January 6th hearings

[djpannda]

Every other president was allowed to take classified documents. Why is Trump different? Can you show where in the law it says that the president is not the ultimate declass authority.

sure

In 1978, Congress passed the Presidential Records Act (PRA), which states that any records created or received by the President as part of his constitutional, statutory, or ceremonial duties are the property of the United States government and will be managed by NARA at the end of the administration.

so OBAMA can have 20,000,00 documents..a Truck load heck STADIUM full. as longs as
1. NARA reviewed/categorize/approve the Docs
2. NARA MANAGES the DOC.

and Im pretty sure OBAMA didn't have spy/Nuclear secrets stashed in the Pool closet on a 2 bit resort.

 

[tabzer]

Not even a good attempt at lying.

I know that the rhetoric makes you uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean I am lying. If you could answer the question, that'd be progressive.

sure

In 1978, Congress passed the Presidential Records Act (PRA), which states that any records created or received by the President as part of his constitutional, statutory, or ceremonial duties are the property of the United States government and will be managed by NARA at the end of the administration.

so OBAMA can have 20,000,00 documents..a Truck load heck STADIUM full. as longs as
1. NARA reviewed/categorize/approve the Docs
2. NARA MANAGES the DOC.

and Im pretty sure OBAMA didn't have spy/Nuclear secrets stashed in the Pool closet on a 2 bit resort.

More fucking colors doesn't make you more validated. It makes you look desperate.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Newsflash: Trumpo and his capitol 6 followers are domestic enemies.

Show where Trumpo and his capitol 6 followers infringed on anybody's constitutional rights.

Hot WOKE take!

It ain't wrong though. Communist and fascist governments are required to be secretive to hide their crimes against humanity. You're just mad that it's Trumpo who was declassing documents to expose our governments crimes against humanity.

Can you show in the law where it says the president IS the ultimate declass authority?

Department of the Navy v Egan. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this. It has been discussed on this site before. I'm not gonna rehash what we've already talked about exhaustively, especially to a known troll.

 

[RedColoredStars]

I know that the rhetoric makes you uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean I am lying. If you could answer the question, that'd be progressive.

You're just too incredibly unintelligent for my own liking. You don't even try and I don't think you even actually believe the things you say. Ignored, so I don't have to see such blatant and purposeful stupidity any longer.

 

[djpannda]

I know that the rhetoric makes you uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean I am lying. If you could answer the question, that'd be progressive.




More fucking colors doesn't make you more validated. It makes you look desperate.

... oh my apologies. its just most of you tend not to READ laws... so having it Color Coded might force poeple to read it.. ..well I mean for the ones that actually CAN read.
but hey Orangey/yellow doesn't nullifies your embarrassing pivot

 

[Jayro]

It was rhetorical and makes sense.



It's not in support of Trump that I am so irreverent of the same chorus that has occupied the news space for nearly a decade, without any positive movement.

It leaves me curious how individuals, here, have been personally affected by Trump.*

He purposely made lives harder for Americans, just because he likes to be a dick. What's not to get? Do you want us to provide you with an itemized grocery list, or are you adept with using Google on your own?

 

[TraderPatTX]

sure

In 1978, Congress passed the Presidential Records Act (PRA), which states that any records created or received by the President as part of his constitutional, statutory, or ceremonial duties are the property of the United States government and will be managed by NARA at the end of the administration.

so OBAMA can have 20,000,00 documents..a Truck load heck STADIUM full. as longs as
1. NARA reviewed/categorize/approve the Docs
2. NARA MANAGES the DOC.

and Im pretty sure OBAMA didn't have spy/Nuclear secrets stashed in the Pool closet on a 2 bit resort.

Where have you been? You been off in a corner crying that Lauren Boebert won her re-election after you bragged that she had lost?

Show where Trump had spy/nuclear secrets stashed in the pool closet.

 

[tabzer]

... oh my apologies. its just most of you tend not to READ laws... so having it Color Coded might force poeple to read it.. ..well I mean for the ones that actually CAN read.
but hey Orangey/yellow doesn't nullifies your embarrassing pivot

If you would only put that energy into speaking English.

He purposely made lives harder for Americans, just because he likes to be a dick. What's not to get? Do you want us to provide you with an itemized grocery list, or are you adept with using Google on your own?

My experience with Trump being president was better than Obama. Traveling between the US and Japan was very smooth. Obama made you pay for hypochondriacs.

Yes, I am asking for an example of how your life became more difficult under Trump. Google can't do that for me. It's no better than Twitter; funded by the FBI (and you) apparently.

 

[djpannda]

Every other president was allowed to take classified documents. Why is Trump different? Can you show where in the law it says that the president is not the ultimate declass authority.

Where have you been? You been off in a corner crying that Lauren Boebert won her re-election after you bragged that she had lost?

Show where Trump had spy/nuclear secrets stashed in the pool closet

way to pivot..the fact I just answered your embarrassing question
1978 Presidential Records Act (PRA)

 

[omgcat]

Speaking of which, @omgcat - So you are saying the Idiots in Office, and our own Government can just strip our Rights when they want, and say to hell with the People, and we should just bend over and take it?

i mean, they already are with the attacks on abortion rights and gay marriage/LGBT people. would you be ok if we stripped down the government and replaced it so women have equal medical rights (what medical procedure are men legally not allowed to get?), and we establish freedom OF AND FROM religion?

i'm totally sure your ideal align with everyone and your thoughts of ripping appart the current government will give people back the right to abortion and bodily autonomy and freedom from religious crazies right?

 

[djpannda]

If you would only put that energy into speaking English.

lol cool Xenopbobic joke..
seeing how you imply your not Originally American. I can see your urge to fit in with the Cool NAZIs

 

[tabzer]

You're just too incredibly unintelligent for my own liking. You don't even try and I don't think you even actually believe the things you say. Ignored, so I don't have to see such blatant and purposeful stupidity any longer.

Have fun pounding sand (with your face) and pretending your opinion is the only one that exists.

lol cool Xenopbobic joke..
seeing how you imply your not Originally American. I can see your urge to fit in with the Cool NAZIs

It's not xenophobic to acknowledge that you are horrible at using English. Doesn't take a Nazi to say so, idiot.

Not American, must be a Nazi.

 

[djpannda]

It's not xenophobic to acknowledge that you are horrible at using English. Doesn't take a Nazi to say so, idiot.

Not American, must be a Nazi.

lol yet it was less then two years ago, that YOU SO defensive about not understanding American colloquialisms, as the Thread took its time to explain and not chastise you.
but sure.. ME ENGLISH BAD.= ME POINT INVALID
...please go on==

=

 

[TraderPatTX]

way to pivot..the fact I just answered your embarrassing question
1978 Presidential Records Act (PRA)

And you do know the Supreme Court decision came in 1988, which is 10 years after 1978. They literally based their decision partly on the Presidential Records Act.

I bet you can't even point to the place in the PRA that says the president can't declass.

 

[djpannda]

And you do know the Supreme Court decision came in 1988, which is 10 years after 1978. They literally based their decision partly on the Presidential Records Act.

I bet you can't even point to the place in the PRA that says the president can't declass.

He can "declassify" anything he wants.... the law he broke is not "declassify" mostly because he didn'....t as he did not go thru the Correct channels

Heck he was even laughed in court when they hinted he declassified
"“Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified. And before the special master, Plaintiff resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents,” a three-judge panel that included two Trump appointees ruled for the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals."


its the Ownership and Mantaining statues

as per 44 USC ( last revised 2016)​

§2202. Ownership of Presidential records​

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

§2203. Management and custody of Presidential records​

ec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (t shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether to honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege

Transfer control of custody of presidential records from the president to the archivist, who must deposit the records in an archive​

and ​

§2204.FOIA​

 

[TraderPatTX]

He can "declassify" anything he wants.... the law he broke is not "declassify" mostly because he didn'....t as he did not go thru the Correct channels

Heck he was even laughed in court when they hinted he declassified
"“Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified. And before the special master, Plaintiff resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents,” a three-judge panel that included two Trump appointees ruled for the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals."


its the Ownership and Mantaining statues

as per 44 USC ( last revised 2016)​

§2202. Ownership of Presidential records​

The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

§2203. Management and custody of Presidential records​

ec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (t shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether to honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege

Transfer control of custody of presidential records from the president to the archivist, who must deposit the records in an archive​

and ​

§2204.FOIA​

Well thank goodness you haven't spent all this time arguing that a president can't declass. I'm glad that's all cleared up now.

 

[djpannda]

Well thank goodness you haven't spent all this time arguing that a president can't declass. I'm glad that's all cleared up now.

again.
1. he does not have a magic wand to declassify for Spy/nuclear secrets it needs to go thru the proper dept. and even if it was mundane stuff there is a always paper trail..
2. Mishandling/ stealing documents (declassified or not) is illegal. They are not his property but the property of the USofA

lol can't wait for you guys to start claiming "Trump has Complete PARDON power to pardon himself and that he did not have to write it down, he just did the sign of the Cross and stated YOU ARE FORGIVEN in a mirror " in 6 months

 

[Smoker1]

i mean, they already are with the attacks on abortion rights and gay marriage/LGBT people. would you be ok if we stripped down the government and replaced it so women have equal medical rights (what medical procedure are men legally not allowed to get?), and we establish freedom OF AND FROM religion?

i'm totally sure your ideal align with everyone and your thoughts of ripping appart the current government will give people back the right to abortion and bodily autonomy and freedom from religious crazies right?

Well, that Anti-Abortion crap Violates the 1st Amendment. Pretty sure....

Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise

....means that you can not Establish a Nationwide Religion, nor can you make any Laws based on Religious Views or Beliefs. Not to mention, that whole thing of, "Life begins at Conception", would go against the Jewish Faith, as they see Life starting once you are Born. So yeah, seems like Republicans want to force one specific Religion on People, just like certain others claiming, "This is a Christian Nation!!!" Yeah??? Please show where it says that, and what about the 1st Amendment??????

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Show where Trumpo and his capitol 6 followers infringed on anybody's constitutional rights.

Denying the election results is an attack on democracy and thus, an attack on everybody's constitutional rights.

Plenty of others have just embarrassed you with your ridiculous "der president can do what he wants to docs" claims, so as a reminder..

https://www.americanbar.org/news/ab...es/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/

Key concept; formal procedure required and completed.

 

[lolcatzuru]

He purposely made lives harder for Americans, just because he likes to be a dick. What's not to get? Do you want us to provide you with an itemized grocery list, or are you adept with using Google on your own?

yes, actually? can you name a single thing that trump did that objectively made your life worse? i know one of your guys attacked the speakers husband with a hammer, not exactly a shining moment, but we dont talk about that anymore.