Hacking Gateway 4.2b/3.7b

[zhdarkstar]

I see what you mean but I think they need a better marketing person. If people will buy your product to use it alongside another one, seems smart to make that easier if the alternative is to not buy your product at all

I am reminded of a case in my own life. There's a brand of raspberry jam I like that is sold in a plastic jar. The design of the lid is awful and it comes apart easily. I brought a jar to work one day to be able to have toast for a snack and it went all through my top box getting all over my stuff despite having tied it in a plastic bag. Oh and the plastic jar had weird ridges around the inside of it so you can't even use the last 10% of the jam. There is another brand which is nearly as nice but they use a normal glass jar. I wrote to them and told them how much their jar sucked and if they'd ever revisit its design. The response was that the ridges are designed for stacking easily and it wasn't going to change anytime soon.
For awhile I was buying the nice jam, heating it in the microwave and pouring it into glass jars but that got annoying so I just switched to the slightly not as good brand.
The lesson here is that customers want to use your product the way they want to, and if you make them have to do something awkward to be able to use it that way because you'd prefer they used it how YOU think it should be used (boot manager to use Gateway's arm9loaderhax.bin or having to pour jam into a new jar) they will eventually just stop using your product, even if they'd really prefer to be using it, but the awkwardness just isn't worth it (using Luma exclusively or switching jam brands).

Now I want toast and jam...

 

[kublai]

What's a Gateway?

Gateway is a place where you get your tires replaced on your 3DS.

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Is it just me or the Gateway Ultra 3.7.2 Beta zip update only hold the 4.2 Beta update and not the 3.7.2? Anyone else seeing this..

I also only see the v4.2 Beta in the v3.72. download and in the v4.2B it has the v4.2B as well so there's no v3.7.2?

 

[Fgamer]

I'm using A9LH with Luma and was booting straight into GW in sysnand mode when required using the leaked 4.0a launcher previously.

With this new launcher (and I believe 4.0b) there's a 'Booting GW FASTBOOT: SYSNAND' menu where you have to hold L+R+Select to enter GW sysnand mode, is there a way to disable this menu?

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Gateway is a place where you get your tires replaced on your 3DS.

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I also only see the v4.2 Beta in the v3.72. download and in the v4.2B it has the v4.2B as well so there's no v3.7.2?

As stated on the Gateway website 'The launcher.dat update is identical for both public beta 4.2 and 3.7.'

 

[kublai]

I'm using A9LH with Luma and was booting straight into GW when required using the leaked 4.0a launcher previously.

With this new launcher (and I believe 4.0b) there's a 'Booting GW FASTBOOT: SYSNAND' menu where you have to hold L+R+Select to enter GW Sysnand mode, is there a way to disable this menu?

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As stated on the Gateway website 'The launcher.dat update is identical for both public beta 4.2 and 3.7.'

I went back and read it a 2nd time and realized that. Thanks for pointing it out though.

 

[sj33]

It's still confusing. Are 4.x and 3.x still being maintained as separate branches when the launcher is the same?

 

[JCR1]

is good to see that gateway team is alive, maybe is better focus on new features instead that risky fast boot.

 

[diegofg2000]

looks like they didn't updated GW.3dsx file only Launcher.dat

 

[ihaveahax]

looks like they didn't updated GW.3dsx file only Launcher.dat

GW.3dsx just runs Launcher.dat, so does it really matter?

 

[Skeet1983]

Well do you have to hold a key to boot into Gateway? Don't hold that key.

You can be sure by holding Select to get Luma options to come up, then pressing Start to reboot. Also, the version string in Settings will say "sys" instead of "GW3D".

When in Gateway Mode, I don't think the version string says "GW3D". If I remember, mine says "EMU" or something like that. Is this normal? When I was setting up A9LH/Luma, someone in another thread said that EmuNAND is no longer needed and that I should remove it... Thoughts/help appreciated on all this

 

[Reecey]

I'm pleased Gateway are still working updating the emunand part. I was wandering I think myself the Plailects a9lh downgrade guide is complicated, now could you use Gateways 2.1.0 downgrade system menu using Pailects 2.1.0FW.cia files and then use the Plailect's arm9loaderhax.bin file to install a9lh using Gateways menu, instead of Gateways a9lh, is that possible or is Gateways arm9loaderhx.bin file included in the launcher.dat and cannot be done because I don't want to be stuck with 100% Gateway on systemnand don't get me wrong I think Gateways way is much more straight forward installing a9lh but the being stuck with Gateway all the time after is not that straight forward!. If this is not quite correct what I am trying to say sorry about that but I'm sure it sort of makes sense.

 

[stl25]

Who uses Gateway anymore?

Gateway works and I use emuNAND still, so count me as one of the people who still utilize Gateway.

Edit: I also use A9LH so using Gateway is practically painless compared to earlier methods.

 

[Deleted-19228]

I'm pleased Gateway are still working updating the emunand part. I was wandering I think myself the Plailects a9lh downgrade guide is complicated, now could you use Gateways 2.1.0 downgrade system menu using Pailects 2.1.0FW.cia files and then use the Plailect's arm9loaderhax.bin file to install a9lh using Gateways menu, instead of Gateways a9lh, is that possible or is Gateways arm9loaderhx.bin file included in the launcher.dat and cannot be done because I don't want to be stuck with 100% Gateway on systemnand don't get me wrong I think Gateways way is much more straight forward installing a9lh but the being stuck with Gateway all the time after is not that straight forward!. If this is not quite correct what I am trying to say sorry about that but I'm sure it sort of makes sense.

Plailect's guide is probably the easiest I have ever seen. Period.

 

[RupeeClock]

Gateway works and I use emuNAND still, so count me as one of the people who still utilize Gateway.

Edit: I also use A9LH so using Gateway is practically painless compared to earlier methods.

I suppose that Gateway is the less "painful" of solutions to set up.
All you need is a <9.2 firmware system, and a way to set up Menuhax, and you can easily boot into Gateway with Emunand after launching into the Gateway launcher via the Homebrew Launcher. After setting up the Emunand, all you need is FBI.3DS on the Redcard to start installing stuff to an Emunand.
There's no following a guide with risky NAND/firmware writing or downgrading, or Health & Safety injections etc, but the Plailect guide in practice is surprisingly easy and safe to do if you just follow it properly.
The benefits are also much better. It's easy to get banned if playing with 3DS roms from the Redcard, bootrates are pretty much perfect with A9LH/Luma, no accidentally updating the Sysnand to an unbootable/unexploitable state, no reliance on an Emunand on the SD for sub-optimal performance, forcing all software to run with N3DS CPU speeds, straightforward installation of DSiWare and GBA titles, brick-protection by getting NAND backup/restore functionality before system boot, etc.

To summarise, Gateway is easier to set up but more of a hassle to use and maintain. The delay in the 11.1 firmware support alone is part of that.
A9LH/Luma on the other hand whilst not as easy to set up, isn't as hard as people would think and once installed is no hassle to maintain at all.

Plailect's guide does just have that stigma of being daunting at first glance, but it's really very easy once you identify your starting point.

 

[thaikhoa]

From what I tested, the new launcher won't let me in without inserting GW card. Time to get rid of the legend of 3DS scene.

 

[retrofan_k]

Nothing is exactly complicated if you read things throughly, which is half the problem to why there is so many fuck up's.

Some things cannot be unavoidable and especially with computers and modifying game consoles (always slight chance of it going tits up without user intervention), yet if people actually spent more time listening and reading properly, there would not be any major problems.

Right now, the community guide is great for new users to the scene and GW's current implementation should not even be considered.

 

[McWhiters9511]

Who uses Gateway anymore?

me. everyday

 

[Maximilious]

From what I tested, the new launcher won't let me in without inserting GW card. Time to get rid of the legend of 3DS scene.

You could never launch GW/Classic mode without the GW card inserted in the system. The launcher works fine for me, using CN or menuhax as the entry point for launcher.dat. Insert GW card and then launch GW/Classic modes without issue.

 

[A7MAD]

If you're only using Gateway and don't have A9LH, then make sure you update within EmuNAND.

Okay thanks.

 

[aos10]

That's good news for me,i still use cheat codes with some games.

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You shouldn't use Gateway in sysNAND anyway. The official method is EmuNAND and even Gateways says this.

I use GW/Luma3ds in sysnand.

 

[Brawl345]

I use GW/Luma3ds in sysnand.

Please read the posts above. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should or it's officially supported.