RON PAUL FTW!!!

[Bob Loblaw]

I'm not political at all. In fact, in my opinion it doesn't matter who our president is. He's just a figurehead to keep us placated that we have and know who our leader is all the while the true rulers run things from the shadows.

However, I read those links that someone posted trying to discredit Ron Paul saying he's a racist. It's classic tactics like this that prove we're all brainwashed by media.

Some random guy creates a website and blogs about how racist one of the candidates is and you use it as ammo in an argument.

Ron Paul believes in what we should all believe in.
That it's OK to EVERYONE to be proud of who they are, not just certain groups of people.

He believes that people who work hard and have a right to be here should reap the rewards of their hard work. Not that we should work hard partially to support the ones that don't want to work.

He also believes that if we, as Americans, don't want certain parasites coming to our land and leeching off of us, we shouldn't be afraid to do something about it; that, in fact, it behooves us.

He is the only one out of ALL of them that seems to speak clearly on behalf the country he's proud of and not on behalf of certain groups of interest (ie. contributors, health care companies, media, racial groups).

If you make a racist news letter then you are a racist. It's not just some bloggers theory. It's well known that Ron Paul has been racist for years. But to be honest that is one of the least of his faults.

 

[Devante]

The funny thing is that TV, movies, music, and even our own schools have distorted our view of what racism really is.

They all pound the thought that the idea of being proud of being white and being American is bad, yet being proud of being any other race is a cause for celebration, and even acceptable arguement to cause crimes and riots in some cases.

So when someone prints a newsletter trying to tell everyone in a very educated way that he believes we should do something about the very high percentage that blacks contribute to our crime rate, about the mass of people living off of our taxes through welfare and other government sanctioned hand-outs, and that we shouldn't "tip-toe" around illegal immigrants and those that enable them, he's suddenly a racist?

Are you serious?

Yes, there is such thing as racism.
Racism is killing someone simply because of their color and no other reason.
Racism is intimidating someone merely because it has been propagated that their race is weaker than yours.

Racism is NOT saying "hey, this group of people commits well over half of the crimes in our nation. Shouldn't we do something about it?"

So, is Ron Paul racist, or does he just want to do something about all of America's problems?

I realize all of this is falling of deaf ears, but before you can seriously think of yourself as someone educated enough about these issues to put your bid in, you need to open up to the possibility that ANY argument may be correct. Not just the popular one.

 

[cubin']

So when someone prints a newsletter trying to tell everyone in a very educated way that he believes we should do something about the very high percentage that blacks contribute to our crime rate, about the mass of people living off of our taxes through welfare and other government sanctioned hand-outs, and that we shouldn't "tip-toe" around illegal immigrants and those that enable them, he's suddenly a racist?

Are you serious?

What does he propose to stop the blacks causing such a high percentage of Americas crime?

I'm not going to bother arguing with you I'm just wondering how he plans to solve these problems you put forward.


BTW: Just to clarify.

rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


Ron Paul just sounds like a huge step backwards (I don't know much about him I'll admit) Anti-abortion, stem cells and gay marriage is ridiculous and that's enough to tell me he wouldn't make a good president.

 

[Playset6199]

Oh lawd.
The testing area really is just rehashed /b/.

 

[nephdj]

He reminds me of Lenin, he has support because people want change... but I believe his views after he got in, wouldnt be of the people

 

[Playset6199]

The funny thing is that TV, movies, music, and even our own schools have distorted our view of what racism really is.

They all pound the thought that the idea of being proud of being white and being American is bad, yet being proud of being any other race is a cause for celebration, and even acceptable arguement to cause crimes and riots in some cases.

So when someone prints a newsletter trying to tell everyone in a very educated way that he believes we should do something about the very high percentage that blacks contribute to our crime rate, about the mass of people living off of our taxes through welfare and other government sanctioned hand-outs, and that we shouldn't "tip-toe" around illegal immigrants and those that enable them, he's suddenly a racist?

Are you serious?

Yes, there is such thing as racism.
Racism is killing someone simply because of their color and no other reason.
Racism is intimidating someone merely because it has been propagated that their race is weaker than yours.

Racism is NOT saying "hey, this group of people commits well over half of the crimes in our nation. Shouldn't we do something about it?"

So, is Ron Paul racist, or does he just want to do something about all of America's problems?

I realize all of this is falling of deaf ears, but before you can seriously think of yourself as someone educated enough about these issues to put your bid in, you need to open up to the possibility that ANY argument may be correct. Not just the popular one.

This post pretty much sums up my opinion.
I often get criticized for making statements such as those above, I get called racist for stating the facts.
I one group is comitting most of the crimes, then there is a problem.

inb4 double post, this is testing area.

 

[cubin']

The funny thing is that TV, movies, music, and even our own schools have distorted our view of what racism really is.

They all pound the thought that the idea of being proud of being white and being American is bad, yet being proud of being any other race is a cause for celebration, and even acceptable arguement to cause crimes and riots in some cases.

So when someone prints a newsletter trying to tell everyone in a very educated way that he believes we should do something about the very high percentage that blacks contribute to our crime rate, about the mass of people living off of our taxes through welfare and other government sanctioned hand-outs, and that we shouldn't "tip-toe" around illegal immigrants and those that enable them, he's suddenly a racist?

Are you serious?

Yes, there is such thing as racism.
Racism is killing someone simply because of their color and no other reason.
Racism is intimidating someone merely because it has been propagated that their race is weaker than yours.

Racism is NOT saying "hey, this group of people commits well over half of the crimes in our nation. Shouldn't we do something about it?"

So, is Ron Paul racist, or does he just want to do something about all of America's problems?

I realize all of this is falling of deaf ears, but before you can seriously think of yourself as someone educated enough about these issues to put your bid in, you need to open up to the possibility that ANY argument may be correct. Not just the popular one.


This post pretty much sums up my opinion.
I often get criticized for making statements such as those above, I get called racist for stating the facts.
I one group is comitting most of the crimes, then there is a problem.

inb4 double post, this is testing area.

People that came from abusive families also have a higher rate of crime than average.

But what do you guys think they should do about it? I've never heard of any proper solutions to the problems DeVante mentioned. Yes black people have a higher rate of crime than average but how do you plan on fixing it?

 

[Playset6199]

I have no idea how one would fix this, I just think it needs to be acknowledged.
Governments, not just the US government (the NZ government is just as bad, if not worse), are too caught up in being politically correct to acknowledge that minority groups (Blacks in the US, Maoris here in NZ etc.) have a far higher rate of crime.

Please, don't read this post and think I'm racist, I believe in equality for all races.

 

[Devante]

Well, cubin, what would you do with someone that is 75% likely to cause a major crime if that person wasn't necessarily from this country?

Do you know what the government does with political visitors from other countries that have immunity after they commit a crime in our contry?
They send them back to their own country.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Cubin' is easily one of the most sensible posters in this topic and is spot-on.


I think you people misunderstand what racism is. You don't have to kill someone to be a racist. Please take a minute to acknowledge the definition Cubin' posted.
Here are some Ron Paul quotes. These are very real and if you google his name along with the words "racism" or "racist remarks" you will find plenty more:

"our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin."
(This is racism if you weren't sure.)

"I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."
(Stereotyping and racist)

"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."
(Apparently ALL black people are fast too)

"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."
(So, only 5% of black people are sensible too...hmm, is this racist?)

"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such. "
(Oh yeah, definitely a 13 year who was "raised on the street" definitely has the mindset and decision making techniques of an educated adult as long as it's a black 13 year old ....

)

One of his biggest supporters is stormfront.org which is a white supremacy group. You know the groups that go around teching their children to hate other races that aren't white. But it's funny because Ron Paul says;

"The criminals who terrorize our cities -- in riots and on every non-riot day--are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to "fight the power," and to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible. Anything is justified against "The Man." And "The Woman." A lady I know recently saw a black couple in the supermarket with a cute little girl, three years old or so. My friend waved to the tiny child, who scowled, stuck out her tongue, and said (somewhat tautologically): "I hate you, white honkey." And the parents were indulgent. Is any white child taught to hate in this way? I've never heard of it."
(Pretty sure it's racist to say that only black people are racist)


And you can't use the "white pride" arguement, that it's ok to be proud of your race. It's dumb to be proud of something you have no control over. If you got on the deans list in college you can be proud, hell, if you went to college at all you should be proud. If you work a job that makes you feel good and supports you and your family you should be proud.
You should not be proud because you just happened to enter the world a certain color. You had nothing to do with that.
I'm going to stop here. I'm passionate about this because I'm passionate about having a better future for our children. And men like this won't make it happen.

 

[Taras]

It's funny. People who harp on about US racism when they come from a country that turns away boatloads of Indonesian Asylum Seekers.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WD..._22/ai_80339065

 

[cubin']

It's funny. People who harp on about US racism when they come from a country that turns away boatloads of Indonesian Asylum Seekers.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WD..._22/ai_80339065

Never harped on about it mate. Never even implied anyone was racist.

I simply asked what Ron Paul's plan is to deal with the crime that blacks commit and no one has been able to tell me. Pointing out certain things can be helpful but if you don't even have a plan to deal with it it's not much use.

Yeah Australia has turned away plenty of illegal immigrants...I don't think it's right but I'm not the government, I don't make those decisions.

 

[Taras]

It's funny. People who harp on about US racism when they come from a country that turns away boatloads of Indonesian Asylum Seekers.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WD..._22/ai_80339065


I simply asked what Ron Paul's plan is to deal with the crime that blacks commit and no one has been able to tell me.

Fair enough. And an interesting question. It's one that no one knows how to answer, including Dr. Paul. Fortunately the black community is owning up and saying this is up to them to resolve. Nobody can force them.

I personally think those comments are out of context or outright fabrications, because some powerful people want to stymie his chances.

Like the kids here screaming about abortion. It's a red herring. The president can't ban abortion. He can appoint justices (one every several years, usually) and they can visit the issue, but since Roe Vs. Wade, it's so ingrained in American life it will always be legal. Only some vocal nutcase fundies are for banning it. So arguing about it is pointless and it's certainly no reason to blacklist a candidate who is trying to keep our collective nutsack out of the fire.





Oh, and to the Hillary supporters: She voted for the war as a senator. That's inexcusible. And her loyalties were outright purchased by the Pharmaceudical industry which she used to ostensibly fight against. See Moore's Sicko for reference. Besides, she got pounded in Iowa and talk is that she will drop out.

 

[Mangofett]

We need a liberal ruler, not this conservative shit.

Abortion + Stem Cell Research + Gay Marriage shouldn't be opposed.

We also don't need racist rulers.


You're not in Eastern Europe anymore. We have elected representation here, not rulers.

No matter how much you sugarcoat it, they're rulers in the end

 

[iritegood]

The funny thing is that TV, movies, music, and even our own schools have distorted our view of what racism really is.

They all pound the thought that the idea of being proud of being white and being American is bad, yet being proud of being any other race is a cause for celebration, and even acceptable arguement to cause crimes and riots in some cases.

So when someone prints a newsletter trying to tell everyone in a very educated way that he believes we should do something about the very high percentage that blacks contribute to our crime rate, about the mass of people living off of our taxes through welfare and other government sanctioned hand-outs, and that we shouldn't "tip-toe" around illegal immigrants and those that enable them, he's suddenly a racist?

Are you serious?

Yes, there is such thing as racism.
Racism is killing someone simply because of their color and no other reason.
Racism is intimidating someone merely because it has been propagated that their race is weaker than yours.

Racism is NOT saying "hey, this group of people commits well over half of the crimes in our nation. Shouldn't we do something about it?"

So, is Ron Paul racist, or does he just want to do something about all of America's problems?

I realize all of this is falling of deaf ears, but before you can seriously think of yourself as someone educated enough about these issues to put your bid in, you need to open up to the possibility that ANY argument may be correct. Not just the popular one.


This post pretty much sums up my opinion.
I often get criticized for making statements such as those above, I get called racist for stating the facts.
I one group is comitting most of the crimes, then there is a problem.

inb4 double post, this is testing area.



You aren't racist for stating facts. You're racist for judging people as if their ethnicity or nationality affects their decisions.

QUOTE

So, is Ron Paul racist, or does he just want to do something about all of America's problems?

All of America's problems? That sure sounds unbiased and not a generalization.

People who accuse everyone of racism are really annoying. But people who ignore and try to justify racism, they're much worse.

 

[Taras]

No matter how much you sugarcoat it, they're rulers in the end

If American's didn't have guns, then that statement would be true.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

No matter how much you sugarcoat it, they're rulers in the end


If American's didn't have guns, then that statement would be true.

Probably the most naive thing I've ever heard. Americans get the guns ther government let's them have. All of Americas shotguns and assault rifles combined aren't going to stand up to tanks and specially trained mercenaries.

 

[Taras]

Americans get the guns ther government let's them have.


Oh do explain please, I'm dying to hear what you mean by this.

All of Americas shotguns and assault rifles combined aren't going to stand up to tanks and specially trained mercenaries.

Um, the lightly armed Iraqi insurgents have fought the US and Company to a standstill last time I checked (And the Brits just withdrew saying something about 'well now some streets in the green zone are perfectly safe'). And the Lebanese disproved the myth of unbeatable IDF last year just by standing straight.

 

[Devante]

Yes, you can google the words "Ron Paul" and "racism" and obviously get only hits that say what an evil bastard he is while posting random and even reworded or flat out made up quotes to paint him as a bad guy.

However, taking what they say as law is just as bad as being a "big bad racist".

The argument isn't so much that it's proud to be white, but that it should be ACCEPTABLE to be proud to be white. And if that is reprehensible, then it should be both ways.

However, we live in a time where it's OK to wear black pride on your clothes, in your music, in your marches, in your national holidays, even in your laws, but the moment someone merely mentions something that is pro-white - even if it can be statistically proven - then you are labelled racist. And that word makes you outcast.

This is the problem Ron Paul tries to enlighten us all of.
Obviously not the only problem, but this is just one example of how hypocrisy causes us not to listen to the people we should listen to, even if we don't agree with them.

The funny thing is, out of all the ideals he proposes that could be considered wrong (ie. stem cell, abortion, etc) the main and seemingly only argument that everyone uses against him is that he's a racist.

By the way, GonzoCorleone, saying that 95% of blacks commit crimes isn't stereotyping if it's fact, is it?
(maybe 95% is too high but it's not far off)

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Americans get the guns ther government let's them have.


Oh do explain please, I'm dying to hear what you mean by this.

All of Americas shotguns and assault rifles combined aren't going to stand up to tanks and specially trained mercenaries.

Um, the lightly armed Iraqi insurgents have fought the US and Company to a standstill last time I checked (And the Brits just withdrew saying something about 'well now some streets in the green zone are perfectly safe'). And the Lebanese disproved the myth of unbeatable IDF last year just by standing straight.

I mean exactly what I said. Have you never heard of gun control?

The government decides what weapons it's people, and which people, can own and how they can own them.

It varies by state so I'm not going into specifics. But if you want to educate yourself feel free:
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/



This has nothing to with Ron Paul BTW..don't know why I got suckered into your trolling

@Devante, those statements are well known from a news letter Ron Paul took part in. Not fabricated or out of context. Paul clearly says "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." When one assumes, one is not going on statistics. Therefore it is not a fact like you suggested. And 95% like you said is very high.

5% away from every single black male.

Also, I agree with the black pride thing being just as silly as the white pride thing, nowadays. But you need to think back to when black people were not allowed to drink from the same water fountains, sit in the same seats, vote, or even learn in the same classroom as white people. You can imagine this dealt quite a blow to their pride and they needed to send a message to each other that it was ok to be black in a time when it seemed like it wasn't. That's where that came from. White people didn't go through anything as big as that in America.