Hacking USB Loader - Adding a new game screws up another one

[dope_X]

well, im sure that problem comes only up with deleting and installing new games..
but if we only install games, sure they will work, but if you ever have to delete one, that will mess up.

 

[yarx]

I'm working at a defrag method for my WBFS GUI at the moment. But it will be slow: My idea is to extract all games, that would be overwritten by installing a new game, and reinstall them. This should close the gaps between the games. What do you think?

 

[dope_X]

if you extract a corrupted game, you cant install the extracted iso..
and... the games get corrupted coz a little part of them get overwritten by a new one, so if you install again that game it will overwrite a part of the otherone..
hope you understand what i mean, my english isnt very good at this time... (still sleeping) ^^

 

[duveldg]

That what I said one page back.

 

[joda]

I'm working at a defrag method for my WBFS GUI at the moment. But it will be slow: My idea is to extract all games, that would be overwritten by installing a new game, and reinstall them. This should close the gaps between the games. What do you think?

This will most certainly work. However, I would recommend you making a delete tool instead, which extracts all isos, except those to be deleted, reformats the drive, and then reinstalls all the others.

This since I wouldn't trust the delete function at all as it is now. Could as well be that one, and not the install function, that fucks upp the other games on the disc.

I myself have scripted the same functionality and extracted all isos yesterday for future reference, should my drive b0rk again.

 

[Cypherdias]

I'll wait until an official patch comes for this. Both "solutions" mentioned here (reinstall all affected games, reinstall all games but the deleted one) are unbearable for me 'cause I don't want to wait several hours when deleting or adding a single game.

 

[delta123]

i have found that if i want to add games after deleting them i have to delete all the ones that i have added in after them and install new games after that. so i make sure that i add in my japanese games in last to save me time from extracting and deleting all the games.

nIxx`s tool is great to do that.

 

[joda]

I'll wait until an official patch comes for this. Both "solutions" mentioned here (reinstall all affected games, reinstall all games but the deleted one) are unbearable for me 'cause I don't want to wait several hours when deleting or adding a single game.

How often do you remove games mate? Just script it and turn it on whilst sleeping ...

 

[dope_X]

a skript for adding more than just one game?
can i have it? sry but i dunno how to skript something like that... ^^

 

[KNoffel]

a skript for adding more than just one game?
can i have it? sry but i dunno how to skript something like that... ^^

http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=146435 here it is

Still working on it. (Future version will use the cygwin build of wbfs, so no Driveletter has to be selected. (More compatibility with more than one partition)

And I'll add the "save delete" function mentioned in this topic. (Extracting all games, initialize HDD, copy all games again).

 

[Overload180]

Hey guys

I have not had this issue at all. im running a Seagate FreeAgent/Desk Silver 500gb HDD (Walmart $80). The loader im using is USB_Loader_v1.1-ISO3.wad. When i 1st hooked the hdd to the wii the USB Loader formatted it . I also have a Flatmii installed.

I have loaded 40+ games on the hdd via Flatmii and about 10 games via Original Disc. During these times a couple PAL games didnt Display correctly on my screen and 2 games (Mortal Kombat and THe Bigs) didnt work from the HDD, and were deleted.

After reading all you guys posting about installed games not working after deleting some games i said OH NO!!!!! and went into testing mode.

After booting and starting the 43 games i currently have installed this way they are all still working.

I have never used any WBFS windows apps to format or load games to the USB HDD.

 

[Cypherdias]

I think it's not the deletion of some games which leads to these problems, but installing games after some others have been deleted. It doesn't happen always anyway, so if you don't have a problem until now, you're a lucky one.

 

[dope_X]

aww..
i'll need much free space for that "save-delete"-function, huh?

 

[duveldg]

The problem will always be there, no exceptions at all. When deleting 2 gb and adding 1.8 gb there wil be no problem. BUt when deleting 2gb and adding 2.1 gb the problem will occur.

At the end everybody will suffer from it, just don't delete for the time being. I don't think this could be fixed because its the file system that does this.

 

[delta123]

Hey guys

I have not had this issue at all. im running a Seagate FreeAgent/Desk Silver 500gb HDD (Walmart $80). The loader im using is USB_Loader_v1.1-ISO3.wad. When i 1st hooked the hdd to the wii the USB Loader formatted it . I also have a Flatmii installed.

I have loaded 40+ games on the hdd via Flatmii and about 10 games via Original Disc. During these times a couple PAL games didnt Display correctly on my screen and 2 games (Mortal Kombat and THe Bigs) didnt work from the HDD, and were deleted.

After reading all you guys posting about installed games not working after deleting some games i said OH NO!!!!! and went into testing mode.

After booting and starting the 43 games i currently have installed this way they are all still working.

I have never used any WBFS windows apps to format or load games to the USB HDD.

if you just deleted and havent installed anything since deleting those games then there will be no problems. if you deleted those games and then reinstalled them to make sure they are the correct size, it might not be a problem. i think the real problem lies in if you deleted those games after installing a couple of others and then installed more games after that. then there might be a small problem. esp if the files sizes are different.

 

[Cypherdias]

The problem will always be there, no exceptions at all. When deleting 2 gb and adding 1.8 gb there wil be no problem. BUt when deleting 2gb and adding 2.1 gb the problem will occur.

At the end everybody will suffer from it, just don't delete for the time being. I don't think this could be fixed because its the file system that does this.

It's possible to leave the space of the deleted game empty until a game get's installed which fits into it. Loosing some space with this method when deleting games often, but that's still better than corrupting other games.

Not sure if the exact size is known before installing a game, but if it's only the garbage part which gets cut out, then it should be possible.

 

[Overload180]

if you just deleted and havent installed anything since deleting those games then there will be no problems. if you deleted those games and then reinstalled them to make sure they are the correct size, it might not be a problem. i think the real problem lies in if you deleted those games after installing a couple of others and then installed more games after that. then there might be a small problem. esp if the files sizes are different.

Well accually when i installed all these games i didnt install them all at once. i would say i installed 5 games then tested each of the 5 games on the loader and when i seen that one of the games didnt work i would delete it and install 5 or so more and test those aswell. so for every 5 or 10 games ive installed and tested i would have to delete 1.

This would of left the wholes in the partition that would cause the error i just havent seen it yet.

Question: If you delete a 2gb game then after install a 1.8gb game it would leave a 200mb block of empty space . so if thats the case you say it would work fine. but as far as the 200mb space if you install another game that is larger than the 200mb space wont it just look to the end of the data partition for the next availible free space?

for instance the loader knows that the game being installed is 2.gb and its ripping the game data to a single iso file. the loader sees that you have for say 100gb freespace wont it just put it on the hdd where the free space value is greater than the amount of space that the iso requires?

Add in this thinking im quessing that the errors wouldnt occurr till i was at the end of my drives capacity.

Meaning this: If i started out with 500gb and installed and deleted games all the way to the end. i would have free space trapped between many of the iso's that were installed. even tho my loader says that i have 10gb free space on the drive its really 500mb here, 1gb there, and 200mb over there. and only when i start trying to install another game that this ugly error would show its face.

Im Hoping this is the case so in my plans im going to not install past 50gb of free space left over.

Might take me another 2 weeks to fill this drive that much but i will let you guys know how its going.

 

[rubejb]

So let me see if I understand what you're all saying might cause this...

Lets say you have a 9gb flashdrive. You're starting clean and adding a 3gb game, a 1gb game and then another 3gb game. So you have 7gb's taken up, and 2gb free at the "end" of the drive.

You then remove the 1gb game, which leaves a gap on the drive in the middle between the two 3gb games.

You then add another 3gb game, which instead of going to the free areas of the drive, it is put where the 1gb game was and overlaps one of the games that was already on the drive.


Do I have even a slight idea what the issue is?

I will also mention that I'm using a 16gb Sandisk Cruiser and I'm experiencing this delete/add problem.

 

[Screemer]

my guess is that it a filesystem issue. seems to me that the filesystem it self doesn't handles space that got available after deletion of a game correctly. it simply overwrites all free space and continues with writing data even if a point is reached where data is stored and doesn't jump to the next free cluster. this will result in a corrupted image of the game which was installed right after the deleted game and this will cause a code dump.

there is nothing we can do about it right now. the creators of the filesystem have to work on it to get it working in proper way.

 

[dun4cheap]

Just use a BFD and don't delete, just install. There are already a couple of tools that will add multiple games back to back. Not only does deleting a game and then adding games corrupt the drive, I have seen some games just disappear.

In any event, the second go around I have only installed and all is well. Hopefully a defrag tool or function will be added to cure the problem. Until then, just add.