RON PAUL FTW!!!

[j5c077]

Vote hillary.

/slap

 

[Taras]

I mean exactly what I said. Have you never heard of gun control?

Yes, that's something they have in California and New York.

The government decides what weapons it's people, and which people, can own and how they can own them.
No, generally they run background checks to make sure someone doesn't have a criminal/mentally ill history. With good reason. Some states have additional rules governing the ability to carry concealed. That is not about simply owning one. Stop spreading disinformation.

It varies by state so I'm not going into specifics. But if you want to educate yourself feel free:
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

Oh dear Lord. Do you mean to imply that regulation is the same as permission? That's like saying having broadcasting regulations is allowing the serfs to participate in free speech. Do you see the difference?


And though it appears that you enjoy the safety of tugging on the skirts of powers/systems/etc greater than your own, you would do well to remember that old truism: Just is the government that fears it's citizens. Unjust is the government that it's citizens fear.
QUOTE(GonzoCorleone @ Jan 8 2008, 05:20 AM)

This has nothing to with Ron Paul BTW..don't know why I got suckered into your trolling

I know it's uncomfortable for you, it should be.

 

[Mike Hawk]

Mike Gravel

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I mean exactly what I said. Have you never heard of gun control?

Yes, that's something they have in California and New York.

The government decides what weapons it's people, and which people, can own and how they can own them.
No, generally they run background checks to make sure someone doesn't have a criminal/mentally ill history. With good reason. Some states have additional rules governing the ability to carry concealed. That is not about simply owning one. Stop spreading disinformation.

It varies by state so I'm not going into specifics. But if you want to educate yourself feel free:
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

Oh dear Lord. Do you mean to imply that regulation is the same as permission? That's like saying having broadcasting regulations is allowing the serfs to participate in free speech. Do you see the difference?


And though it appears that you enjoy the safety of tugging on the skirts of powers/systems/etc greater than your own, you would do well to remember that old truism: Just is the government that fears it's citizens. Unjust is the government that it's citizens fear.
QUOTE(GonzoCorleone @ Jan 8 2008, 05:20 AM)This has nothing to with Ron Paul BTW..don't know why I got suckered into your trolling

I know it's uncomfortable for you, it should be.

Regulation is part of permission. That's why you get a gun permit. You would do well to read a dictionary.

And if you think this government in this day and age is afraid of it's people you are even more naive than I first suspected.
The patriot act allows them to hear every single thing that is going on. Fear comes from the unknown. There is not much they don't know about their people.

A more fit truism for this day and age in our country would be "The people get the government they deserve."

And I don't think you know what trolling is...

 

[Taras]

Regulation is part of permission. That's why you get a gun permit. You would do well to read a dictionary.

In most states you don't need a permit to own a gun. Again stop spreading disinformaiton

 

[hanman]

i'm a gun-toting, IRS-opposing, big-government-hating, privacy-loving conservative. i don't like everything Ron Paul says, but the more i think about it, the more i think he'd make a better president than any of the other candidates from either side.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Regulation is part of permission. That's why you get a gun permit. You would do well to read a dictionary.

In most states you don't need a permit to own a gun. Again stop spreading disinformaiton

It doesn't matter. The fact that you need one in ANY state means that the government is telling it's people how guns are to be bought and owned. I clearly said earlier that it varies by state. So, it's not disinformation it's just that you aren't comprehending it.

@hanman, well really what it comes down to in most elections is one nominee is a douche sandwhich and one is a turd sandwhich like that south park episode. You really just have to choose the lesser of two evils. You'll never get a perfect president.

 

[Taras]

It doesn't matter. The fact that you need one in ANY state means that the government is telling it's people how guns are to be bought and owned.

So because you can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, it is the big-daddy government that grants you free speech?

Wow. Just wow.

 

[mthrnite]

It's alright to have an opinion, but try not to be a dick about it, okay guys?
Take pains to not let this devolve into a shouting match.
I haven't seen the need to moderate anything here yet, let's continue that trend, shall we?

 

[Devante]

@Devante, those statements are well known from a news letter Ron Paul took part in. Not fabricated or out of context. Paul clearly says "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." When one assumes, one is not going on statistics. Therefore it is not a fact like you suggested. And 95% like you said is very high.

5% away from every single black male.

Also, I agree with the black pride thing being just as silly as the white pride thing, nowadays. But you need to think back to when black people were not allowed to drink from the same water fountains, sit in the same seats, vote, or even learn in the same classroom as white people. You can imagine this dealt quite a blow to their pride and they needed to send a message to each other that it was ok to be black in a time when it seemed like it wasn't. That's where that came from. White people didn't go through anything as big as that in America.

Actually, one can man an educated assumption based of factual evidence.

I'm not sure where he got 95%, it's more like 75%.
However, that still means 3 in every 4 black person commits a crime.

But simply stating that fact is racist, right?


Also, whites did what they are supposed to do half a century ago to correct the "mistake" of slavery.
We abolished segregation, gave everyone equal rights, and so on.

Yet here we are, 2008, and blacks still whine and bitch about how bad they have it.
It's not enough that we give them preferencial treatment when making hiring laws, or that we create laws with harsher punishment against blacks, or that we allow them to celebrate their "heritage" by giving them holidays and even whole months celebrating their race.

So even though they are the direct cause of many of America's problems, we should overlook it because of something our grandparents and their grandparents did? If so, for how long before we say "enough"?


Now here's an extreme idea for you and everyone.

It's said that they (blacks) had to deal with prejudice and now they should be able to pretty much do what they want because they deserve it.

However, have you every thought that, in some ways, slavery was the best thing ever to happen to blacks?
Without slavery, they would have never come to America, become Americanized, and be who they are today.
They would still be in Africa right now. And that country is doing so well, right?

I know the idea that we did them a favor with slavery isn't going to make anyone happy, but you know what? Where would they be if slavery never happened?

When Lincoln finally abolished slavery, he didn't want to keep them here.
He wanted to send them back to Africa because he knew - from history - exactly what would happen.
And it did happen.

Just something to think about.

 

[hanman]

uh oh. i think i smell a shit-storm coming... *runs and hides*

 

[Bob Loblaw]

@Devante, those statements are well known from a news letter Ron Paul took part in. Not fabricated or out of context. Paul clearly says "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." When one assumes, one is not going on statistics. Therefore it is not a fact like you suggested. And 95% like you said is very high.

5% away from every single black male.

Also, I agree with the black pride thing being just as silly as the white pride thing, nowadays. But you need to think back to when black people were not allowed to drink from the same water fountains, sit in the same seats, vote, or even learn in the same classroom as white people. You can imagine this dealt quite a blow to their pride and they needed to send a message to each other that it was ok to be black in a time when it seemed like it wasn't. That's where that came from. White people didn't go through anything as big as that in America.



Actually, one can man an educated assumption based of factual evidence.

I'm not sure where he got 95%, it's more like 75%.
However, that still means 3 in every 4 black person commits a crime.

But simply stating that fact is racist, right?


Also, whites did what they are supposed to do half a century ago to correct the "mistake" of slavery.
We abolished segregation, gave everyone equal rights, and so on.

Yet here we are, 2008, and blacks still whine and bitch about how bad they have it.
It's not enough that we give them preferencial treatment when making hiring laws, or that we create laws with harsher punishment against blacks, or that we allow them to celebrate their "heritage" by giving them holidays and even whole months celebrating their race.

So even though they are the direct cause of many of America's problems, we should overlook it because of something our grandparents and their grandparents did? If so, for how long before we say "enough"?


Now here's an extreme idea for you and everyone.

It's said that they (blacks) had to deal with prejudice and now they should be able to pretty much do what they want because they deserve it.

However, have you every thought that, in some ways, slavery was the best thing ever to happen to blacks?
Without slavery, they would have never come to America, become Americanized, and be who they are today.
They would still be in Africa right now. And that country is doing so well, right?

I know the idea that we did them a favor with slavery isn't going to make anyone happy, but you know what? Where would they be if slavery never happened?

When Lincoln finally abolished slavery, he didn't want to keep them here.
He wanted to send them back to Africa because he knew - from history - exactly what would happen.
And it did happen.

Just something to think about.

Hmmm..I'm not sure I should dignify that post with a response because it partly doesn't make sense and I don't think you understand how bad slavery/discrimination was...Imagine being kept as someones pet..being raped and beaten whenever they felt like it. You are basically telling them to get over it. It's like telling a jewish person to get over the holocaust. You say "allow them" to do things like we own them...I think I'm done with this conversation.

 

[mthrnite]

DeVante, we've been over this before, man. Same "assumptions" same generalizations, same "we vs. they", same everything. You make a point or two that logically should make people listen, and do their own research, then you beat it to death. Now everybody just sees a racist spouting paragraphs from a white-power pamphlet. You're not helping your cause, you're not opening minds, quite the opposite.

Stop with the baiting please, or the thread gets it between the eyes. Seriously.

 

[WeaponXxX]

Interesting to read your guys point of views...probably one the more interesting threads in a while...even debated with my g/f over some of the topics (this leading to a fight)...but hey...what are you gonna do...for one mans con is another persons pro. Anyway I just wanted to chime in here and say this:

By the way, GonzoCorleone, saying that 95% of blacks commit crimes isn't stereotyping if it's fact, is it?
(maybe 95% is too high but it's not far off)


Quite a few of you have quoted Ron Paul as saying 95% of ALL blacks when in reality he was saying this:

QUOTE“Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal,” Paul said.

Sometimes my English is bad but I do believe he is speaking only about the District of Columbia aka Washington DC in the quote everyone is using. To me thats a big misinterpretation of the quote so when the kids go to school and repeat what you all are saying...the message the kids see is "Ron Paul thinks 95% of all blacks in America are criminals"....when it is just D.C. ... again... just putting all the facts properly on the table so the debate goes in the right direction. I tried to pull up the census to see the prison statistics for DC but couldn't find it...I was personally just curious. Anyway I have my beliefs but I prefer to keep them to myself...I'd rather lurk and watch you guys debate. Again regarding the quote ... if I'm interpreting it wrong I apologize...if not then glad I could help to clear up the confusion

 

[Playset6199]

I think everyone in this thread would do well to remember that this is the testing area, this means that potentially every post is a troll.
also frosted butts

 

[zeppo]

You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. Lepers avoid you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are a bloody nardless newbie twit protohominid chromosomally aberrant caricature of a coprophagic cloacal parasitic pond scum and I wish you would go away. You swine. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. If you aren't an idiot, you made a world-class effort at simulating one. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake? You are the moral equivalent of a leech.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I'm sorry. I can't go on. Your writing has to be a troll. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid.

You are avaricious, belligerent, malignant, and crazy.

http://geekbiker.net/flame-o-matic.php

 

[Devante]

And what exactly do you know of the holocaust?

Only what your school history books and Schindler's List tells you, right?
Do you ever wonder WHY it's in your American history books, even though it's not part of American history?

It's a well known fact that the numbers of people killed in the holocaust has been "revised" so many times that they stopped putting it on the plaque at Auschwitz.

And no, I'm not saying "get over it" to today's blacks.
There's nothing for them to get over. They weren't the ones enslaved.

I'm saying they should be happy with what they have today, as we all should be. Wouldn't you agree?

This seems like it all has less and less to do with Ron Paul, but these are the ideas Ron Paul is trying to instill.

And if anything I said doesn't make sense to you, even if you don't agree, then this obviously isn't a conversation you should be having.

 

[mthrnite]

Yep, there we go.

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