Romney vs. Obama

[Hyro-Sama]

LMFAO! Ron Paul? That's who you were rooting for? That racist son of a bitch is crazy and I'm glad he's no where near the Presidential seat.

Sure, pursue someone for the mistakes of the past rather than read his political programme.

http://newsone.com/1748295/top-10-racist-ron-paul-friends-supporters/

 

[LightyKD]

I'd rather stick with the same old than have some nut job like Mitt in office. At least with the same old I can retain what little rights I still have.

Fair play, it's the better candidate out of the two, but it doesn't help the U.S in its current economical predicament.

Going to be honest.
Me wanting to live a normal life >> me being pursued because I just happen to gay and not a Christian.

Also Mitt is not going to help America, he drove Massachusetts into the ground. If he plans on doing the same to America as he did to Massachusetts, I am getting the fuck out of America if he gets in office.

You're being pursued? By who? Gay police?

Drove Massachusetts into the ground? It was 50th in job creation when he took office, and 28th when he left.

http://www.factcheck...conomic-record/

You know, Catboy and I could be like those dinky Republicans and say that, "we will not let facts dictate our campaign". *giggle*

 

[Foxi4]

LMFAO! Ron Paul? That's who you were rooting for? That racist son of a bitch is crazy and I'm glad he's no where near the Presidential seat.

Sure, pursue someone for the mistakes of the past rather than read his political programme.

http://newsone.com/1...nds-supporters/

The whole "storm" around Ron Paul is a whirl in a glass of water - people pull out some 10-year old newsletters just like they pulled out Obama's birth certificate. Are you going to judge a person through the prism of his supporters or the prism of his reform plans?

 

[Hanafuda]

YES because I'm not a nationalist and I care more about the well being of ALL of Earth and not just one country

Then you have no allegiance to your nation and when you say the pledge it's a lie. You should join the peace corps.

 

[Hyro-Sama]

LMFAO! Ron Paul? That's who you were rooting for? That racist son of a bitch is crazy and I'm glad he's no where near the Presidential seat.

Sure, pursue someone for the mistakes of the past rather than read his political programme.

http://newsone.com/1...nds-supporters/

The whole "storm" around Ron Paul is a whirl in a glass of water - people pull out some 10-year old newsletters just like they pulled out Obama's birth certificate. Are you going to judge a person through the prism of his supporters or the prism of his reform plans?

I'm just throwing gasoline on the fire. Moreover, it's easy for you to support Ron Paul because you're not an American or African American for that matter.

 

[The Catboy]

I'd rather stick with the same old than have some nut job like Mitt in office. At least with the same old I can retain what little rights I still have.

Fair play, it's the better candidate out of the two, but it doesn't help the U.S in its current economical predicament.

Going to be honest.
Me wanting to live a normal life >> me being pursued because I just happen to gay and not a Christian.

Also Mitt is not going to help America, he drove Massachusetts into the ground. If he plans on doing the same to America as he did to Massachusetts, I am getting the fuck out of America if he gets in office.

You're being pursued? By who? Gay police?

Drove Massachusetts into the ground? It was 50th in job creation when he took office, and 28th when he left.

http://www.factcheck...conomic-record/

Well for starters, the man started out pro-gay, now he wants to put a national ban on gay marriage. That's just starters.
Also have you ever lived in Massachusetts? I was born and raised there for 20 year actually. The fact is, I had personally watched every job leave my town, all the towns around me and pretty much all of Western Massachusetts fell apart. How do I know this? I watched it personally. But interesting note, Eastern Massachusetts is actually doing a lot better, so maybe Eastern Massachusetts improved.

Spoiler: Not to mention the guy flip flops on every issue

 

[someonewhodied]

I'm guessing most of you think like this every 4 years:
"Which of these republicans will scare me into voting democrat this time?"

 

[LightyKD]

YES because I'm not a nationalist and I care more about the well being of ALL of Earth and not just one country

Then you have no allegiance to your nation and when you say the pledge it's a lie. You should join the peace corps.

Actually I would love to! Not sure how my wife would deal with it

 

[Foxi4]

There's always option no.3...

Return the tea you owe England and apologize, maybe they'll take you back.

 

[The Catboy]

There's always option no.3...

Return the tea you owe England and apologize, maybe they'll take you back.

Is our room still open?

 

[Foxi4]

I'm just throwing gasoline on the fire. Moreover, it's easy for you to support Ron Paul because you're not an American or African American for that matter.

I personally think that it's easy for me to support him because I'm incredibly pragmatic; I'm not concerned about his past, his family friends, his views on the world or his favourite tie - I'm concerned with his proposed reform, and on its helm the removal of American troops from war zones they are currently in to put a gauze on the part of U.S politics which bleeds the most money - military spending. I was impressed with his campaign ad about military interventions and I absolutely agree with what he said - Americans are not welcome, neither in Iraq nor in Afghanistan and should withdrawl. Fair play, Obama promised the same thing, but apparently he's not in a hurry about that. Romney on the other hand wants to increase military spending, which I find pretty silly seeing that the U.S is already a military superpower.

 

[Hyro-Sama]

I'm just throwing gasoline on the fire. Moreover, it's easy for you to support Ron Paul because you're not an American or African American for that matter.

I personally think that it's easy for me to support him because I'm incredibly pragmatic; I'm not concerned about his past, his family friends, his views on the world or his favourite tie - I'm concerned with his proposed reform, and on its helm the removal of American troops from war zones they are currently on to put a gauze on the part of U.S politics which bleeds the most money - military spending. I was impressed with his campaign ad about military interventions and I absolutely agree with what he said - Americans are not welcome, neither in Iraq nor in Afghanistan and should withdrawl. Fair play, Obama promised the same thing, but apparently he's not in a hurry about that. Romney on the other hand wants to increase military spending, which I find pretty silly seeing that the U.S is already a military superpower.

However pragmatic you may be it still doesn't change the fact that your support is still easier to give as you have no past racial traumas. (Specifically at the hands of white Americans) Anyway, I'm getting off track. It is a shame he got knocked out of the race as he's clearly a superior candidate than Romney. I think Ron Paul did himself a disservice by running as a Republican. As an independent he would have garnered more support IMO. Moreover, don't a large amount of republicans have stocks in companies that build weaponry/equipment for the military? If so, that might explain the push for bigger military spending in the Romney budget.

 

[Lacius]

That happened when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress. Their budget, but Clinton takes credit.

Actually, the budget surplus was due largely in part to the revenue increases Bill Clinton passed during his first term. These revenue increases did not receive a single Republican vote, so it's only fair that Clinton and the Democrats get all the credit.

 

[Foxi4]

However pragmatic you may be it still doesn't change the fact that your support is still easier to give as you have no past racial traumas.

Y'know... I'm Polish... Nazis didn't particularily like us... areyoufingkiddingme.jpg

Anyway, I'm getting off track. It is a shame he got knocked out of the race as he's clearly a superior candidate than Romney. I think Ron Paul did himself a disservice by running as a Republican. As an independent he would have garnered more support IMO. Moreover, don't a large amount of republicans have stocks in companies that build weaponry/equipment for the military? If so, that might explain the push for bigger military spending in the Romney budget.

True, I don't know, and true.

He is the superior candidate, and it goes without saying. Independents don't get a lot of support, again, due to the American "custom" of binarity - North vs. West, Democrats vs. Republicans, Conservatives vs. Liberals - your life is based on binary oppositions and people who are in the middle are branded "undecided" and thus untrustworthy. I personally think that a system different than a two-party one could benefit your country, but hey! That's a pretty major change, and it's not really compatible with "the American way of doing politics". As for Romney's support of agressive military politics, he voiced those even before he was a candidate - I think he actually believes that if he puts a stick into every anthill in the world, the ants will thank him for building masts in their homes... that, and his friends surely do have said shares and encourage him.

 

[Hyro-Sama]

However pragmatic you may be it still doesn't change the fact that your support is still easier to give as you have no past racial traumas.

Y'know... I'm Polish... Nazis didn't particularily like us... areyoufingkiddingme.jpg

I greatly apologize. I didn't even consider that.

 

[Foxi4]

I greatly apologize. I didn't even consider that.

Dude, don't mention it, it's no biggie.

 

[Gahars]

@[member='Foxi4']

I find Ron Paul's views to be extremely, extremely worrisome. He champions deregulation and smaller government to a degree that would only be extremely detrimental if enacted. He is a huge advocate for states' rights (a political philosophy that has lingered on after being soundly discredited in our Civil War), and would repeal important pieces of legislation like the Civil Rights Act if given the opportunity. He also opposed a Supreme Court ruling that overruled a Texas anti-sodomy law on this same basis. He believes that the states have the power to pass and enforce openly discriminator laws, and that the Federal Government has no authority to intervene on behalf of the citizens. (Ron Paul also does not accept the theory of evolution, which certainly does him no wonders in my book.)

I agree that the United States' shouldn't be so quick to send out the troops, but he takes it to an almost isolationalist extreme. Under President Obama, we have withdrawn from Iraq, and are continuing to withdraw from Afghanistan under the set timetables.

Ron Paul is a fringe candidate, further right than any other (and in this political climate, that's saying something). Nominating him, let alone electing him, would be a serious mistake.

 

[Foxi4]

I have a different opinion, Gahars. The Civil War merely underlined how different Americans are depending on the state they were brought up in. Americans moreso than any other nation differ from one another on the very base ideological levels - I'm sure you realize that. What applies in the North, doesn't necessarily apply in the South. Social norms of states are very different, and Ron merely acknowledges that. He gives the states a right to govern themselves according to their own customs rather than press them into policies with which some agree and some disagree. The United States are huge in size, and they remain undivided precisely because of state law. Too much pression from Washington only makes the crevice between opposing ideologies deepen. I don't see why you're afraid of giving the voice to the people - let the democratic majority govern themselves as originally intended. What other alternative do you have? Split?

As for his politics regarding military withdrawl, attempting to establish peace by means of diplomacy and trade isn't isolation - it's just a different way of achieving the same goal. He never said he wants to isolate the U.S, he merely wants to stop attacking every single Middle East country on the map that isn't an American ally (or "isn't anymore").

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

I find...

Of all the pro or anti Paul rhetoric I've read (and there has been quite a bit) This is the most articulate and best thought-out reply I've read. Nicely done.

Do you have thoughts to share about the libertarian and green party candidates? (Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, respectively)

 

[The Catboy]

Jill Stein

Jill Stein has my vote!
She actually has pretty much the same stance on most issues as myself
http://www.ontheissues.org/Jill_Stein.htm