Hacking Gateway: The Pudding Is Not A Lie (7.2.0)

[Tomy Sakazaki]

That's if games with NAND saves can be dumped, modified, and reflashed without skewing keys and having our save wiped.

Saves seem to be allocated at specific offsets (there are already scripts that extracts and inject them) and probably its encrypted separately from the actual game program files, it would be only a matter of getting the keys that your console used to generate the save (a task that should be easier on a console using a flashcard). Unfortunately I don't have the knowledge to confirm my suspicions

You obviously have no clue what is involved in getting a RAM dump and how save signing works on the 3DS or you wouldn't be acting like it is such a simple task. Just to fill you in, you are way off.

RAM editing != entire RAM dumping. You only need to overwrite game specific offsets of RAM to make this work.
And it was already done, and specifically envolving Pokémon, that was the way that event pokémons from X/Y were leaked.


EDIT: Yeah, save signing is another matter, still, easier to solve than finding kernel exploits or fake/proper signing programs. Nintendo and every console maker out there will use simpler cryptation on save files.

 

[cearp]

please do not ever support cheats. Im 100% sure somebody will then release a tool to cheat online.
There's always some rat kid wanting to troll people online, that would motivate Nintendo to start banning people

well hopefully nintendo will ban the cheaters if that happens... nothing wrong with that.
i don't mind cheating when the game is not competitive, and usually online and multiplayer means that it is competitive haha, but not always the case.
i really hope that something similar to cwcheat (or it's variants) for pep, where you could just hit a button combo, go in, search memory, edit memory, etc etc, really great tool.
the fact that we can pause the game and go 'home', even run some special small apps, like browser and notes, while the game is still i the background, i hope for some cheat app like that, where you can press home, go to the cheat app, search memory in the game that is running etc etc...
but sure, racing against people in mario kart who use auto win codes or something, that's not fun

 

[MGS1980]

Saves seem to be allocated at specific offsets (there are already scripts that extracts and inject them) and probably its encrypted separately from the actual game program files, it would be only a matter of getting the keys that your console used to generate the save (a task that should be easier on a console using a flashcard). Unfortunately I don't have the knowledge to confirm my suspicions



RAM editing != entire RAM dumping. You only need to overwrite game specific offsets of RAM to make this work.
And it was already done, and specifically envolving Pokémon, that was the way that event pokémons from X/Y were leaked.

Dude, we all know that there has been RAM dumping, but you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Why don't read up on one of the hacking wikis and the topics? After that, you will see just how off base you are saying that it and save editing is just around the corner. You are comparing this machine to a DS. The security arm alone is light years beyond what the DS's was. If you knew that, you wouldn't be spouting off about save editing like you have been.

The people working with Pokemon RAM dumping are working on finding exploits to allow for Pokecheck like functions, but on the whole real time RAM dumping is way beyond the capabilities of the general user.

 

[CeeDee]

Gateway is best pudding.

 

[KidIce]

Cheats are easy:

LOAD "*",8
POKE 22014,9
RUN

See? What the hell are you guys on about? :-)

 

[hippy dave]

Them were the days.

 

[philroy]

i hope they dont crack the 3ds firmware above 4.5 as you only have to look at what happened to the ds when it was cracked the game producers soon stopped making games for the machine the base of 4.5 3ds are in a small proportion to the rest of the 3ds so its not a huge problem to the game makers

 

[Qtis]

i hope they dont crack the 3ds firmware above 4.5 as you only have to look at what happened to the ds when it was cracked the game producers soon stopped making games for the machine the base of 4.5 3ds are in a small proportion to the rest of the 3ds so its not a huge problem to the game makers

Most of the DS games ever released came after the console was wide open to flashcart ROM loading. I'm not saying it won't have any effect on the console and games, but the ds generation is a bad example of developers leaving the console after the original R4 was released..

 

[Steena]

i hope they dont crack the 3ds firmware above 4.5 as you only have to look at what happened to the ds when it was cracked

Yeah, it became one of the most profitable systems of all time.

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

Yeah they are definitely just talking about Emunand here.

 

[bartimeaus91]

So let me get this straight.

This announcement just only mentions that they are WORKING on getting 7.x encryption working. It does not state that they will be able to get it working for sure. In other words, its similar to their original 'we're working on 5.x 6.x support'. It's just an attempt.

 

[Abcdfv]

So let me get this straight.

This announcement just only mentions that they are WORKING on getting 7.x encryption working. It does not state that they will be able to get it working for sure. In other words, its similar to their original 'we're working on 5.x 6.x support'. It's just an attempt.

Yep. You've got it right.

"We're working on it but we don't have it yet"

 

[CFallenleaf]

No they are actively working on it and seem to have gotten close to cracking it. Read this.

Yes, we heard the feedback about the savegame mechanism, and we have plans to improve this and bring it to a whole new level of support.
Yes, we heard about the latest 7.2.0 system firmware, and there is no need to worry.

We have been working on the new encryption puzzle added by the later system firmwares but as they say, the proof is in the pudding.
And unfortunately the pudding is not ready yet, but we know it will be delicious.
This is our top priority right now so please bear with us while we stir and work our magic!

Edit: ninja'd and i totally read your post wrong

 

[TheZoroark007]

Did this mean I can use a Gateway soon with my unhacked 7.2 3ds?

 

[ResleyZ]

Did this mean I can use a Gateway soon with my unhacked 7.2 3ds?

Doesn't seem like it, I thought that too. It probably means that the EmuNAND will be updated to work with the latest firmware.

 

[CFallenleaf]

Did this mean I can use a Gateway soon with my unhacked 7.2 3ds?

No it does not. Its like the person above said. Emunand.

 

[IronClouds]

Where the FUCK is the Ramble Pack support?!

 

[gamesquest1]

Where the FUCK is the Ramble Pack support?!

i think we need to admit gateway will never be able to support ramble pack......thats will have to be a r4i DE exclusive

 

[Foxi4]

Cheats are easy:

LOAD "*",8
POKE 22014,9
RUN

See? What the hell are you guys on about? :-)

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FORMULA TOO COMPLEX
READY.

 

[Tomy Sakazaki]

Dude, we all know that there has been RAM dumping, but you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Why don't read up on one of the hacking wikis and the topics? After that, you will see just how off base you are saying that it and save editing is just around the corner. You are comparing this machine to a DS. The security arm alone is light years beyond what the DS's was. If you knew that, you wouldn't be spouting off about save editing like you have been.

The people working with Pokemon RAM dumping are working on finding exploits to allow for Pokecheck like functions, but on the whole real time RAM dumping is way beyond the capabilities of the general user.

Stop half-reading what other people post. There are 2 ways to broke the metagame of pokémon.
RAM editing (like GameShark/ActionReplay have made on the past) and this was already been done by the guy that leaked shots of event pokémon. Ok, it was on a 4.1~4.5 environment that is required to have kernel access, but hey, everyone that uses flashcards are on this environment, it's only a matter to make the RAM editing/cheating available to public (was it smealum with his private NAND emulation solution?).
The other way is to save edit, this one is hard, but yet should be easier than finding kernel exploits, mainly if you are going to use it on 4.5 environment that already have kernel access.
I'm not talking about doing it on a pure and proper 7.X.X or whatever new version system menu, but things that can be done on a emuNAND-like environment, things for the end users of flashcards.
And to end my post, I didn't affirm anything, it was all speculation.