2024 Election - What are your key issues, if you are voting?

[smf]

when you choose to become a medical Doctor you have to take the Oath.

That isn't exactly true.

https://patient.info/doctor/ideals-and-the-hippocratic-oath

Many people think that doctors still swear the Hippocratic Oath. It is not compulsory but in fact many medical schools now hold a ceremony where graduating doctors do swear an updated version. The British Medical Association (BMA) drafted a new Hippocratic Oath for consideration by the World Medical Association in 1997 but it was not accepted and there is still no one single modern accepted version[3]. In some medical schools the Declaration of Geneva physician's oath is used[4]. In others an oath individualised by the institution is used.

In 1997 only 50% of UK medical schools used a form of the Hippocratic Oath whereas in 2017 this study found that 19/27 (70%) of schools required an Oath, indicating an increase in the use of the Oath over the preceding 20 years[5].

 

[Dark_Ansem]

British people and foreign nationals who influence and Commit voter fraud

voter fraud is largely committed by right-wing individuals and used as a scare tactic by the same far right. So I don't know what you're talking about, you're full of lies.

 

[linuxares]

Just locking while cleaning

EDIT: You know what, you guys need to touch some grass.
EDIT2: Open again. behave...

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

Just locking while cleaning

EDIT: You know what, you guys need to touch some grass.
EDIT2: Open again. behave...

We DID have seven solid pages of decent debates until personal attacks were introduced.

It's a pretty decent topic, methinks.

 

[linuxares]

Why do you think I kept it open?

 

[Dark_Ansem]

until personal attacks were introduced.

By you. Let's not forget that. And you did it on purpose as early as page 1. Despite your own recommendation below, which you obviously had no intention of complying with.

We don't like each other, but that doesn't mean we can't try to understand the other.

Which is exactly what I meant by "remembering the human".

And to answer that deleted message of yours, unfortunately American politics affect most of the West. I wish the US were simply ignored but that is not going to happen. The chance was there, but now it's gone - frankly, because the English are idiots who have no real idea not only of what they want, but also of how the world works. And yes, I wrote "the English" on purpose, not as an erroneous synonym of "the brits".

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

By you. Let's not forget that. And you did it on purpose as early as page 1. Despite your own recommendation below, which you obviously had no intention of complying with.



Which is exactly what I meant by "remembering the human".

And to answer that deleted message of yours, unfortunately American politics affect most of the West. I wish the US were simply ignored but that is not going to happen. The chance was there, but now it's gone - frankly, because the English are idiots who have no real idea not only of what they want, but how the world works. And yes, I wrote "the English" on purpose, not as an erroneous synonym of "the brits".

You were literally JUST told by a moderator who deleted all of your flaming/off-topic posts to knock it off, and what do you do? Start it right back up on the very first post. Come on, man.


How do US politics affect the issues that you are voting for in your own elections? And why do you have any personal interest in the politics of America? I asked HOW it impacted your day-to-day life. I can't imagine our politics impacting much of what you do every day, beyond just the celebrity factor. When the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs Wade, I can't see that really changing ANY part of British, Irish or Scottish life.

Do Biden's actions have any effect on your own Labour Party? When Trump was President, did that impact the Tories across the pond, and if so, how?

I just figured, you guys are your own sovereign nation, and you have a completely different culture. You can still be a liberal or conservative or whatever, but I can say for a fact that British politics do not factor at all, in any way, in any facet of American existence. Except for when a royal gets married or dies. Then it's on our social media platforms for a couple of days, and fades back into the background.

Although I love the FUCK out of how you guys run the floor over there. It's a madhouse, and it's amazing. I wish we were like that over here. Just a bunch of Senators openly talking shit, mocking each other, laughing, and really having at it. A ruckus of crowd participation. I don't understand a fifth of what I am watching, since I can't relate directly, but, boy, is it a fun spectacle to witness.

Do you guys really spend that much time focused on politics in a foreign nation, or is it just your personal jam? Serious question.

What we eat doesn't make YOU fat, is the point. I don't get the obsession. Maybe you can explain it to me. Without insults and personal attacks. I believe in you.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

How do US politics affect the issues that you are voting for in your own elections? And why do you have any personal interest in the politics of America? I asked HOW it impacted your day-to-day life. I can't imagine our politics impacting much of what you do every day, beyond just the celebrity factor.

You can't eh? Here is a little effort for you. Abortion: ever since Roe v Wade, anti-abortion groups have become far bolder and infesting like rats the clinics that deal with women's health. More importantly, it almost caused the first indiction for abortion in centuries to happen - and while the majority of the blame lied with the Crown Prosecution Service and the, frankly, lazy attitude of British lawmakers who take the "if not broken don't fix it" philosophy to the extrene, no case had come even close to prosecution.

Another case: US private healthcare firms trying to put their disgusting tentacles on UK healthcare.

Another case: Trump's refusal to comply with the obligations the US had with Hungary facilitated Putin's invasion, putting pressure on

Lastly, the US pollutes per capita more than China (not sure about India). If the US put some effort in green energy, other nations would follow instead of hiding behind the "big players doing nothing, not worth it" excuse.

So, to debunk these clearly false metaphor and statement

What we eat doesn't make YOU fat, is the point. I don't get the obsession. Maybe you can explain it to me. Without insults and personal attacks. I believe in you.

there is no "obsession" on my part with US politics. In fact if Europe could stop thinking about the US in general we would all be much happier. The truth is that the US can't keep its hands in its pockets, and this is why it's paramount to check what happens on the other side of the pond. The truth is also that UK conservative politicians are indebted to their neck with the far right in the US, and it's a fact that Republicans will cash it in as much as they can, consequences for the people be damned, as long as their pockets get filled with money and blood.

You were literally JUST told by a moderator who deleted all of your flaming/off-topic posts to knock it off, and what do you do? Start it right back up on the very first post. Come on, man.

If we go counting, you got more posts deleted than me. A bit of self-reflection may be required on your part.

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

You can't eh? Here is a little effort for you. Abortion: ever since Roe v Wade, anti-abortion groups have become far bolder and infesting like rats the clinics that deal with women's health. More importantly, it almost caused the first indiction for abortion in centuries to happen - and while the majority of the blame lied with the Crown Prosecution Service and the, frankly, lazy attitude of British lawmakers who take the "if not broken don't fix it" philosophy to the extrene, no case had come even close to prosecution.

Another case: US private healthcare firms trying to put their disgusting tentacles on UK healthcare.

Another case: Trump's refusal to comply with the obligations the US had with Hungary facilitated Putin's invasion, putting pressure on

Lastly, the US pollutes per capita more than China (not sure about India). If the US put some effort in green energy, other nations would follow instead of hiding behind the "big players doing nothing, not worth it" excuse.

So, to debunk these clearly false metaphor and statement

there is no "obsession" on my part with US politics. In fact if Europe could stop thinking about the US in general we would all be much happier. The truth is that the US can't keep its hands in its pockets, and this is why it's paramount to check what happens on the other side of the pond. The truth is also that UK conservative politicians are indebted to their neck with the far right in the US, and it's a fact that Republicans will cash it in as much as they can, consequences for the people be damned, as long as their pockets get filled with money and blood.


If we go counting, you got more posts deleted than me. A bit of self-reflection may be required on your part.

I don't know who you are trying to attack on the abortion issue. I am fully, 100% pro-abortion. Not "pro-choice", mind you. I support abortions up to the minute before live birth, for any or no reason at all.

I fact, I posit that most of my views on major issues align with, or are in parity, with your own.

Maybe one day you will learn more and you won't be laboring under any false delusions about what I believe in that you invented or extrapolated on your own. If I didn't directly say it, you can't try to pin it on me.

You read the seven pages of ACTUAL debate when I was having discussions with people who weren't... you. You got to see a lot of my beliefs on display. Misanthropic and more existential nihilist than anything, but not evil. Not out to harm people.

I support gay rights, marriage rights, abortions, legalization of marijuana, keeping religion out of schools, a COMPLETE gun ban like Australia did, decimation of the military, major focus on education and the economy.

Do you find any of those views offensive? Can you reach across the aisle and find ANYTHING that you agree with, with someone you actively hate?

 

[supermist]

I support gay rights, marriage rights, abortions, legalization of marijuana

Yet you're on record hoping Trump wins in 2024.

You're also on record staring that military service should be mandatory for all citizens when they reach adulthood (from that theft thread of yours) yet argue in this thread that you want to practically slash the military budget.

So you're either trolling everyone here, or you're so wildly inconsistent with you views that it genuinely is impossible to debate you when your stance seems to change as fast as the temperature these days.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I don't know who you are trying to attack on the abortion issue. I am fully, 100% pro-abortion. Not "pro-choice", mind you. I support abortions up to the minute before live birth, for any or no reason at all.

I'm not attacking anybody - I'm answering, in good faith and against my better judgement, to your question, before you went back and added 4 more to your post. You want to know why non-americans look with dread at US politics. That's one reason. I gave 3 more. Countries doesn't exist in a vacuum, for the better or the worst.

Maybe one day you will learn more and you won't be laboring under any false delusions about what I believe in that you invented or extrapolated on your own. If I didn't directly say it, you can't try to pin it on me.

Eh, I quoted you directly. can't pin any more than that.

You read the seven pages of ACTUAL debate when I was having discussions with people who weren't... you. You got to see a lot of my beliefs on display. Misanthropic and more existential nihilist than anything, but not evil. Not out to harm people.

Yes, then I replied to you, again, in good faith, and you went directly with the insults and sexual obscenities.

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I support gay rights, marriage rights, abortions, legalization of marijuana, keeping religion out of schools, a COMPLETE gun ban like Australia did, decimation of the military, major focus on education and the economy.

And somehow you think a republican win will achieve all this?

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

Yet you're on record hoping Trump wins in 2024.

You're also on record staring that military service should be mandatory for all citizens when they teach adulthood yet argue in this thread that you want to practically slash the military budget.

So you're either trolling everyone here, or you're so wildly inconsistent with you views that it genuinely is impossible to debate you when your stance seems to change as fast as the temperature these days.

Do you know what goes into the military budget? Some of the biggest expenses are aircraft carriers, for example. One aircraft carrier is about $13 billion. There are about 1.24 million enlisted troops today. Averaging their wages at $40k, one aircraft carrier costs as much as the entire yearly wages of 325,000 enlisted men and women.

The average aircraft carrier costs $2.5 million per DAY to run. That's about $912 million per year. That covers another 22,800 troops' wages.

Point being, the bloated military budget we have right now can be put to better purpose. It would improve the American way of life if we had people who had served in some capacity, or gone to trade school (you left that part out), or received a useful degree (you left that part out, too, conveniently).

What I said was that Americans would benefit the same way other countries that DO have mandatory military service, if we had our own mandates. Trade school (funded by the decimated military budget), college (funded by the decimated military budget), or at least two years of service in the military (funded by the decimated military budget).

Economy, education, decimation of the military. Three key issues that I haven't wavered a millimeter from.

Also, none of that about mandatory service even came up on this topic. You are rehashing crap from days ago. You simply couldn't let it go, eh?

My stance only changes when someone is able to prove me wrong. I WILL admit it if someone can do that.

That someone is not you, Stan.

Did you have anything to contribute to the topic, or did you just want to talk about me? That's literally all you have done so far.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Also, none of that even came up on this topic. You are rehashing crap from days ago.

It may be from days ago, but is it true or not?

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

It may be from days ago, but is it true or not?

No. It's without context and inaccurate. I spelled it out for you above. Detailed how it can be done with the exact same funding we have now, at least in part.

I still support some form of mandatory service, be it military, volunteerism, trade school or higher education. We have the budget to accomplish all of this, without raising anyone's taxes at all. Even lowering them in a lot of cases.

Do you disagree that military service provides people with massive benefits later in life?

Are you against offering trade school at no cost to anyone who wants to attend?

Would a requirement to achieve higher education than high school be something you would find fault in?

Tell me where your problem is, and try to do it without personal insults. You're doing really great, by the way. And your hair looks fantastic.

 

[supermist]

Did you have anything to contribute

Pointing out the wild inconsistencies was a contribution. Sorry you don't feel that way but it's understandable since it doesn't paint you in a positive light here.

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

Pointing out the wild inconsistencies was a contribution. Sorry you don't feel that way but it's understandable since it doesn't paint you in a positive light here.

But... you didn't point out even ONE inconsistency. Did I miss something?

You only came here to attack me. Personally.

Which issues are the most important to you in the upcoming election? That's the topic, Stan.

 

[supermist]

Do you disagree that military service provides people with massive benefits later in life?

A disproportionate amount of veterans are homeless or in prison, not to mention have higher mental health issues such as PTSD so I would argue it's NOT a benefit.

Also it should be pretty easy to prove me wrong if I quoted you out of context.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Tell me where your problem is, and try to do it without personal insults. You're doing really great, by the way. And your hair looks fantastic.

It's really difficult to not insult you when all you do is goading for the sake of being glib.

No. It's without context and inaccurate. I spelled it out for you above. Detailed how it can be done with the exact same funding we have now, at least in part.

I'm mostly concerned about what you said re abortion, gun rights and LGBT rights - in which reality a republican win aligns with what you said reported below? More importantly, if said issues are actually relevant to you, how on earth are you a trump supporter?

I support gay rights, marriage rights, abortions, legalization of marijuana, keeping religion out of schools, a COMPLETE gun ban like Australia did, decimation of the military, major focus on education and the economy.

And last but not least

You only came here to attack me. Personally.

Pointing out the inconsistencies in your declarations is not a personal attack.

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

A disproportionate amount of veterans are homeless or in prison, not to mention have higher mental health issues such as PTSD so I would argue it's NOT a benefit.

We don't need to send them to war. We can still train them for national defense and teach them discipline and honor, respect and duty. Pretty sure you had ROTC at your high school. Kind of like that, just longer. After their service, (again, these are 18-year-olds), they will have a plethora of jobs available to them based on their experience. We desperately need better police, and more of them. Can't think of anyone better suited to fill those roles.

We need better border security. Again, I would trust a Marine over a Border Patrol Agent any day.

The military also produces exceptionally healthy adults, due to their intense training compared to most other Americans. It would definitely help with the obesity epidemic in this country, which would help everyone.

I can't see any downsides.

And, as I said, if the military isn't your jam, cool! Go learn a trade! Get a degree that isn't some bullshit like liberal arts or music or childcare (those careers pay the least out of all degrees).

We can do all of this with just 90% of the military budget we currently have in effect today. AND you get a free pony.

 

[supermist]

It's another inconsistency because in this very thread you claim you're all for freedom and liberty but also for mandatory service in military or other (potential back pedal or damage control on your end or whatever) which contradict one another.