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Blood Fetish said:
dinofan01 said:
Just because someone is a different color then you (i.e. different belief) do you not respect them?
Race is an accident of birth. A person has no say in the matter. Religion is something a person makes a conscious decision to involve themself with. It is obvious why one can be viewed critically while another cannot.
accident of birth? I wanna flame you sooooooo bad. And for most people religion isn't a choice. Your born in a catholic household, your gonna be catholic. Same with every religion. Excuse some people for not throwing away years of religion because you say otherwise.
 
Blood Fetish said:
dinofan01 said:
Just because someone is a different color then you (i.e. different belief) do you not respect them?
Race is an accident of birth. A person has no say in the matter. Religion is something a person makes a conscious decision to involve themself with. It is obvious why one can be viewed critically while another cannot.

QUOTE(Toni Plutonij @ Mar 19 2010, 01:02 AM) Still, doesn't change the fact that I do or don't believe in something, and it doesn't prove me being stupid for believing.
If you do not think it is "stupid" to believe something without a shred of proof backing it, then what do you consider it?
Just to make it clear, you're for real here....not messing with us, because I have a hard time believing somebody could write something that....well, stupid..Sorry I really couldn't find a better word.

First of all, race is accident of a birth?! Really, an accident?!?! Really?!
Religion is something you're pretty much pushed upon since the birth, only after bunch of years, you're "ready" to make your own choices, and decide to stick with it, leave or change religion.
If you really want to, everything can be viewed critically, but only if you really want to. I see no point in criticizing anybody on anything, as long as it doesn't have impact on your own life. World is (or at least should be) a free place!


And I surely do NOT think it's stupid to believe in something without a proof as that conflicts with the mere purpose of the word.. BELIEVE! You don't have to KNOW to BELIEVE..you don't have to SEE to BELIEVE.

Let me make it clear that I don't think that Believing has anything to do with Religion. I don't like Religion, any Religion all that much, I do believe there is some kind of force.
But I really hate people who interfere in others lives based on race, nationality, belief, look, expression, sex preference, anything that makes us unique!

Why would anybody make bad assumptions of me based on any of these segments without meeting me first!


Let me give an example: I was raised in the house (and state) that pretty much despise homosexuality. it's treated as sickness and something morbid. Today, former priest said that homosexuality is sin in the same range as pedophilia and alcoholism on national television.
In my early age I "hated gays" as I didn't know any other way. I was told to hate, and I hated, I was on a trip to different state, I saw two guys kissing, and I was disgusted. Only years after I started to think with my own head. Opened my eyes and asked myself, who the fuck is in wrong here?! Two people who are in love and live their lives, or bunch of other people hating them?!
Why should I hate anybody just because they are different in some aspect of their lives.....or in all aspects..What is it to me?

Why do you care if I believe? or to better form the question, why do you have negative opinion of me, based only on the fact that I believe, even tho you actually don't know me?
 
Toni Plutonij said:
Let me make it clear that I don't think that Believing has anything to do with Religion. I don't like Religion, any Religion all that much, I do believe there is some kind of force.
I believe in the Force too, like I said, I'm a Jedi.
 
Toni Plutonij said:
Why would anybody make bad assumptions of me based on any of these segments without meeting me first!
Because this is the internet.
All and all though I do love your post.

Ontopic:
Still as I said, I have my own believes, I used to be a Catholic, but the church had a problem with the fact that I am gay, so I left the church. Then really made my own kinda faith based on the idea of God and idea of an all mighty force that watches over us, but also believe in a scientific backing in the world.
So to me I believe what can be explained, will be explained, what can't be, then there is a reason it can't be explained.
 
Toni Plutonij said:
Just to make it clear, you're for real here....not messing with us, because I have a hard time believing somebody could write something that....well, stupid..Sorry I really couldn't find a better word.
To be clear, you think everyone should accept what others believe... unless you don't agree with it? Then you think it is stupid? Interesting consistency.

QUOTEFirst of all, race is accident of a birth?! Really, an accident?!?! Really?!
Yes, it is. Not sure why you are getting so upset about it. You don't control when or where you are born, nor do you control your parents. Race, nationality, sexual orientation, these are all things you are born into. I despise people who make judgments based on that criteria. What is your problem with that?
 
Blood Fetish said:
Toni Plutonij said:
Just to make it clear, you're for real here....not messing with us, because I have a hard time believing somebody could write something that....well, stupid..Sorry I really couldn't find a better word.
To be clear, you think everyone should accept what others believe... unless you don't agree with it? Then you think it is stupid? Interesting consistency.

QUOTEFirst of all, race is accident of a birth?! Really, an accident?!?! Really?!
Yes, it is. Not sure why you are getting so upset about it. You don't control when or where you are born, nor do you control your parents. Race, nationality, sexual orientation, these are all things you are born into. I despise people who make judgments based on that criteria. What is your problem with that?
Hahaha, I didn't say I don't accept it
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I said I can't find better term then "stupid" for expression that skin color is accident.

I'm not getting upset at all, I simply say that it's bad to have prejudice. Weather it's religion, sexual orientation, race, nationality or something else. That's all.

Everybody is entitled to opinion. I simply refuse to form BAD opinion of someone prior to meeting him, based on their aspects of life that don't interfere with mine.
As I said, live and let live.
 
I am partly agnostic, and don't believe in god or whatever. I believe in science, whatever logic that I am able to analyse and also critical thinking.

While I strongly believe faith is a great and touching thing that can help people in their daily lives, and I respect it, I just can't believe any of those gods as they are most probably created by humans and many religion differ from each other, and stuff like that.

But I also partly believe in my own "supreme being", I have my own vision of a god of the universe, something that caused the Big Bang(or whatever that created the universe), not choose from one of the many "pre-set" god the religions have thought up for me. Though I don't have time to think up something extract like that presently.
 

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