Hacking Sony's ban behaviour

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Thanks! I'm pretty new to all this and I just flashed my PS3 Phat to Rebug 4.86.1, added multiman and webman mod today. Did not play any games, or anything of the sort.

Immediately after the modification I got the 80010519 error (as the console was configured to login to PSN automatically). See attached image.

I think I want to prohibit my console from accessing PSN. What's the best way to do that? I've seen this option in te wMAN MOD interface:

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As I understand it, this is where the magic should be when it comes to preventing a ban of not?

Which one should I pick or should I take other precautions? I'll consider buying a PS3 slim as a secondary console for my PSN games.
Simply don't go online with the PS3? If you desperatly need internet/homenetwork access use a custom dns to block all psn sites. I can't recommend any but if you're paranoid you can do it yourself.
e.g. Some router are able to run a 2nd bind instance or you install bind on a rpi/pc.
 
CFW/ODDE/OFW:Yes
Online multiplayer:No
Connected to PSN:Yes
Homebrew whilst on PSN:No
Cheating whilst on PSN:No
Loading backups via Multiman/Webman on a separate profile:No
Loading backups via Multiman/Webman on your main PSN profile:Yes
If applicable, reason of ban:I never went online but one day was stupid and went online because I wanted to see the PSN store.I had never seen it.This was back when the PSjailbreak was the only way to hack the ps3.Went online and got an email saying I had unathorized software running on my ps3.Got console and account banned.
Console ban:Yes
Account ban:Yes
Date of acquiring CFW and date of acquiring ban:2011 to 2012 cant remember exact date
Hours a day of connected to PSN:2 hours
Hours a day of playing multiplayer games:None
 
Hi my name is Logan and I have just had 2 of my PS3's banned on June 20th for apparently hacking/exploiting, something I dont think I did...

possibly my 3rd PS3 may be banned as well, despite not modding them or anything...

hell, the last time I used it was 1 month ago to watch netflix and play Mutant Blobs Attack!... now I can't access the PSN... and my copy of Marvel v Capcom 2 and Scott Pilgrim.

Yes I know if I hack my PS3 I can get ANY game I want BUT I believe myself to be honourable and use what i have attained legally.
 
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Hi my name is Logan and I have just had 2 of my PS3's banned on June 20th for apparently hacking/exploiting, something I dont think I did...

possibly my 3rd PS3 may be banned as well, despite not modding them or anything...

hell, the last time I used it was 1 month ago to watch netflix and play Mutant Blobs Attack!... now I can't access the PSN... and my copy of Marvel v Capcom 2 and Scott Pilgrim.

Yes I know if I hack my PS3 I can get ANY game I want BUT I believe myself to be honourable and use what i have attained legally.

Feeling bad for you. But yes, sony bans all consoles when logged in with an account which violates their TOS. Happend to me too, when all what I did was syncing trophys with CFW for 2 years. My OFW console was instantly banned too.
There is nothing you can do Sony won't unban you and you won't get your money back + your access to bought games/movies is also lost.
 
Feeling bad for you. But yes, sony bans all consoles when logged in with an account which violates their TOS. Happend to me too, when all what I did was syncing trophys with CFW for 2 years. My OFW console was instantly banned too.
There is nothing you can do Sony won't unban you and you won't get your money back + your access to bought games/movies is also lost.

Thanks for your kind ear friend.

I can't even think of anything I could have done that would cause them to ban me, unless my account got hacked and someone used it to send inappropriate messages or something.

I did do some research though and found out the only thing I really lost in this ordeal was access to my digital-only content...

I can still access Netflix and play disc games so... yeah... and the 3-4 games I played online apparently shutdown THEIR servers a long time ago... except Helldivers... I'm gonna miss diving in to that game... (Yes! Nailed that pun/segway!)
 
harsh even adding you main account to a hacked PS3 is not a good idea..... wish sony would stop giving 2 fucks about the PS3 they gave up on the vita...
 
harsh even adding you main account to a hacked PS3 is not a good idea..... wish sony would stop giving 2 fucks about the PS3 they gave up on the vita...

Neither of my PS3s are hacked though... so it's weird they banned both of them.

I got through to chat support to see what the issue is and all they said had hacked/exploited something...

I'll try and phone them when the support phone line is back up and try to talk to a manager/supervisor and hopefully get my PS3'S running.
 
Bans happen for a reason and saying you didn't do anything thickens the smoke. The only thing that would make sense is if someone logged into your account and went havoc. Ive been telling ppl on here years ago not to trust psn spoofers and now they get banned all b/c they thought they were safe using it for 1 or 2 years.
 
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I bought an ps3 slim 2504 or something that was modded. I log my account, with ps games, ps plus, and download gow. Play it maybe 1 day, then console shutdown over and over.
Reset ps3, install latest fw original, and play gow.
No ban for me...this was on summer 2019.
Now i have an brand new cech-4304c, same account.
 
CFW/ODDE/OFW: 4.87.2 Evilnat's Cobra CFW
Online multiplayer: No
Connected to PSN: Yes (an aside I wish I read more first so I knew to disable auto online, or that cfw would block auto online upon install)
Homebrew whilst on PSN: Yes, multiman just to boot and tweak settings
Cheating whilst on PSN: nope
Loading backups via Multiman/Webman on a separate profile: nope
Loading backups via Multiman/Webman on your main PSN profile: nope, but did boot multiman on my main profile
If applicable, reason of ban: N/A
Console ban: N/A
Account ban: N/A
Date of acquiring CFW and date of acquiring ban: 31st of march cfw
Hours a day of connected to PSN: maybe 10 minutes after cfw install, never went on store or synced trophies
Hours a day of playing multiplayer games: 0

Making this post to help others know how little you need to do to get banned (when it happens), will update when probably banned or not if its its a month or so, though shocked I was not auto banned. Paniced and basically nuked internet access on my vita and ps3, and restored ps3 to ofw for now. Note to anyone who wants to cfw their ps3, even if its only to avoid the future cosmos battery shit, disable auto login at the very least before doing so.

Edit: as of a month I have not been banned but still wont be taking any risks for a while.
 
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Just use for hmb, custom dlc, pkg stuff and etc. profile not wired with psn.
For online only .iso, or bd emu without cheats and unpaid dlc. Mount game, then switch to profile with psn, connect, play. After if you want swap game just power off console and mount next game on another peofile
 
CFW/ODDE/OFW: CFW Cobra Rebug i think
Online multiplayer: No
Connected to PSN: Yes
Homebrew whilst on PSN: Yes
Cheating whilst on PSN: No
Loading backups via Multiman/Webman on a separate profile: YES
Loading backups via Multiman/Webman on your main PSN profile: NO
If applicable, reason of ban: Told me on support that a email would tell me, still waiting for email but if i had to guess due to me running multiman with my main account activated on CFW machine. I just checked and still no email. Everytime i contact them they disconnect after telling me ill get an email.
Console ban: YES (All connected to main account) PS3 PS4 PSP PSVita all Banned
Account ban: Main YES
Date of acquiring CFW and date of acquiring ban: 2017 for both
Hours a day of connected to PSN: Before hacked 2009 to 2017 after hack on and off
Hours a day of playing multiplayer games: before hack on and off 2009 to 2017

had no personal internet where i lived so went to a buddies house. in 2017 ps3 became hackable since i had a ps4 and wanted to back up my physical discs. as soon as i got on the following day i was banned. only did backups of discs on sub account. Found out later that day that all other PlayStation systems i owned were banned as well. made no sense till i read that reddit ama the other day and realized they thought i was prolly a hacker when i just like playin homebrew games or emulators of older systems in better quality and dont know coding at all..... So makes sense now. Played siege all night while copyin PS3 discs and went to bed, woke up to banned account and systems. all systems the account was primary on. so luckily my ex gf ps4 was fine since my account was not primary.
Main account got banned due to it being primary account holder activated on the system PS3 Phat as PS4 was not hackable as i was playing online siege.
Got new account and gave up on sony given this behavior and news we just got.
 
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I sold a bunch of modded gta v accounts around 2015 and I advertised on the ps4 community chat rooms.After a month or 2 of selling modded accounts the account I advertised with got banned due to a bunch of people reporting it from those community rooms.
Only a matter of time lol.
 
I never had problems using hen, you can check my profile in psnprofiles, as I'm one of the mods I can help people to get in the leaderboards if they help me with voluntary donations.
 
CFW/ODDE/OFW: 4.87.2 Evilnat's Cobra CFW
Online multiplayer: No
Connected to PSN: Yes (an aside I wish I read more first so I knew to disable auto online, or that cfw would block auto online upon install)
Homebrew whilst on PSN: Yes, multiman just to boot and tweak settings
Cheating whilst on PSN: nope
Loading backups via Multiman/Webman on a separate profile: nope
Loading backups via Multiman/Webman on your main PSN profile: nope, but did boot multiman on my main profile
If applicable, reason of ban: N/A
Console ban: N/A
Account ban: N/A
Date of acquiring CFW and date of acquiring ban: 31st of march cfw
Hours a day of connected to PSN: maybe 10 minutes after cfw install, never went on store or synced trophies
Hours a day of playing multiplayer games: 0

Making this post to help others know how little you need to do to get banned (when it happens), will update when probably banned or not if its its a month or so, though shocked I was not auto banned. Paniced and basically nuked internet access on my vita and ps3, and restored ps3 to ofw for now. Note to anyone who wants to cfw their ps3, even if its only to avoid the future cosmos battery shit, disable auto login at the very least before doing so.

Edit: as of a month I have not been banned but still wont be taking any risks for a while.
I Just wipe my driveclean and add no psn accounts what i don't get is why ban every console connected that's just asking for piracy by sony
 
In case someone's reading this pinned topic, here's what's currently known / assumed:

Consequences of bans:

If you get caught and banned both the hardware and the account are banned.
Hardware ban means that console won't ever be able to log in to PSN again, with any account.
Account ban means the account is completely closed. You will not be able to log in to that account from any device, and yes, that does include PS4 and PS5, and if you had any store purchases, they're gone for good. For this reason it is extremely recommended to use a throwaway account when using PSN on a modded PS3.

How to bypass the ban:
The hardware ban can be bypassed by spoofing the console's IDPS (that's the unique ID that the console sends to identify itself), however it's not as simple as it sounds.
You can't just send any number and expect it to work. It has to be taken from a real, unbanned console. The only real way to obtain those is to dump them from dead units.
WARNING - There are people who sell IDPS numbers online. The problem is not all can be trusted, an unfortunately there isn't a way to know that in advance. The risk is that the seller might sell the same IDPS number to multiple people, which means that at some point it's very likely that two consoles will attempt to go online with the same IDPS at the same time, which would result in a ban of both, along with the associated accounts.
There's no way of bypassing account bans. The only way is to avoid serious consequences in the first place by using throwaway accounts.

How to avoid getting banned:
Unfortunately the only 100% sure way to avoid a ban is not to mod your console in the first place. Since a 2nd hand PS3 costs less than $100 these days, some people get a second PS3 and keep it unmodded just for PSN.

How to minimize the risk of getting banned:
The good news is we now know enough about the ban behavior to make it 99% safe (it'll never be 100% safe though).
The first thing you need to do is disable CFW / HEN syscalls before going online. CFW and HEN create custom system calls that allow homebrew to do things that the PS3 normally doesn't permit. Certain games can detect those syscalls and report them, leading to bans. Recent CFWs will allow you to temporarily disable those syscalls so you can go online without them being detected. This is baked into Evilnat CFW (accessible through the CFW tools menu), or if you have webMAN MOD installed (highly recommended), just press R2+Triangle. By default new CFWs will block access to PSN if syscalls are not disabled, in order to prevent accidents.
Note that disabling syscalls will break many homebrew apps (it's not a good idea to use homebrew while logged in to PSN anyway). To restore the syscalls, restart your console.
Another note: You may hear people talk about PSNPatch and SEN Enabler. These are old and outdated utilities. Everything now is baked into the firmware.

Things to avoid:
There are multiple things that increase your ban risk and you should not do:
  • Cheat / use game mods - The overwhelming majority of people who get banned get banned for cheating. This should not come as a surprise to anyone. IMHO people who cheat online are asses and deserve a ban. Don't be an ass. Please note that sometimes a modded game is enough for a ban, even if you don't actively cheat, so avoid using any modded games.
  • Sync hacked trophies - Another common cause of bans. If you use a trophy unlocker app to give yourself trophies and then try to sync them, a ban is very likely. Sony has heuristic methods on the server side that detect hacked trophies and ban the offending accounts. Giving yourself trophies you haven't truly earned is also a form of cheating. Unfortunately since it runs on Sony's server we have no way of knowing exactly what the algorithm is. We do know that one of the methods used is to check the trophy time stamp and see if you got a huge number of trophies in a short period of time. We do know however that it's not the only detection method, and we don't know them all.
  • Spoofing your firmware version - PSN generally won't allow you to connect without being on the latest firmware. Some people who don't want to upgrade decide to spoof their firmware version, i.e., make the console report it's on the latest version when it actually isn't. The problem is that sometimes Sony changes things in the PSN protocol, and if a console says it's on the latest version but attempts to use an outdated version of the protocol then the spoof can be detected. Fortunately spoofing is not required as of the time of posting this - The latest firmware is 4.91, and there's already CFW based on it (Evilnat 4.91) and HEN supports it too.
  • Unreleased / beta games - If you play those and then sync trophies you might get banned. The reason is that the list of trophies can (and usually does) change during a game's development cycle. The earlier the build, the more likely that the list of trophies are not the same as the final release, which means you'd be synching trophies that might not exist in retail PSN, leading to a ban, as you're not supposed to be able to play unreleased / beta games on a retail system.
  • Pirated digital games - Unlike disc games, which can be purchased in retail store and/or second hand, digital games can only be downloaded from Sony's store, and that means Sony has a list of all digital games you have (or should have). Attempting to sync saved games or trophies from a game that's not on your purchase list is a dead giveaway that it's pirated. I know there are people who played pirated digital games and haven't been banned but note that this can be detected retroactively. Also note that if the same game has both a physical and digital release, they have different title IDs, which means that from PSN's perspective they're two different games.
  • Playing one or more of the following games: CoD BO2 / BO3 / Ghosts / AW / Any later CoD game, Destiny, GTA V - These games are notorious for actually scanning your console, looking for homebrew related files and reporting on you, leading to a ban as soon as you hit the multiplayer button. Even if you revert to OFW, they may still find some leftover files and you might get banned anyway. If you've ever been on CFW or HEN and just have to play these games online you will need to both revert to OFW and reformat the HDD. Some (but not all) have modded EBOOT files (known as Anti-Ban EBOOTs) that remove those checks but you still risk your console and account if it so happens that the modder has not done a perfect job. Note that playing the single player mode is safe as long as PSN is not connected while using those games.

Things that won't get you banned:
Connecting to the Internet by itself will not get you banned. It is only possible to get banned if you log in to PSN. Doing things that require an Internet connection but don't require PSN (e.g., downloading game updates, synching date and time) will never result in a ban.
 

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