Consoles vs. Computer

[quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3346508' date='Dec 24 2010, 12:34 AM'][quote name='Splych' post='3346503' date='Dec 23 2010, 09:31 PM']that's an add on . technically speaking , an accessory where you will pay extra money just to have the addition of keyboard support .
unlike on PC , you could use an xbox controller without an adapter . though im not sure about ps3 or wii though .[/quote]

...Which is still cheaper than going out and buying the Xbox controller for the computer... :/
"technically speaking", they're both accessories...
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i've seen the Xbox controller go for $40 -> $60 .
i did a quick search on amazon.com and saw your Eagle Eye for only $60 . i was pretty amazed , to see that the PS3 had support for keyboard and mouse .
a controller is like a part of the actual console , so i wouldn't say it's an accessory anymore . however , the eagle eye + keyboard and mouse , that'd equal more than the cost of a controller ...

[quote name='Dangy' post='3346383' date='Dec 24 2010, 05:30 AM']Computer
Pros
+Superior Graphics.
+Easier to customize.
+Game mods.
+Better emulator support.
+Ability to play at higher resolutions/no up-scaling.
+Better MMO experience.
+Controller/mouse and game pad support
+Free online multiplayer (for most games).

Cons
-Easier to cheat/hack.
Some people like to cheat, hack or as some EULA's say modding is hacking such as Maplestories and several others.
-No split-screen multiplayer
Some PC games have split screen multiplayer though they are rare plus you can emulate games that would have it.
-More expensive upfront.
Depends on what you play really.
-More difficult to use overall.





Console
Pros
+Not as easy to cheat.
This mostly counts for the PS3 and 360 on other consoles it is as easy as buying a gameshark or action replay which might be a negative to some people.
+Split-screen multiplayer.
+Cheaper upfront.
+Easier to use overall.

Cons
-Graphically inferior games.
-More difficult to customize/less options.
-Few game mods.
-Less emulator support.
-Up-scaling.
-Little/no MMO games
-Harder to communicate. (Keyboard.)
You can use a headset for some games and if your playing split screen talking is usually faster then typing and easier....
-Cost money to play online (Xbox 360).[/quote]

...and thanks for ripping off my list, Dangy.

[quote name='Rasas' post='3346586' date='Dec 23 2010, 10:12 PM']To me it is important to consider what everyone would want which makes this a pro to some and a con to others.
but it's a con to most people
Shadowgrounds, Dynasty and Samurai Warriors, Several shooters No point to keep going......
okay but it's rare for pc games to support splitscreen
You do know it is fairly easy to cheat on the DS, Wii and PSP which are current generation.
not handhelds, and it's still easier to cheat on pc[/quote]

[quote name='Bulit' post='3346601' date='Dec 24 2010, 07:19 AM'][quote name='Rasas' post='3346586' date='Dec 23 2010, 10:12 PM']To me it is important to consider what everyone would want which makes this a pro to some and a con to others.
but it's a con to most people
Shadowgrounds, Dynasty and Samurai Warriors, Several shooters No point to keep going......
okay but it's rare for pc games to support splitscreen
You do know it is fairly easy to cheat on the DS, Wii and PSP which are current generation.
not handhelds, and it's still easier to cheat on pc[/quote]
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I heard it was getting even more rare for games to have split screen but then again they might be wrong.
I agree cheating and hacking is a con to most people but I find that if you agree to the EULA to certain games modding is counted as hacking so hacking isn't that bad always considering what your doing.
Handhelds have some problems with cheating as well as the Wii but really it depends on the game. Also I suppose the server for PC since the people running the private servers sometimes hand bans out like that when your hacking.

[quote name='Rasas' post='3346612' date='Dec 23 2010, 10:27 PM'][quote name='Bulit' post='3346601' date='Dec 24 2010, 07:19 AM'][quote name='Rasas' post='3346586' date='Dec 23 2010, 10:12 PM']To me it is important to consider what everyone would want which makes this a pro to some and a con to others.
but it's a con to most people
Shadowgrounds, Dynasty and Samurai Warriors, Several shooters No point to keep going......
okay but it's rare for pc games to support splitscreen
You do know it is fairly easy to cheat on the DS, Wii and PSP which are current generation.
not handhelds, and it's still easier to cheat on pc[/quote]
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I heard it was getting even more rare for games to have split screen but then again they might be wrong.
I agree cheating and hacking is a con to most people but I find that if you agree to the EULA to certain games modding is counted as hacking so hacking isn't that bad always considering what your doing.
Handhelds have some problems with cheating as well as the Wii but really it depends on the game. Also I suppose the server for PC since the people running the private servers sometimes hand bans out like that when your hacking.
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do you have any other counter-arguments that you want me to counter-counter-argue?

I could list a hundred differences between PC gaming and console gaming, but I guess the easiest way to sum it up is that PC gaming is suited for personal use whereas consoles are suited for groups.

The answer is simple. If you shit money, you get a super PC from Alienware or something. If you're normal human with an average budget, you go for a console since they're optimized for the games and don't need pricey equipment to run them. I personally prefer computers because of their non limitedness.

[quote name='iSneeze' post='3346652' date='Dec 24 2010, 05:57 PM']The answer is simple. If you shit money, you get a super PC from Alienware or something. If you're normal human with an average budget, you go for a console since they're optimized for the games and don't need pricey equipment to run them. I personally prefer computers because of their non limitedness.[/quote]
It isn't that simple. You could have the best gaming PC in the world but a PC may not be for you when it comes to gaming. PC gamers and console gamers are two different markets.

[quote name='iSneeze' post='3346652' date='Dec 24 2010, 08:57 AM']The answer is simple. If you shit money, you get a super PC from Alienware or something. If you're normal human with an average budget, you go for a console since they're optimized for the games and don't need pricey equipment to run them. I personally prefer computers because of their non limitedness.[/quote]

If you're stupid enough to pay the brand fees for Alienware...sure.
A PC that'll play any game, even if it's on moderate or so settings costs maybe $500. If that. My $500 PC is 2 years old and still plays any games on max settings.
$500 isn't much. Even a kid with a paper route only has to to save up for 2 months. Anyone with a real job could pretty easily afford a PC.

Consoles can be expensive. The console itself? Not so much. I remember when I got my PS2. 45$, then I went and bought 2 decent memory cards for like $25. That's more then half the damn price of my PS2. Controllers for 360 cost around $60 here, new games cost around $74 with taxes.
Comparatively most PC games sell at release for $40-50, and hell, if it's not a multiplayer game you can pirate it easily.

Anyways...i'm just repeating myself and others. Read the thread, woulda saved me time and effort to reply.

Does this debate include handhelds or am I lost?

"It's easier to cheat"

Say that to VAC.

Single player? Sure it's not hard to whip out a trainer, but that's only ruining the single player experience for that person. Multiplayer is a whole different ballgame when it comes to hacking, assuming you aren't playing on the unsecured servers piraters play on.

Also, it's something you'll only encounter if you play with pubbies, which no real PC gamer does on a large enough basis to make it an annoyance.

[quote name='_Chaz_' post='3346730' date='Dec 24 2010, 10:02 AM']Does this debate include handhelds or am I lost?[/quote]

Pretty sure handhelds are a category.
PC, console, handheld. Ya?

[quote name='Hells Malice' post='3346744' date='Dec 24 2010, 03:07 AM'][quote name='_Chaz_' post='3346730' date='Dec 24 2010, 10:02 AM']Does this debate include handhelds or am I lost?[/quote]

Pretty sure handhelds are a category.
PC, console, handheld. Ya?
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Wow, then I really just don't belong in this debate.

Online gaming is great on computers but it's extremely easy to cheat.
So it makes for unfair online with alot of people cheating.

well if you are on a cracked server , then you should expect at least one cheater in the server .
there are a bunch of anti-cheat measures used in games such as VAC and Punkbuster that try to remove the usage of cheats . they actually work , if you're not in a cracked/pirated server .

[quote name='FireGrey' post='3346777' date='Dec 24 2010, 10:30 AM']Online gaming is great on computers but it's extremely easy to cheat.
So it makes for unfair online with alot of people cheating.[/quote]

I'm seriously going to break my face from FaceDesking every time someone says this.
It's not fucking easy to hack GOOD games openly. CSS, TF2, anything Vac secured, good luck. Your ass is fucked if you hack on vac secured server.
The only games riddled with hackers are those shitty MMOFPS like combat arms where the companies in charge of them don't give a shit as long as people buy cash shop items.

You will see console multiplayer hackers just as much as PC multiplayer hackers. It's easier to get and use hacks, but your dumb ass will still be swiftly banned by the righteous banhammer of justice.

[quote name='FireGrey' post='3344639' date='Dec 23 2010, 01:45 PM']I think that consoles are better because they are designed for games.[/quote]

That is the biggest derp statement I have ever read.

And the only people who say it's easy to cheat on PC games either A) play shitty games or B) don't play PC games. TF2, CS:S, and probably any other Valve online-enabled game (probably including L4D, Garry's Mod although it's not an actual Valve game, Half Life 2: Deathmatch, etc) have like no cheating unless you play on a server that allows it.

@OP: You are seriously uneducated on any form of what you're trying to debate. Even as a shitty PC owner and a "casual" PC gamer, I can definitely say even with my crap specs that the PC is a better platform.

EDIT: Odds are I'll still buy consoles over PC's though, mainly because I don't have the money to get a good one. Buying a Xbox is, at most, like $300. Buying a good gaming PC is, from my estimates, at least $1000+ (my friend built his for $1200). With no real consistent work and a lot of other growing hobbies (mainly Magic the Gathering which has been eating all of my money), I don't really see myself saving up all that cash and buying a good PC. I've just been using the desktop I have (which is from like '05 and which specs were really only meant to be good enough for Guild Wars) to play TF2. But the only real downside to PC gaming is the price of the console, but even then if you have the income, over time it'll probably be cheaper due to easier game piracy (for single player games at least) and game sales on Steam.