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Surely by the token of electing representatives you are in fact a democracy we in the uk are a state/monarchy granted democracy so think you need to take your foot off the c*nt pedal
The individual states are considered a democracy. However, the presidential election is not. And before the awful 17th Amendment, senators were appointed by state legislators. Don't blame me because you believe whatever the propaganda media feeds you and you refuse to look things up on your own.
The individual states are considered a democracy. However, the presidential election is not. And before the awful 17th Amendment, senators were appointed by state legislators. Don't blame me because you believe whatever the propaganda media feeds you and you refuse to look things up on your own.
You could just as easily argue that the U.S. is a representative democracy (and you’d be right, it is). Your argument is based on specificity and comes across as a little pedantic, no offense.
You could just as easily argue that the U.S. is a representative democracy (and you’d be right, it is). Your argument is based on specificity and comes across as a little pedantic, no offense.
It’s a federal constitutional republic. It’s also a democracy. Squares are also rectangles. The element that makes it a democracy is open elections. Once again, your argument is that the word “democracy” isn’t specific enough. Do you entertain the idea that it can in fact be both? Because it is.
You could argue that people voting in their senators removes a designed stopgap. The people were supposed to elect the house while the state legislatures were supposed to elect the senators, so that one would be a control on the other. The majority of the U.S. framework was designed in a “people versus the state” fashion so as to curb the predations of both. If the people elect both the house and the senate then you effectively end up with two houses. The setup prior to the 17th was more closely related to the British framework - the House of Commons representing the interests of the people and the House of Lords representing the interests of the state (in a roundabout way, considering the aristocracy has lost much of its “teeth” in regards to influence over the last few centuries). There’s a nuanced argument to be had whether that’s a good or a bad thing.
It’s a federal constitutional republic. It’s also a democracy. Squares are also rectangles. The element that makes it a democracy is open elections. Once again, your argument is that the word “democracy” isn’t specific enough. Do you entertain the idea that it can in fact be both? Because it is.
The purpose of checks and balances is that all parties are represented in the government. The 17th Amendment diminished the power of the individual states. The same states that created the federal government in the first place became subjugated to their creation.
We’re talking about the United States as a complete entity. If it has a (sizeable) element of democratically held elections then it is a democracy by the virtue of that element. What kind of democracy is another question entirely. I can see your point, I just disagree with the way you state it. Those terms are not mutually exclusive, they’re complimentary. In the same way, the UK is a democracy, because we choose (a part) of our Parliament, but it is also a monarchy, because it has a monarch as the head of state. Heck, it’s even further sub-divided - Wales has its own government, and each county under said government has *another* government, and so on and so forth all the way down to individual cities and their city councils.
We’re talking about the United States as a complete entity. If it has a (sizeable) element of democratically held elections then it is a democracy by the virtue of that element. What kind of democracy is another question entirely. I can see your point, I just disagree with the way you state it. Those terms are not mutually exclusive, they’re complimentary. In the same way, the UK is a democracy, because we choose (a part) of our Parliament, but it is also a monarchy, because it has a monarch as the head of state. Heck, it’s even further sub-divided - Wales has its own government, and each county under said government has *another* government, and so on and so forth all the way down to individual cities and their city councils.
It's been called a republic from the beginning. It's even in our Pledge of Allegiance.
Since the republic has safeguards for the minority whereas democracies are just mob rule, one can't say that the United States is a democracy in all honesty.
It would be like calling a billionaire a millionaire. Even though it's true, it's not descriptive of reality.
It's been called a republic from the beginning. It's even in our Pledge of Allegiance.
Since the republic has safeguards for the minority whereas democracies are just mob rule, one can't say that the United States is a democracy in all honesty.
It would be like calling a billionaire a millionaire. Even though it's true, it's not descriptive of reality.
It is a republic. It’s also a democracy. It’s literally both. The reason why the founders generally didn’t refer to it as one is because at the time the term was synonymous with direct democracy (Madison elaborates on this in Federalist no.14). We’re not talking about direct democracy, we’re talking about representative democracy. Hamilton actually made the case for it at the time, and called it by that name in a letter to Governor Morris (1777). I quote:
”When the deliberative or judicial powers are vested wholly or partly in the collective body of the people, you must expect error, confusion and instability. But a representative democracy, where the right of election is well secured and regulated & the exercise of the legislative, executive and judiciary authorities, is vested in select persons, chosen really and not nominally by the people, will in my opinion be most likely to be happy, regular and durable.”
It is a republic. It’s also a democracy. It’s literally both. The reason why the founders generally didn’t refer to it as one is because at the time the term was synonymous with direct democracy (Madison elaborates on this in Federalist no.14). We’re not talking about direct democracy, we’re talking about representative democracy. Hamilton actually made the case for it at the time, and called it by that name in a letter to Governor Morris (1777). I quote:
It's always confusing to me why people have such a problem calling the United States a republic. There have been numerous arguments about it on GBATemp alone. Why are people so intent on changing language?
When asked what kind of government did they form, Benjamin Franklin answered, "A republic, if we can keep it."
"Democracy is the most vile form of government."
- James Madison
It's always confusing to me why people have such a problem calling the United States a republic. There have been numerous arguments about it on GBATemp alone. Why are people so intent on changing language?
Madison is specifically talking about direct democracy. The U.S. is, indeed, a republic. The method by which you choose your representatives is democratic, which makes the system a democracy. I don’t have an issue with you calling the U.S. what it is - it’s a federal republic. I have an issue with you not acknowledging that it’s a democracy when it demonstrably is one. That being said, we’re getting so circular here that we might get the spins, so I’ll leave it at that. Discussions about subsets and supersets are always delightfully boring.
i forgot to unmark this thread but it sure was a nice exercise in watching traderpattx continue to be an advocate for why his mom should have swallowed.
For being British, your English is horrible. Go reread what I wrote. I never called you a pedo. I merely suggested that you may support them since that is who LibsofTikTok highlights.
Sorry just seen your from Florida as you were, good luck with Ron and Trump. It’s a good sign your now so proud of being in a republic as I believe it was your state that was most adamant that you shouldn’t join. Just a couple of hundred years and look your arguing for it well done, imagine your great grandchild will probably be where we are now some people just evolve at a slower rate, god speed moon beam ....
i forgot to unmark this thread but it sure was a nice exercise in watching traderpattx continue to be an advocate for why his mom should have swallowed.
Sorry just seen your from Florida as you were, good luck with Ron and Trump. It’s a good sign your now so proud of being in a republic as I believe it was your state that was most adamant that you shouldn’t join. Just a couple of hundred years and look your arguing for it well done, imagine your great grandchild will probably be where we are now some people just evolve at a slower rate, god speed moon beam ....
The Constitution establishes a federal democratic republic form of government. That is, we have an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. It is a democracy because people govern themselves. It is representative because people choose elected officials by free and secret ballot.
That republic your so fond of quoting turns out it’s kind of a....democracy
I mean don’t take my word for it maybe read the constitution
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@Jayro, I don't see whats so special about the DS ML, its just a DS lite in a phat shell. At least the phat model had louder speakers, whereas the lite has a much better screen.
@SylverReZ if you could find a v5 DS ML you would have the best of both worlds since the v5 units had the same backlight brightness levels as the DS Lite unlockable with flashme
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