Homebrew USB Loader GX unresponsive intermittently, steps to diagnose?

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Hi All,

I have been experiencing an issue where my after loading USB Loader GX and browsing my games for awhile the menu will become unresponsive.
These are the symptoms I am categorizing as unresponsive:
Clicking on a game won't bring up the game disk screen.
Images stop loading.
None of the buttons to other menus don't work.
Needs a hard reset to fix.
Wiimote cursor still usable, can navigate back and forth on game list.

I have been mainly ignoring the issue up until now because as long as I get into a game before it occurs everything works fine, it only happens in the USB Loader GX UI. It feels like it get's stuck loading something but I haven't been able to track down what it is stuck on.
I want track down what is causing the issue so I am looking for any information to troubleshoot this issue further.

Specs -
Game Drive: NGFF(M.2) USB 3.0 SSD enclosure with a M.2 1TB Crucial SATA SSD formatted to FAT32.
SD Card: 64GB SanDisk Ultra Plus U1 microSD

Code:
SysCheck HDE v2.4.0 HacksDen Edition by JoostinOnline     Double_A     R2-D2199     and Nano
...runs on IOS58 (rev 6176).           
            
Region: NTSC-U           
System Menu 4.3U (v513)           
Priiloader installed           
Drive date: 07.14.2008           
Homebrew Channel 1.1.2 running on IOS58           
            
Hollywood v0x11           
Console ID: 86456833           
Console Type: Wii           
Shop Channel Country: United States (49)           
Boot2 v4           
Found 98 titles.           
Found 48 IOS on this console. 15 of them are stubs.           
            
IOS3 (rev 65280): Stub           
IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub           
IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches           
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub           
IOS11 (rev 256): Stub           
IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches           
IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches           
IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches           
IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches           
IOS16 (rev 512): Stub           
IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches           
IOS20 (rev 256): Stub           
IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches           
IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches           
IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches           
IOS30 (rev 2816): Stub           
IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches           
IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches           
IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches           
IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches           
IOS36 (rev 3608): No Patches           
IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches           
IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches           
IOS40 (rev 3072): Stub           
IOS41 (rev 3607): No Patches           
IOS43 (rev 3607): No Patches           
IOS45 (rev 3607): No Patches           
IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches           
IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches           
IOS50 (rev 5120): Stub           
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub           
IOS52 (rev 5888): Stub           
IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches           
IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches           
IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches           
IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches           
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0           
IOS60 (rev 6400): Stub           
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches           
IOS62 (rev 6430): No Patches           
IOS70 (rev 6912): Stub           
IOS80 (rev 6944): No Patches           
IOS222 (rev 65280): Stub           
IOS223 (rev 65280): Stub           
IOS249[56] (rev 65535     Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug     NAND Access     USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535     Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug     NAND Access     USB 2.0
IOS251[58] (rev 65535     Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug     NAND Access     USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii           
BC v6           
MIOS v10           
Report generated on 05/31/2022.

USB Loader GX Info -

version: 3.0 r1272
release_date: 20210801175121
--ios=249
--usbport=0
--mountusb=1

Let me know of any other information I should provide

Thanks!
 
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Hello ,

your report is correct.

are you using the modified 1272 GX version of @blackb0x ===> ...
Just checked the checksum of the one I am running and it looks like I am.
One I am running:
1654017099535.png


Downloaded blackb0x version:
1654017055687.png
 

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Its weird to look a wii without hermes cIOS installed, you must patch IOS236, this is the mine
Code:
IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): Sin Parches
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11 (rev 256): Stub
IOS12 (rev 526): Sin Parches
IOS13 (rev 1032): Sin Parches
IOS14 (rev 1032): Sin Parches
IOS15 (rev 1032): Sin Parches
IOS16 (rev 512): Stub
IOS17 (rev 1032): Sin Parches
IOS20 (rev 256): Stub
IOS21 (rev 1039): Sin Parches
IOS22 (rev 1294): Sin Parches
IOS28 (rev 1807): Sin Parches
IOS30 (rev 2816): Stub
IOS31 (rev 3608): Sin Parches
IOS33 (rev 3608): Sin Parches
IOS34 (rev 3608): Sin Parches
IOS35 (rev 3608): Sin Parches
IOS36 (rev 3608): Sin Parches
IOS37 (rev 5663): Sin Parches
IOS38 (rev 4124): Sin Parches
IOS40 (rev 3072): Stub
IOS41 (rev 3607): Sin Parches
IOS43 (rev 3607): Sin Parches
IOS45 (rev 3607): Sin Parches
IOS46 (rev 3607): Sin Parches
IOS48 (rev 4124): Sin Parches
IOS50 (rev 5120): Stub
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
IOS52 (rev 5888): Stub
IOS53 (rev 5663): Sin Parches
IOS55 (rev 5663): Sin Parches
IOS56 (rev 5662): Sin Parches
IOS57 (rev 5919): Sin Parches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400): Stub
IOS61 (rev 5662): Sin Parches
IOS62 (rev 6430): Sin Parches
IOS70 (rev 6912): Stub
IOS80 (rev 6944): Sin Parches
IOS222[38] (rev 65535 Info: hermes-v4): Trucha Bug ES Identify Acceso NAND USB 2.0
IOS223[38+37] (rev 65535 Info: hermes-v4): Trucha Bug ES Identify Acceso NAND USB 2.0
IOS224[57] (rev 65535 Info: hermesrodries-v6): Trucha Bug Acceso NAND USB 2.0
IOS236[36] (rev 65535 Info: rev 3351): Trucha Bug ES Identify Acceso NAND
IOS248[58] (rev 21010 Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug Acceso NAND USB 2.0
IOS249[56] (rev 21010 Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug Acceso NAND USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 21010 Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug Acceso NAND USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
 

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Its weird to look a wii without hermes cIOS installed, you must patch IOS236, this is the mine
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Would that be the cause of the bug even though I am not using those CIOS with USB Loader GX?
As far as I know hermes CIOS isn't needed unless your playing specific games that don't support d2x v10. Since I am not having issues playing games I don't know if the CIOS matters.
Does the CIOS in IOS222/3/4 affect the CIOS in IOS249?
 

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Game Drive: NGFF(M.2) USB 3.0 SSD enclosure with a M.2 1TB Crucial SATA SSD formatted to FAT32.
Does your enclosure have a light that shows read/write activity and if it does then does it still blink when the menus become unresponsive?

As a test you could try installing your cIOS as follows.

Slot 249, base 56, d2x v10 beta 53
Slot 250, base 57, d2x v10 beta 52
Slot 251, base 38, d2x v10 beta 52

Then set the loader to use cIOS 249, restart the loader and see if it still becomes unresponsive.

If does still become unresponsive then the cIOS might be experiencing a compatibility issue, since you're not using the recommended hardware.
 

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Does your enclosure have a light that shows read/write activity and if it does then does it still blink when the menus become unresponsive?
I will see if the light is showing activity during the freeze.

As a test you could try installing your cIOS as follows.

Slot 249, base 56, d2x v10 beta 53
Slot 250, base 57, d2x v10 beta 52
Slot 251, base 38, d2x v10 beta 52
Ok, hopefully this will give us more information.

Is there any debug or logging I can enable to maybe see what's going on inflight?

If does still become unresponsive then the cIOS might be experiencing a compatibility issue, since you're not using the recommended hardware.
I have been using a toshiba 2TB USB HDD (toshiba dtb420) up until recently and was experiencing the same issue. I actually switched to the USB SSD in hopes the faster response would fix it. I can go back to using the USB HDD if that will help narrow down variables needed to diagnose the issue.
 

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Would that be the cause of the bug even though I am not using those CIOS with USB Loader GX?
As far as I know hermes CIOS isn't needed unless your playing specific games that don't support d2x v10. Since I am not having issues playing games I don't know if the CIOS matters.
Does the CIOS in IOS222/3/4 affect the CIOS in IOS249?
You could have usb issues without 236, only wii u uses only dx2 cIOS, you must not try to figure out what base is for every game, even if you use IOS 249 wii uses more IOS to load things not just one, remember IOS58 loads the usb even if you got to use the 249, wiiflow got automatic cIOS selection, that helps because some games are a pain because of anti piracy like driver san francisco, only hermes cIOS could load usb 1 port for me, dx2 v10 never loaded in both versions
 

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Is there any debug or logging I can enable to maybe see what's going on inflight?
Unfortunately that isn't possible.

You could have usb issues without 236, only wii u uses only dx2 cIOS
Many years ago you needed to patch IOS236 to grant NAND access, but these days having IOS58 and the d2x cIOS is all you need. That's why all guides no longer mention patching IOS236.
 
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Unfortunately that isn't possible.


Many years ago you needed to patch IOS236 to grant NAND access, but these days having IOS58 and the d2x cIOS is all you need. That's why all guides no longer mention patching IOS236.
and I can play every game and you are having issues :)
 

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and I can play every game and you are having issues :)
To reiterate this is not an issue with playing games this is an issue with USB Loader GX UI freezing every now and then.

I am currently recording all my sessions using USB Loader GX so hopefully as I am testing and playing I might be able to identify a pattern that will allow me to reproduce the issue.
 

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I am currently recording all my sessions using USB Loader GX so hopefully as I am testing and playing I might be able to identify a pattern that will allow me to reproduce the issue.
I think the issue occurs because the drive goes to sleep and fails to wake. That's why I suggested trying d2x v10 beta53, since that's compatible with more devices, but it breaks a lot of things too.
 
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Does your enclosure have a light that shows read/write activity and if it does then does it still blink when the menus become unresponsive?
Ok, so I got it to freeze again and the light flashes showing disk activity when a scroll back and forth on the games list but doesn't light up when I click.

It seems the freeze is related to scrolling back and forth because I was able to trigger the freeze by scrolling back and forth on games list and I was able to reliably cause it to freeze. It seems if I am in the menu not doing anything then start scrolling back and forth it will freeze, drive light is still active when I scroll back and forth. It seemed random because when I am deciding what to play I scroll back and forth a lot. That is probably why it happens most often when I am playing with friends, more scrolling to decide what to play.

I also got the same behavior on the Toshiba HDD which the SSD is a clone of.

I have video of reproducing the freeze if you want me to share it.

I will try beta53 and see if that fixes it. Should I also try d2x-v10-b52-ST-FM050?
 

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As a test you could try installing your cIOS as follows.

Slot 249, base 56, d2x v10 beta 53
Slot 250, base 57, d2x v10 beta 52
Slot 251, base 38, d2x v10 beta 52

Then set the loader to use cIOS 249, restart the loader and see if it still becomes unresponsive.
Ok, so I have beta 53 installed (was a bit of a journey since wii update server is down), will see if it freezes on me. I realized that I never really tried slot 250 as the loader IOS to see if the freeze occurs with base 57 beta 52. Would the base make a significant difference? Also if I still want to use base 56 beta52 for the games loader could I load Slot 251 with it and point the games loader setting to it?

Could using loader IOS 58 be the reason for the freezes? That is what it was on and that seems like it could be the reason.
 
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Good Morning.😊
Hi All,

I have been experiencing an issue where my after loading USB Loader GX and browsing my games for awhile the menu will become unresponsive.

How many Games do you have on your SSD please ?
EDIT: Ok,after watching the video,I have seen it - 410 Games.😉

From personal Experience some "HDD (SSD) / many Games Constellations" maybe can have such Issue.
There is not really a "maximum" of Games Limit.
As @blackb0x also already mentioned,it can be some "Sleep/wake" Issue maybe.

For the SSD - maybe it can possibly a "Cache" Issue like in Windows 10/11 if the Option "Write Cache" is enabled....maybe.

Do you maybe have the Cover / Artwork etc. on the HDD too ?
Maybe try it on the SD Card please .


Thank you.😉
 
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Could using loader IOS 58 be the reason for the freezes? That is what it was on and that seems like it could be the reason.
Did you previously use r1272 from SourceForge or did you manually configure the loader to use IOS58? Because my version of the loader reads your config file with IOS58, but then it reloads you to whatever you've set the loader IOS to, which should be cIOS 249 by default.

I only suggested using d2x v10 beta 53 in slot 249 because I assumed that you'd already tried using d2x v10 beta 52. In general your cIOS setup was wrong though, since you configured slot 251 to use base IOS58. But once I release the next loader update the recommended setup will be as follows.

Slot 249, base 56, d2x v10 beta 52
Slot 250, base 57, d2x v10 beta 52
Slot 251, base 38, d2x v10 beta 52

I have beta 53 installed (was a bit of a journey since wii update server is down)
The updated d2x installer makes it easy.
 
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Did you previously use r1272 from SourceForge or did you manually configure the loader to use IOS58? Because my version of the loader reads your config file with IOS58, but then it reloads you to whatever you've set the loader IOS to, which should be cIOS 249 by default.

I only suggested using d2x v10 beta 53 in slot 249 because I assumed that you'd already tried using d2x v10 beta 52. In general your cIOS setup was wrong though, since you configured slot 251 to use base IOS58. But once I release the next loader update the recommended setup will be as follows.

Slot 249, base 56, d2x v10 beta 52
Slot 250, base 57, d2x v10 beta 52
Slot 251, base 38, d2x v10 beta 52


The updated d2x installer makes it easy.

I verified on beta53 the issue no longer occurs, going to install beta52 and fix my CIOS installs.
Let's hope beta52 works!

Thanks for the help so far!
 
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