Consoles vs. Computer

[quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3346270' date='Dec 23 2010, 09:14 PM']

no you dont. you have just gotten used to the auto aim that consoles give you. even on multiplayer. keyboard and mouse will always be more accurate and even comfortable.

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This I disagree with, I don't know what auto aim you're talking about, but comfort and better accuracy for me comes in the form of a controller. And while I could get it for PC, what's the point of paying extra for it when it comes free with the console, which I already prefer.
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I get pissed about auto aim when I snipe on MW2. ON multiple occasions I had just fired and someone ran in front of my reticule and directed the fire to the left or right of my intended traget. Also the M & K combo may be more accurate, but it isn't suited for some people. Take me for example, when I get worked up when I'm doing bad ass on TDM I twitch. On a M & K I hit the wrong buttons. I get pissed off and do so much worse. Also I am definitely not going to buy a controller for my PC because that would ruin the experience for me.

Aim Assist is stupid on all accounts. It's one more way game devs casual the FPS market up.

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[quote name='Argentum Vir' post='3346281' date='Dec 24 2010, 05:19 AM'][quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3346270' date='Dec 23 2010, 09:14 PM']

no you dont. you have just gotten used to the auto aim that consoles give you. even on multiplayer. keyboard and mouse will always be more accurate and even comfortable.

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This I disagree with, I don't know what auto aim you're talking about, but comfort and better accuracy for me comes in the form of a controller. And while I could get it for PC, what's the point of paying extra for it when it comes free with the console, which I already prefer.
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I get pissed about auto aim when I snipe on MW2. ON multiple occasions I had just fired and someone ran in front of my reticule and directed the fire to the left or right of my intended traget. Also the M & K combo may be more accurate, but it isn't suited for some people. Take me for example, when I get worked up when I'm doing bad ass on TDM I twitch. On a M & K I hit the wrong buttons. I get pissed off and do so much worse. Also I am definitely not going to buy a controller for my PC because that would ruin the experience for me.

Aim Assist is stupid on all accounts. It's one more way game devs casual the FPS market up.
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Aim assist is essentially required for consoles. It sucks when it causes misfires, but you'd barely ever hit your target otherwise.
Have you ever tried to betray a teammate on a game like Halo? You don't auto aim on your teammates and it makes aiming at them MUCH harder.
A thumbstick is just too inaccurate overall to work without AA.
Fallout 3/NV for PC (and probably console too) show this very well too. People always complain about how hard it is it aim on F3/NV with a controller, and that's because they don't use aim assist outside of VATs. Or if it does use AA, it doesn't use much.

[quote name='jalaneme' post='3344729' date='Dec 23 2010, 09:41 AM']pc
negative
expensive graphics cards that you have to upgrade EACH time a new game comes out (why do you think pc games are so cheap?)
stuck on desk chair, no confy sofa for you!
to play most recent games you need a very good computer which will cost even more money! + graphic card upgrade each time!
game installs before playing entering the serial no e.t.c extreme measures to install the game thanks to very high piracy on the pc.

posotive
cheat trainers for pc games you can cheat in any recent game you want with no penalties you can also hack and mod any part of the game, a good exsample of this is fallout 3/new vegas.
better graphics than console games and sharper (but at a price to your wallet)
hardware upgrade your pc with better custom case designs graphics cards and so on.
no firmware updates forced opon your system, you can upgrade when you want to upgrade.

console
negative
closed system so no hacking mods or game trainers high risk of bans from console manifacturers
if the console breaks down you have to get a new one with limited warrenty.
no hardware mods, cannot upgrade the graphics card (apart from remove and upgrade the hard drive)
less detail in graphics compared to pc games low resolutions
constant forced firmware updates removal of features vandalisim of your property bricks courption
lack of offline 2 player split screen seems to be a rare breed ths feature now.

posotive
every game you buy you will never need to upgrade the specs, just buy the game put the game disc in and play (excludes ps3 bc of game installs)
hdmi 1080p upscaling
confort of your very own sofa, not hunched up on a desk chair for long hours.
get to use controller pads which are included with the console, you don't have to buy seperatly (unless you need extra pads for multiplayer)
nice big hd screens to play your games on 50" and so on.

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Computers have spell check, which is another pro.

[quote name='Dangy' post='3346349' date='Dec 24 2010, 04:02 AM'][quote name='jalaneme' post='3344729' date='Dec 23 2010, 09:41 AM']pc


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Computers have spell check, which is another pro.
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Bazinga!

Actually, I prefer consoles to computers when it comes go gaming. It's just so much cheaper in the long run IMO (for me at least).

...to summarize things:

Computer

Pros
+superior graphics
+easier to customize/more options
+game mods
+better emulator support
+ability to play at higer resolutions/no upscaling
+Better mmo experience
+controller/mouse and gamepad support
+free online multiplayer (for most games)

Cons
-easier to cheat
-no splitscreen multiplayer
-more expensive upfront
-more difficult to use overall

Console

Pros
+not as easy to cheat
+splitscreen multiplayer
+cheaper upfront
+easier to use overall

cons
-graphically inferior games
-more difficult to customize/less options
-little no game mods
-less emulator support
-upscaling
-little/no mmo games
-no keyboard/ mouse support (not for games at least)
-cost money to play online (xbox 360 only)

[quote name='Bulit' post='3346368' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:21 PM']-no keyboard/ mouse support (not for games at least)[/quote]

For PS3 there is.

[quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3346372' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:22 PM'][quote name='Bulit' post='3346368' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:21 PM']-no keyboard/ mouse support (not for games at least)[/quote]

For PS3 there is.
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but can you play games with them?

[quote name='Bulit' post='3346378' date='Dec 23 2010, 11:27 PM'][quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3346372' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:22 PM'][quote name='Bulit' post='3346368' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:21 PM']-no keyboard/ mouse support (not for games at least)[/quote]

For PS3 there is.
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but can you play games with them?
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I think that it is game specific.

Edit:Also some pc games do offer split screen multiplayer.

[quote name='Bulit' post='3346368' date='Dec 23 2010, 11:21 PM']Computer

Pros
+easier to customize/more options
+game mods
+controller/mouse and gamepad support

Cons
-easier to cheat
-no splitscreen multiplayer
-more expensive upfront
-more difficult to use overall

Console

Pros
+not as easy to cheat
+splitscreen multiplayer
+cheaper upfront
+easier to use overall

cons
-more difficult to customize/less options
-little no game mods[/quote]

Leaving in the things I actually care about, it would appear that consoles is the choice for me.

[quote name='Bulit' post='3346378' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:27 PM'][quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3346372' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:22 PM'][quote name='Bulit' post='3346368' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:21 PM']-no keyboard/ mouse support (not for games at least)[/quote]

For PS3 there is.
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but can you play games with them?
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Yes indeedy. Not really a keyboard, but a converter to let you use your keyboard.

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Computer
Pros
+Superior Graphics.
+Easier to customize.
+Game mods.
+Better emulator support.
+Ability to play at higher resolutions/no up-scaling.
+Better MMO experience.
+Controller/mouse and game pad support
+Free online multiplayer (for most games).

Cons
-Easier to cheat/hack.
-No split-screen multiplayer
-More expensive upfront.
-More difficult to use overall.





Console
Pros
+Not as easy to cheat.
+Split-screen multiplayer.
+Cheaper upfront.
+Easier to use overall.

Cons
-Graphically inferior games.
-More difficult to customize/less options.
-Few game mods.
-Less emulator support.
-Up-scaling.
-Little/no MMO games
-Harder to communicate. (Keyboard.)
-Cost money to play online (Xbox 360).

[quote name='Dangy' post='3346383' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:30 PM']*snip.[/quote]
Thanks for adding periods to my list. [/sarcasm]

[quote name='Dangy' post='3346383' date='Dec 23 2010, 11:30 PM'] [/quote]
"-Graphically inferior games." Actually, Console games look just as good as their PC counterparts. Most games are released with consoles in mind, so the graphics on PC's are limited due to hardware limitations of consoles.
Also, "Up-scaling"? The Xbox360 doesnt "up-scale". If anything, it Down-scales to fit standard-def TV's. the Xbox 360 can set resolutions in the settings. When using the VGA Adapter, you are even given a list of supported monitor resolutions.

"-Harder to communicate. (Keyboard.)" what does this even mean? The xbox 360 has keyboard support on its windows live client, the guide and the dashboard, and in some games, too.

The gaming experience of the console is good. Cant argue with that but the pc has its own experience especially rts and fps games.
The 'original feeling' thing is just meh. Cant argue with that too but the pc has originality too.
The price is also meh coz a console is design for gaming but a pc is the jack. Quantity is better than quality.

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The gaming experience of the console is good, so is the computer. And yes, playing RTS/FPS game on the computer is just awesome, but don't forget there are A LOT of games, namely TWEWY and some other DS games you can't play it on the computer(without the use of emulator). And that brings me to the next topic.

The 'original feeling' is just meh? Sorry but that is only your point of view, assumption. PC have it's originality too, obviously. But since you point out that computer wins the console in ALL aspects, I should say that your logic is somewhat wrong. Would you prefer playing on emulator than playing on console? Likewise, if somehow FPS games can be played in DS, I'm sure you would prefer to play on the computer. It's opinion wise.

So moving on to the next point, the price is also meh? The console is ONLY a design for game? Seriously? You do know that there are many homebrew out there and we can surf the net with it, listening to music. There are restrictions, yes but the console is definitely not created for gaming purpose in my opinion. Though the MAIN purpose is to game. Quantity is better than quality?

Let me ask you, would you rather buy 10 fucked up car that might go nuts anytime or 1 normal car?

[quote name='Bunie' post='3346413' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:50 PM'][quote name='Dangy' post='3346383' date='Dec 23 2010, 11:30 PM'] [/quote]
"-Graphically inferior games." Actually, Console games look just as good as their PC counterparts. Most games are released with consoles in mind, so the graphics on PC's are limited due to hardware limitations of consoles.
more anti-aliasing + higher resolution = better graphics
Also, "Up-scaling"? The Xbox360 doesnt "up-scale". If anything, it Down-scales to fit standard-def TV's. the Xbox 360 can set resolutions in the settings. When using the VGA Adapter, you are even given a list of supported monitor resolutions.
...up-scales to 1080p


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[quote name='EvangelionEX' post='3346438' date='Dec 24 2010, 01:00 PM']

The gaming experience of the console is good. Cant argue with that but the pc has its own experience especially rts and fps games.
The 'original feeling' thing is just meh. Cant argue with that too but the pc has originality too.
The price is also meh coz a console is design for gaming but a pc is the jack. Quantity is better than quality.

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The gaming experience of the console is good, so is the computer. And yes, playing RTS/FPS game on the computer is just awesome, but don't forget there are A LOT of games, namely TWEWY and some other DS games you can't play it on the computer(without the use of emulator). And that brings me to the next topic.

The 'original feeling' is just meh? Sorry but that is only your point of view, assumption. PC have it's originality too, obviously. But since you point out that computer wins the console in ALL aspects, I should say that your logic is somewhat wrong. Would you prefer playing on emulator than playing on console? Likewise, if somehow FPS games can be played in DS, I'm sure you would prefer to play on the computer. It's opinion wise.

So moving on to the next point, the price is also meh? The console is ONLY a design for game? Seriously? You do know that there are many homebrew out there and we can surf the net with it, listening to music. There are restrictions, yes but the console is definitely not created for gaming purpose in my opinion. Though the MAIN purpose is to game. Quantity is better than quality?

Let me ask you, would you rather buy 10 fucked up car that might go nuts anytime or 1 normal car?
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Dude! it was not me who posted it. Its my brother. Im serious.

Besides i say that the pc wins in most of the aspect.

[quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3346382' date='Dec 23 2010, 11:30 PM'][quote name='Bulit' post='3346378' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:27 PM'][quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3346372' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:22 PM'][quote name='Bulit' post='3346368' date='Dec 23 2010, 08:21 PM']-no keyboard/ mouse support (not for games at least)[/quote]

For PS3 there is.
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but can you play games with them?
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Yes indeedy. Not really a keyboard, but a converter to let you use your keyboard.

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that's an add on . technically speaking , an accessory where you will pay extra money just to have the addition of keyboard support .
unlike on PC , you could use an xbox controller without an adapter . though im not sure about ps3 or wii though .

[quote name='Splych' post='3346503' date='Dec 23 2010, 09:31 PM']that's an add on . technically speaking , an accessory where you will pay extra money just to have the addition of keyboard support .
unlike on PC , you could use an xbox controller without an adapter . though im not sure about ps3 or wii though .[/quote]

...Which is still cheaper than going out and buying the Xbox controller for the computer... :/
"technically speaking", they're both accessories...

[quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3346508' date='Dec 23 2010, 09:34 PM'][quote name='Splych' post='3346503' date='Dec 23 2010, 09:31 PM']that's an add on . technically speaking , an accessory where you will pay extra money just to have the addition of keyboard support .
unlike on PC , you could use an xbox controller without an adapter . though im not sure about ps3 or wii though .[/quote]

...Which is still cheaper than going out and buying the Xbox controller for the computer... :/
wired xbox controllers are only $30, while a converter thingy + mouse + keyboard would cost way more than $30
"technically speaking", they're both accessories...

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