Hardware Building a new gaming PC, asking for suggestions

[raystriker]

Sure there are plenty of MSI boards that work fine as well. But in my experience all the MSI mobo's I got died. Not saying it'll happen to OP, but y'know, better safe than sorry. I feel like Asus boards are better built tbh, but I don't have anything to back it up.

Which boards did you have?

 

[Jiehfeng]

Which boards did you have?

Ah that's a tough one, I don't quite remember. I have the boxes stored away though.
They weren't high end motherboards though, and also all of them were LGA1150. They hovered around $150. Sorry, I don't quite remember their confusing names.

 

[raystriker]

Ah that's a tough one, I don't quite remember. I have the boxes stored away though.
They weren't high end motherboards though, and also all of them were LGA1150. They hovered around $150. Sorry, I don't quite remember their confusing names.

It's alright. Sometimes there are boards that just have really shitty design. For eg. for budget X570 motherboards, MSI has made a seriously flawed motherboard with the MPG X570 Gaming Edge. The vrm designs are so bad, the motherboard constantly overheats and could possible cause shutdowns. (Basically the processor trying to save itself from damage).
Source:

 

[Jiehfeng]

It's alright. Sometimes there are boards that just have really shitty design. For eg. For budget X570 motherboards, MSI has made a seriously flawed motherboard with the MPG X570 Gaming Edge. The vrm designs are so bad, the motherboard constantly overheats and could possible cause shutdowns.
Source:

I forgot to mention a crucial detail, that I live near the sea. Which is most likely the cause of those mobo's dying by shorting or so. Though with Asus motherboards and their shielding, combined with this Cooler Master case I got which is very well sealed with all sorts of protection, I haven't had problems since.

 

[Deleted member 388531]

AMD + NVIDIA. Go with that and don't let anybody else tell you to "gEt A 5700 xT"

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yPHJCb

Finished. If you don't like the case you can swap it.

 

[raystriker]

AMD + NVIDIA. Go with that and don't let anybody else tell you to "gEt A 5700 xT"

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yPHJCb

Finished. If you don't like the case you can swap it.

5700XT for 400 USD is better than RTX2070 Super for 500 usd. So yes, AMD should generally be a consideration for mainstream 1440p builds.

But you went completely off topic. The 5700XT and 2080 Super aren't even on the same price and performance level, so the 5700XT was never in consideration to begin with (regardless, no need to discard it either).

Also, congrats on choosing the shittiest X570 motherboard out there. Just two posts above yours, I linked to a test/benchmark video that tested and found that the MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI has the shittiest VRM implementation of budget X570 motherboards with ghastly overheating problems. Believe me, VRM implementations have tangible affects on performance and reliability.

Are you even trying brah?

 

[Houjin]

Hey guys, thanks for all your help!

At the moment I am trying to find all of the parts from raystrikers setup (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sDVmdX) for a affordable price, but it looks like I won´t get everything for the available amount of money here in Germany...

Is such an expensive Mainboard really necessary?
The Mainboard itself costs about 420 Euro , which is about 465 USD.

 

[Jiehfeng]

Hey guys, thanks for all your help!

At the moment I am trying to find all of the parts from raystrikers setup (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sDVmdX) for a affordable price, but it looks like I won´t get everything for the available amount of money here in Germany...

Is such an expensive Mainboard really necessary?
The Mainboard itself costs about 420 Euro , which is about 465 USD.

The mobo in that partpicker list? It says $379 for me.
Why not go with this? https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-ROG-Mot...keywords=x570&qid=1566910334&s=gateway&sr=8-2
It's a very good board and many bought it for the 3800x. It's $326. If that's also too much there are lower end alternatives.

Also I wouldn't go with that Gigabyte SSD. Samsung's SSD's are a safer bet and almost everyone recommends them, and it's cheaper. https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-...tag=ddc2bf1b-8f6f-45f9-b340-e64560b8744a&th=1

 

[Deleted member 388531]

5700XT for 400 USD is better than RTX2070 Super for 500 usd. So yes, AMD should generally be a consideration for mainstream 1440p builds.

But you went completely off topic. The 5700XT and 2080 Super aren't even on the same price and performance level, so the 5700XT was never in consideration to begin with (regardless, no need to discard it either).

Also, congrats on choosing the shittiest X570 motherboard out there. Just two posts above yours, I linked to a test/benchmark video that tested and found that the MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI has the shittiest VRM implementation of budget X570 motherboards with ghastly overheating problems. Believe me, VRM implementations have tangible affects on performance and reliability.

Are you even trying brah?

If he plans to use emulators he shouldn't get AMD no matter what due to tons of bugs and a shit OGL driver. @Denni93 do you plan to use emulators? If no then I'd say the 5700XT would probably be better for you.
https://community.amd.com/thread/206176

As for the motherboard, I went and changed it to the one Jeih recommended. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pwsWnH

 

[Houjin]

As far as I know he is not planning to play any emulators so that shouldn´t be a problem.

Sorry for answering so slow, I was and am quite busy at the moment, I am still checking for the best prices for the components you guys recommended to me.

I will keep you updated!

 

[Deleted member 388531]

As far as I know he is not planning to play any emulators so that shouldn´t be a problem.

Sorry for answering so slow, I was and am quite busy at the moment, I am still checking for the best prices for the components you guys recommended to me.

I will keep you updated!

Yeah then get the 5700XT no contest

 

[raystriker]

Yeah then get the 5700XT no contest

Again, why are you bringing the 5700XT the conversation? The budget is large enough to choose the RTX2080 Super.

Edit: The 2070 Super and 5700XT are only to be considered if OP can't get a 2080 Super at fair prices.

 

[Houjin]

@raystriker
Could you recommend another cooling for the cpu instead of a water cooling? To be honest I have no experience with those, so I was looking for another cooling.
This would be my current setup right now, it is still a bit over my limit, but maybe he is willing to spend a bit more^^

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HGDFWD

But I am not sure if the Noctua can even be used with that kind of setup?

 

[Tom Bombadildo]

@raystriker
Could you recommend another cooling for the cpu instead of a water cooling? To be honest I have no experience with those, so I was looking for another cooling.
This would be my current setup right now, it is still a bit over my limit, but maybe he is willing to spend a bit more^^

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HGDFWD

But I am not sure if the Noctua can even be used with that kind of setup?

While the cooler he added is technically water cooling, it's an AIO which means all you have to do is literally just mount the CPU block to the CPU and the radiator to the case and that's it. You won't have to deal with any pumps or tubing or anything like that.

It's basically identical to installing a normal cooling fan but with just a few extra things to mount.

 

[raystriker]

@raystriker
Could you recommend another cooling for the cpu instead of a water cooling? To be honest I have no experience with those, so I was looking for another cooling.
This would be my current setup right now, it is still a bit over my limit, but maybe he is willing to spend a bit more^^

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HGDFWD

But I am not sure if the Noctua can even be used with that kind of setup?

Don't worry about it. It's a closed loop cooler (often called an aio), it's actually easier to install than a large air cooler.
Needs absolutely no maintenance. The radiator+fans bolt right up in the front of the case, and the base plate on the socket.
Watch a few videos about how to do this, and if you have prior building experience, it should all make sense very soon.
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You could also go the air cooling route.
Unfortunately, the D15S won't fit the Phanteks Eclips P400A. This leaves you with two options:
a) Opt for a smaller air cooler- The Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B is a pretty beefy air cooler that will undoubtedly be able to handle anything you throw at it with the Ryzen 3700X. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8GBrxr/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-512-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-5100

b)Change the pc case- The Fractal Define Meshify C is the best case for it's price class imo. It has better compatibility than the P400a, but it also is every so slightly larger. Has enough depth to house a D15s.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y6Crxr
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If air cooling is a must, I'd go with the latter. The D15s will be quieter and cool better. Just be sure you can handle installing larger, heavy air coolers! One mistake and a fall on the mobo could damage the latter!

Edit: If you choose the air cooling route, I heavily recommend buying more case fans. An aio liquid cooler would have come with its own fans, so the default case fans could be repurposed for exhaust. I think the Meshify just comes with one front fan, so it'd be necessary to buy 2 more identical fans for the front (for a total of three for intake), and 2 to 3 fans of your choice for the top exhaust. Same applies for the P400a, you need more case fans to improve the case airflow to help the cpu air cooler breathe.

 

[Jiehfeng]

No love for the 212 evo? https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Direct-Contact/dp/B005O65JXI

 

[raystriker]

No love for the 212 evo? https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Direct-Contact/dp/B005O65JXI

Kinda small, will have to run substantially louder (if at all) to cool the 3700X

 

[Jiehfeng]

Kinda small, will have to run substantially louder (if at all) to cool the 3700X

Oh I see, my bad.

 

[Houjin]

Hey guys,

thanks for your explanations, I will stick with the water cooling then!

so I think I´ve got all of the parts together, so this would be my final setup:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hfvkGG

Can everyone agree with this one?

 

[Jiehfeng]

Hey guys,

thanks for your explanations, I will stick with the water cooling then!

so I think I´ve got all of the parts together, so this would be my final setup:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hfvkGG

Can everyone agree with this one?

This is looking great! I would however change the PSU to this, it's 750W so very much future proofing, some say it's the best gaming PSU currently, it has separate cables, is compact, and it's $10 more than that PSU ($110).
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Supernova-Modular-Warranty-220-G3-0750-X1/dp/B005BE058W

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