be near-immediate, as we saw play out in real time. The blood is on his hands, and this is just the tip of the iceberg. The repeal of food safety regulations, for example, is going to end up killing thousands, if not tens of thousands.

True, but I wouldn't count out Trump's decisions having led to this, considering he did make changes in the military.

Exactly, Hegseth is the most unqualified pick for secretary of defense that this country has ever had. Trump knows it too, he's made his picks based on who's the biggest sycophant, not who is capable of doing the job properly.

 

[MFDC12]

Nah fuck that, this isn't about "politicization," it's about cause and effect. You force the director of the FAA to resign and put a hiring freeze on air traffic controllers when there's already a shortage of them, the consequences are going to be near-immediate, as we saw play out in real time. The blood is on his hands, and this is just the tip of the iceberg. The repeal of food safety regulations, for example, is going to end up killing thousands, if not tens of thousands.

Normally I agree with everthing you post and the sentiments, but not this. Let me ask you this, let’s say none of these cuts and firings happened, how would this have changed the outcome? The helicopter was told at first to keep sight on this jet. The helicopter did not do anything. Was told to move. Nothing. This is on the helicopter. It is not like the FAA or ATC or whoever could have remotely taken control of the helicopter and forced it to move out of the way

Please keep in mind I’m against the cuts, firings/forced resignations/etc. and I’m not defending that, or Trump, but I genuinely 100% believe this to have been a preventable tragedy that is not political (outside of being a military helicopter)

 

[Xzi]

Normally I agree with everthing you post and the sentiments, but not this. Let me ask you this, let’s say none of these cuts and firings happened, how would this have changed the outcome? The helicopter was told at first to keep sight on this jet. The helicopter did not do anything. Was told to move. Nothing. This is on the helicopter. It is not like the FAA or ATC or whoever could have remotely taken control of the helicopter and forced it to move out of the way

So the commander-in-chief and secretary of defense bear responsibility, no different in this case regardless of which aircraft is at fault. The FAA also could've had the plane circle at a higher altitude until the helicopter was clear of the landing zone, but clearly there weren't enough eyes on the situation.

 

[gamefan5]

We will crack down more severely on inflammatory or offensive posts since it feels like the rules are largely toyed around with.

This remark is valid for both left and right side of the spectrum. And even the center! And the top and bottom as well. And the transparent and whatnot.

PS: in large threads like this one, we heavily rely on reports so don't hesitate to hit the report button if you feel the rules aren't being respected.

Thank you. Will keep this in mind!

 

[Deleted member 731084]

The FAA also could've had the plane circle at a higher altitude until the helicopter was clear of the landing zone, but clearly there weren't enough eyes on the situation.

Tell me you don't know how ATC works without telling me you don't know how ATC works.

But suffice to say, that helicopter wasn't just passing through, that's where it did its training maneuvers. And it was far off its assigned altitude and flight path. Watch the video above - it caused three near misses the day before. Even if ATC had reported this, it would've ended up with a military liaison aka likely nowhere.

Seriously, there's enough stupid shit Trump does that's actually clear cause and effect, focus on that.

 

[Xzi]

Seriously, there's enough stupid shit Trump does that's actually clear cause and effect, focus on that.

How about not joining in the chorus of excuses and deflection? There will be more than enough cultists to do that at every opportunity over the next four years. For military fuck-ups on US soil, the buck passes through the secretary of defense and then stops at the president's desk, period. Incompetence got those people killed, and incompetence is the only thing that Trump specializes in.

 

[Mythrandir]

The repeal of food safety regulations, for example, is going to end up killing thousands, if not tens of thousands.

Are you referring to this?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ory-overhaul-raises-food-safety-fears-n839926

That's actually a good proposal. The efficacy of HACCP plans relies on prerequisite programs such as SSOPs. Allowing USDA FSIS to focus on inspecting and evaluating the facilities, SOPs, SSOPs, etc. rather than focusing on carcass inspection would allow greater coverage, assuming that carcass inspectors aren't outright pulled from the harvest floors. Although, I can see there being greater concern for the occurrence of abscesses and cysts in meat, though this is a quality issue rather than a food safety issue. The producer would very much dislike an increase in consumer complaints as retailers will demand better quality product from the producer. I don't care for the idea of exempting line speeds limitations from those who opt-in since that will increase the likelihood of introducing shortcuts, but again, recalls are very costly to producers. There is still a financial incentive for producers to obey food safety regulation.

Other than that, I can only find mention of freezes for new regulatory policy, which may or may not be good depending on what was in the pipeline. Admittedly, I've not been following food regulatory policy very closely. If you have a link listing the regulations that have been repealed, I would like to have a look at it.