What would it actually take to patch ninjhax?

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  1. shutterbug2000
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    I'm curious. I've heard from numerous posts that ninjhax is unpatchable without:

    A game update(impossible with the original devs gone)

    Blocking CN completely(doubt they would, could potentially lead to legal problems.)

    A new gpu(to fix gspwn, and it could break other existing games.)

    Does anyone know what it would really take to get rid of NH for good? It seems all that nintendo has done is patch the flaws within the game/app itself, meaning that a fw update might not actually be able to fix it.
     
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    A game update
     
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    Fix the GSPWN flaw.

    which is hardware AFAIK
     
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    It would take any of the things you commented. They can't patch and block it fully without having some (so little) people playing it legit get angry because of that.

    They could give refunds, or eShop cards to those who own the game and give it back to them. Although, this would be a total mess. So, no. Can't patch without causing issues.
     
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    An exef patch in a system update? Or am I stupid?
     
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    i should make a romhack for cubic ninja that patches ninjahax so people can suffer through the game
     
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    One easy way to fix future ninjhax installations is to revoke http privileges from Cubic Ninja.
     
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    But, where is nintendo gonna get the source code to do that? Same as the game update problem.
     
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    You're a genius.
     
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    Hmmm, interesting ...
     
  12. shutterbug2000
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    True, very true. Probably the only real way to do it.
     
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    thanks. ill be bigger than smea
     
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    XD
     
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    Time to make offline NH - installers! :P
     
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    I don't think it has them. AFAIK the initial payload in the QR code exploits something else in the system to get that permission.
     
  17. shutterbug2000
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    Actually, smea could just embed a payload into the qr if there's enough room.
     
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    Of course it could still be save installed from a different system that's already hacked, but it certainly makes things more difficult.
     
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    QR codes are ~3 KB max, which is way too little space.
     
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    Ah ok. Kinda figured that tbh :P
     
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    At this point I am going off more theoretical stuff as I have not read any in depth analysis of the CN exploit(s).

    A game update could probably still happen -- the same people they have analysing the hacks probably know enough assembly to do something. Contract law might get in the way but I can not imagine them not reserving the right to do something for system security.

    I do not know if they could ring fence/sandbox the cubic ninja program more than it is. The 3ds has some capability here but probably not enough, though I would be curious to see what the n3ds could do (whether they could offset the overheads of the sandboxing by using n3ds functionality).

    Fight fire with fire -- the hacks may have to wait on things to happen, trip things up here (I see your nop slide and raise you another). Likewise you also have the defender positions reversed -- they might not have to make it gone but hard and annoying to use for the average pleb.
     
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